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CB350/400 / Re: Head + Rocker cover torques...
« on: April 06, 2019, 12:37:30 PM »
I've come back to this as it links into a question I was asked about the figures given for torque settings on manuals.
Question was "Why do the torque figures range over such a larger percentage difference given that some of the tolerancing is so very very fine and precise?" I couldn't answer this with credible logic.
Now, if we apply it to these bolts only, 7 to 9lb per foot, has the top figure something in the order of 9 being 33% increase on the 7lb setting!
If you add in "marketer's" psychology of giving a price range, the middle one being what you sell most of, the lower figure to make the middle purchasers feel they've got something a little bit better for their informed choice, and the highest cost, is just pure additional margin for those foolish enough to shell out for it
Comfortable we are in choosing the centre point, and it just seems so logic doesn't it. So, if you take the 8lb and work through possible errors/ potential for unquantified effects, you can get 8 + 10% torque wrench accuracy (depends which way it defaults) + 15% for grease/coppaslip change to torque measurements, you can end up with 10.1lb measured torque.
Or for those making a decision that you should use the highest torque figure, something like 11.4lb
It's easy to see why they are often stripped. Also why they gave us just screws on many of the covers on these engines so that generally people can't load too much torque onto them with just a screwdriver.
If you look at the joint on these cam covers, they are metal to metal with no gasket to compress (once touching with the o-ring compressed) so have no yeald built into the torque interface.
If you had to specify it, once the casting faces touch, then you'd only need something like 2 to 3lb of torque to prevent the bolt backing out in use. So a safety margin of double that, 6lb, would be a good set point to make sure they reliably exceeded a practical minimum during engine use.
Then if you set your torque wrench to 5lb, lubricated the threads ONLY, made sure the underside of the bolt head was clear of lubricant, along with the casting face. You should get a true torque of between 4.5lb (if torque wrench was 10%error in minus) to 6.3lb with all errors maximised to plus figures in above illustrations.
This would minimise potential of stripping them, and make sure they don't release in use.
Question was "Why do the torque figures range over such a larger percentage difference given that some of the tolerancing is so very very fine and precise?" I couldn't answer this with credible logic.
Now, if we apply it to these bolts only, 7 to 9lb per foot, has the top figure something in the order of 9 being 33% increase on the 7lb setting!
If you add in "marketer's" psychology of giving a price range, the middle one being what you sell most of, the lower figure to make the middle purchasers feel they've got something a little bit better for their informed choice, and the highest cost, is just pure additional margin for those foolish enough to shell out for it
Comfortable we are in choosing the centre point, and it just seems so logic doesn't it. So, if you take the 8lb and work through possible errors/ potential for unquantified effects, you can get 8 + 10% torque wrench accuracy (depends which way it defaults) + 15% for grease/coppaslip change to torque measurements, you can end up with 10.1lb measured torque.
Or for those making a decision that you should use the highest torque figure, something like 11.4lb
It's easy to see why they are often stripped. Also why they gave us just screws on many of the covers on these engines so that generally people can't load too much torque onto them with just a screwdriver.
If you look at the joint on these cam covers, they are metal to metal with no gasket to compress (once touching with the o-ring compressed) so have no yeald built into the torque interface.
If you had to specify it, once the casting faces touch, then you'd only need something like 2 to 3lb of torque to prevent the bolt backing out in use. So a safety margin of double that, 6lb, would be a good set point to make sure they reliably exceeded a practical minimum during engine use.
Then if you set your torque wrench to 5lb, lubricated the threads ONLY, made sure the underside of the bolt head was clear of lubricant, along with the casting face. You should get a true torque of between 4.5lb (if torque wrench was 10%error in minus) to 6.3lb with all errors maximised to plus figures in above illustrations.
This would minimise potential of stripping them, and make sure they don't release in use.