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Title: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: JonnyB on November 07, 2020, 07:51:04 PM
I cant' get no ....
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Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: robvangulik on November 07, 2020, 09:17:54 PM
Okay, if you like it sorted on colour, I'd rather do it on form, flat, round, rings etc.
Much more important, in my eyes ;) ;)
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: JonnyB on November 07, 2020, 09:20:21 PM
If I was a fisherman....
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: Greg65 on November 08, 2020, 07:15:19 AM
Oh no is it time to reorganise the spice rack again!
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: royhall on November 08, 2020, 08:46:31 AM
Could have saved the work. All the pre insulated ones I would have chucked in the bin. They are responsible for more electrical problems than anything else I know.
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: ka-ja on November 08, 2020, 09:34:27 AM
Different colour different size, and good quality insulated ones are widespread in industry.
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: JonnyB on November 08, 2020, 09:51:43 AM
Could have saved the work. All the pre insulated ones I would have chucked in the bin. They are responsible for more electrical problems than anything else I know.

Funny you should say that. I have a load of non insulated coming Monday for. wiring job on the GS. But I was looking for something else and got side tracked
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: royhall on November 08, 2020, 10:05:19 AM
Could have saved the work. All the pre insulated ones I would have chucked in the bin. They are responsible for more electrical problems than anything else I know.

Funny you should say that. I have a load of non insulated coming Monday for. wiring job on the GS. But I was looking for something else and got side tracked
Nice one, that's the way to go. If you have very expensive machine tools for crimping then fine, with a hand held crimper uninsulated is the way every time. And don't even get me started on the Scotchlocks. ;D
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: ka-ja on November 08, 2020, 10:36:43 AM
You simply need the correct crimping tool for insulated crimps, in my working life, I must have crimped 100's of thousands of terminals on to wiring installs with virtually no failed fittings, it is merely correct tools for the job, a bit like JIS screwdrivers for JIS screws
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: Bryanj on November 08, 2020, 10:44:06 AM
Ripaults/Arkells 3000 crimpers(long obsolete but come up on fleabay) do insulated, uninsulated and the multiblock fold over crimps
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: royhall on November 08, 2020, 12:26:34 PM
I don't want to start an augument over it but I have spent a working life accidentally pulling wires out of these types of crimps over and over, and not just bikes and cars. They have caused more electrical problems for me than anything simply because nobody has the correct tools for them. They are usually crimped with side cutters, or those nasty little tools that come in the cheap kits. Bad. In my line of work I don't know a single person that has a good word to say about them. Even Ralph McFerrand in the bike mag slated them to death a few months back.
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: SumpMagnet on November 08, 2020, 12:42:45 PM
With the RIGHT crimping tool, great results are possible. They also avoind an inflexible stress point which soldering doesn't.

As mentioned above, though, the majority of crimped connections I have come across were done with a cheap crimping tool, or no tool at all using cheap connectors where the insulators don't stay put. Then you get the ones where the insulated part of the wire was pushed too far into the crimp, and the only electrical connection is the random contact of the frayed ends.

Crimp connections are not the problem.....it's all down to how they get used. Frequently.....badly!
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: royhall on November 08, 2020, 12:44:58 PM
I could not agree more.
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: Bryanj on November 08, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
Those boxes just aint big enough
my insulated boxes are shown in attachment, the japanese ones,relays,fuse etc are in another yellow box and the multipin in another red
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 08, 2020, 02:52:08 PM
I used to be a solder fan for decades but about 30 years ago I discovered the benefits of a purpose made (not cheap) mains cable crimping tool followed more recently by a 6mm HT lead  crimping tool plus a crimping tool for Freesat cables.

I'm a believer now.lol


Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: Lobo on November 08, 2020, 10:36:09 PM
..I’m with Roy. Wherever I see these type of crimp connectors (and wretched Scotch type) I bloody sigh and just cut them off / re terminate the wire with quality crimps..... because in all my experience they are just trouble.
Before this thread I honestly didn’t know that you could actually crimp these connectors reliably .... you live and learn.

(But I won’t be changing, even if can be crimped ok they kinda look very DIY & naff!)
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: bobv7 on November 08, 2020, 11:10:27 PM
Have to agree with the above. Always get the impression, wrongly or rightly, that the wiring has been hacked about and this raises the question of maybe other less obvious horrors. :o
Title: Re: Clearly the rolling stones did not understand statisfaction
Post by: royhall on November 09, 2020, 07:05:55 AM
The main problem with them is that even if the crimp is good you can't tell so every connector is a gamble. Even with uninsulated crimps and the correct tool you still get the odd bad one but you can see it and do it again. Each to there own but from my experience those things are trouble.
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