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Yeah, might be chasing windmills here...but my 400's brakes have to be noticeably better than they are right now to ride routinely and safely on normal roads with typical traffic/situations. 

I'll advise if I find any improvement with either of the different pads.

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In doing further research, I found an instance where an owner of a couple of 400s noted that one had poor brakes while the other is OK.  Both were OEM but there was no info re if they had different type of pads, etc.  So maybe one was adjusted better/had more aggressive pads.

I have ordered two sets of pads - a sintered set and an organic set.  I don't know what type/brand is in the bike at the moment but they have a different color backing plate to either of the two I have ordered so it's probably different than either of the pads I purchased.  I am thinking that if different pads don't improve performance, I am going to purchase a Brembo MC with a 12mm piston and, assuming it makes the huge difference I expect, regretfully adopt the non-OEM look.

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Ah, OK!  Thanks!!!  Makes perfect and obvious sense and I clearly misunderstood how it works.  In my (rather thin) defense, we are in Italy on holiday at the moment and I was picturing the brake in my mind as opposed to looking at/examining its function it on the bike!    Also, this is the first such brake (without opposing pistons) I have ever worked on though I apparently had them on several bikes years ago - Honda CB550, CB750.  But I never worked on those brakes or felt that they were inadequate.


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Had a revelation in the middle of the night re the brakes...(note that a "revelation" for me might be common knowledge to everyone else...)

It seem to me that by design the front brake is only half of a brake.  The fixed pad cannot move and it does not touch the brake rotor if properly adjusted.  SO...when the front brake is actuated, the piston moves ONE brake pad against one side of the rotor.  It is the ONLY brake pad applying pressure to the rotor until your hand applies enough pressure for that pad to warp/bend the rotor far enough to engage the fixed pad.  Frankly, this makes no sense to me, the rotor has to literally be bent into contact with the opposing pad before pressure is applied to both sides of the rotor.

Without a floating rotor, I don't see how such a brake can work effectively under any conditions.  It seems to me that the only way to get a GOOD front brake is to either have a floating rotor with the current caliper or a replacement dual piston caliper. 

Or am I missing something obvious here about the brake construction/operation?

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CB350/400 / Ignition timing/E10
« on: July 24, 2023, 01:57:59 PM »
I apologize for being new here, asking a bunch of questions but I DO try to search first and didn't find anything specific re this...

My 1973 Norton Commando is more energetic on 10% ethanol with a few degrees of advance beyond the OEM setting.  To be specific, the Commando spec is 28 degrees of total advance but it clearly runs better with no pinking/knocking under load with 32 degrees total advance.

Has anyone done any fooling around with timing changes on the 400/E10 vs the OEM setting based on "old" style petrol? 




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OK!  So if I understand correctly, the mid '90s CBR 600 MC will work with the OEM caliper/rotor on a 1976 CB400 four.   Right?

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Ah! OK...  I'm working/hoping to get adequate performance from the OEM but am wanting alternatives in case I can't get sufficient performance. 

FWIW, my CB400 is going to be my normal rider, not a weekend or "special event" bike.  Therefore, as much as I would like to retain the OEM gear/appearance, It's less important than being able to STOP.


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"Sorted mine with a 93-95 cbr600 master cylinder and different levers to match, braided lines and new pads. Stops on it nose now and plenty of feel"

Interesting!  Will the CBR master fit without any mods to the OEM CB400 switchgear or does different switchgear have to be used? 

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CB350/400 / Re: Won't return to idle/slight oil seep...
« on: July 23, 2023, 04:21:04 PM »
The not-returning-to-idle seems to have been caused by the high-idle stop being out of adjustment!  The manual calls for .012"/.3mm clearance and there was none. It was holding the throttle slightly open which got worse as the engine heated up.  I adjusted the clearance per the Honda specs and, once the engine was good and warm - which takes more time than I would have thought - I adjusted the idle stop screw to 1200 RPM.  From that point on the engine returned to that RPM when the twist grip was returned to the idle position.  But the idle is a bit rough and the engine still bogs when opening the throttle quickly. 

further re the bog - I haven't found any info in the Honda service manual or a Clymers that mentions changing the position of the needle to adjust the mixture in the range the needle controls.  I'm NOT saying there isn't any info, just that I haven't found it.  I'd think that raising the needle might reduce/eliminate the bog.   Any thoughts/experience re this?

I'm definitely going to pull the carbs/check/adjust everything out but we're going out of town on Tuesday for a week so that will wait until we return. 


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CB350/400 / Re: Won't return to idle/slight oil seep...
« on: July 23, 2023, 09:14:21 AM »
Good info, thanks!  Today I'm going to check the fact idle/choke linkage and throttle cable adjustment.  Regarding adjusting the carb airscrews...is there any reason to re-install the four black plastic airscrew limiters that were on the carbs?  I don't really see any need for them now.

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CB350/400 / Re: Won't return to idle/slight oil seep...
« on: July 22, 2023, 01:02:54 PM »
Thanks guys for offers to assist: I really appreciate it!

 I did a bit of checking this morning.  The timing per strobe is dead on and the advance mechanism is working correctly.  I futzed around a bit with the airscrews/idle speed adjustment and managed to make a bit of improvement.  It didn't hang up at high RPM when revved up/back to idle but since it was raining I didn't care to go out to see how it acted on the road.  If it's dry tomorrow I'll do that and, if no change, pull the tank/examine the various linkage/cable settings/adjustments.  I'll check the valve clearances as well.

Again, thanks!

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CB350/400 / Re: Won't return to idle/slight oil seep...
« on: July 22, 2023, 10:31:22 AM »
Thanks!  I'll check to verify where the oil is seeping from.  We live in Bath.

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CB350/400 / Won't return to idle/slight oil seep...
« on: July 22, 2023, 09:55:34 AM »
My new to me CB400 does the "won't return to idle" thing.  I noticed this the first time I rode it.  It will idle OK after starting/warmed up but when out riding, it will hang at 2500+ RPM.  Blipping the throttle doesn't help.  I have found extensive posts here re that issue so I'm going work my way through the suggestions/opinions.

 I had a Norton Commando that did the same thing and it turned out the mechanical advance weights were sticking in the advanced position when the throttle was reduced to the idle position.  So I'll check it with a strobe light and verify that the weights are functioning properly.

I don't know if the carbs were worked on previously.  There are receipts and mechanic's notes for an engine rebuild but no mention of carbs and no parts receipts for carb parts.  So I need to at least check them for proper linkage adjustment, etc.  Also will check sync though when it is idling at 1200 RPM after start up, it runs smoothly so I'm thinking the sync is reasonably close.  Popping the throttle open when running down the road at say, 3000 RPM will result in a major bog; opening the throttle less aggressively it pulls well.  I should go through the carbs I guess but if I can sort out the not-returning-to idle with external adjustments, I'll delay that..

Also noted a seep from the oil pan gasket.  I checked and all bolts were all adequately/evenly tight so seems like a new gasket is in order. 

A problem I have for mechanic work is that our bikes and car are in an apartment building multi-car garage.  So there is no workbench or electricity and everything I do has to be contained within the parking slot which also contains our MiniCooper and two other motorcycles.  Obviously, things like the carbs can be removed and worked on indoors but much care has to be taken with any operation that might end up with oil or fuel being spilled on the community garage floor.  Replacing that oil pan gasket might be tricky under the circumstances... :(

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"In fact if you want aggressive street riding, along with aggressive riding along narrow country roads, I hope we never meet."

 Sorry to hear that.  I'll have my people talk to your people and cancel any plans for a get-together.   

I'm definitely going to look into improving the brakes and, as I said, it wouldn't bother me to install a different master cylinder but going along with what David said, I owned other Honda 4s of that era and don't recall their brakes ever causing me concern.  I'm NOT saying they were up to modern standards but they never scared me.  Yesterday this front brake did!  Admittedly, today, a bit less so.  ;)

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Just got back from checking things out and then going for a quick ride.  Brake caliper works properly - piston moves in/out smoothly, fixed-pad swingarm was correctly adjusted, I hadn't looked but turns out the brake lines are new and the pads appear to be as well.  Don't know what brand they are.

Interestingly, the brakes seemed to improve a bit after some repeated heavy braking from around 85 MPH (indicated).  After doing that, they seemed to react a LITTLE bit better.  Or maybe I'm already getting used to them.  ;)  Definitely a fun bike to ride and I was pleasantly  surprised with the engine response as the tach passes 6k RPM, heading for red line!   :)




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