Post by: sprinta on November 26, 2021, 05:23:52 PM
1. I note that they only seem to accept payment in Yen, $'s and Euro's and not in £'s, is that the case?
2. I assume that you will have to pay UK 20% VAT and a customs duty, if so do Yamiya collect that or do I you have to pay for that in the UK before it is delivered and if so what sort of custom duty do you have to pay over and above the VAT?
3. They give a packed weight of around 20Kg with a delivery cost on near the £200 mark, Och!!!!!!!!!! Even with the packaging added 20Kg seems a very high delivery weight. Is that what others have had to pay?
Thanks
Andy
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 26, 2021, 05:34:42 PM
No, you can't pay in £ GBP, we always pay in Euro.
Any Duties and extra delivery costs, ie, hijack fee from UPS/ FEDEX / etc, can be paid on line. The courier (handling company) send you a chitty through the post and you pay it on line. The handling company collect on behalf of HMRC. The courier will not release goods until bill is paid.
VAT, I haven't got a clue about at the moment. I order from Yamiya every month but keep under the thresholds.
20kg is taking into account not just the weight but its a HUGE box that it's sent in, so dimensions also come into play.
If I think of anything else, I'll let you know.
PS. The exchange rate from Yen to Euro is appalling today, I did a Yamiya order this morning.
Edit... Just looking at the Yamyia invoice from last month, we get charged and pay 10% VAT at time of purchase. 10% being the VAT rate in Japan.
Edit.... If you send them an email and ask questions, the person that answers understands English very well.
Post by: SumpMagnet on November 26, 2021, 07:33:36 PM
Post by: Bryanj on November 26, 2021, 08:57:15 PM
3% import duty
Add up cost+carriage+import duty then total is subject to 20% vat( yes you pay tax on the tax)
Couriers then charge a "fee" for collecting the money, Post office £8, Parcelfarce £11, ups/fedex i think were about £16
Post by: Menno on November 27, 2021, 12:18:53 AM
Post by: sprinta on November 27, 2021, 04:48:28 PM
I can answer some of those questions.
No, you can't pay in £ GBP, we always pay in Euro.
Any Duties and extra delivery costs, ie, hijack fee from UPS/ FEDEX / etc, can be paid on line. The courier (handling company) send you a chitty through the post and you pay it on line. The handling company collect on behalf of HMRC. The courier will not release goods until bill is paid.
VAT, I haven't got a clue about at the moment. I order from Yamiya every month but keep under the thresholds.
20kg is taking into account not just the weight but its a HUGE box that it's sent in, so dimensions also come into play.
If I think of anything else, I'll let you know.
PS. The exchange rate from Yen to Euro is appalling today, I did a Yamiya order this morning.
Edit... Just looking at the Yamyia invoice from last month, we get charged and pay 10% VAT at time of purchase. 10% being the VAT rate in Japan.
Edit.... If you send them an email and ask questions, the person that answers understands English very well.
Thank for the clarification Julie.
The actual VAT to be paid is still a bit of a mystry as the prices in Yen on the Yamyia site includes their 10% VAT which drop out or an overseas order. Also paying in Euros leaves you at the mercy of the exchange rate that the CC company use, which is usually much worse than the normal rate?
You say you pay the 10% VAT Japan rate at time of purchase but your orders are below the thresholds, what is the threshold?
Post by: sprinta on November 27, 2021, 04:50:44 PM
I assume they are sending stuff airmail, ratyher than surface...and usually those are charged volumetric weights. Space is limited, so that would push up the cost of postage fopr something like that. But....on the flip side....would you want that lovely new tank and sidepanel set to spend a couple of months in a container sailing halfway round the world.....
Clearly I want to receive the parts in good order, but over £200 to post a tank seems way over the top!
Post by: sprinta on November 27, 2021, 04:51:31 PM
So.. what kind of tankset are you looking for? I have one in stock...
Looking for a Planet Blue set
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 27, 2021, 05:05:09 PM
£135.I can answer some of those questions.
No, you can't pay in £ GBP, we always pay in Euro.
Any Duties and extra delivery costs, ie, hijack fee from UPS/ FEDEX / etc, can be paid on line. The courier (handling company) send you a chitty through the post and you pay it on line. The handling company collect on behalf of HMRC. The courier will not release goods until bill is paid.
VAT, I haven't got a clue about at the moment. I order from Yamiya every month but keep under the thresholds.
20kg is taking into account not just the weight but its a HUGE box that it's sent in, so dimensions also come into play.
If I think of anything else, I'll let you know.
PS. The exchange rate from Yen to Euro is appalling today, I did a Yamiya order this morning.
Edit... Just looking at the Yamyia invoice from last month, we get charged and pay 10% VAT at time of purchase. 10% being the VAT rate in Japan.
Edit.... If you send them an email and ask questions, the person that answers understands English very well.
Thank for the clarification Julie.
The actual VAT to be paid is still a bit of a mystry as the prices in Yen on the Yamyia site includes their 10% VAT which drop out or an overseas order. Also paying in Euros leaves you at the mercy of the exchange rate that the CC company use, which is usually much worse than the normal rate?
You say you pay the 10% VAT Japan rate at time of purchase but your orders are below the thresholds, what is the threshold?
Its all explained here:-
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad
Post by: sprinta on November 27, 2021, 05:14:25 PM
Unfortunately a tank and side panel set takes it a bit of that threshold.
Post by: Nurse Julie on November 27, 2021, 05:31:51 PM
Thanks Julie.Indeed it does. Yamiya haven't had a K2 tank set in planet blue for about 6 months now, are they back in stock?. I know they have a K5 set in stock but that's the wrong decals for the K2.
Unfortunately a tank and side panel set takes it a bit of that threshold.
Post by: sprinta on November 28, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
Thanks Julie.Indeed it does. Yamiya haven't had a K2 tank set in planet blue for about 6 months now, are they back in stock?. I know they have a K5 set in stock but that's the wrong decals for the K2.
Unfortunately a tank and side panel set takes it a bit of that threshold.
Looks like I got the last one from them?
Post by: royhall on November 28, 2021, 04:56:07 PM
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Post by: sprinta on November 28, 2021, 08:20:07 PM
Can you report back on the charges you get when it's delivered please. May need a set myself. Cheers.
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Will do.
I would advise that you check with your CC company what exchange rate they are using for the various currency's as you can pay in Yen, Euro or $'s at the time of purchase as it may make a difference as to what you actually pay.
I'm hopingthat it is just 20% VAT and a nominal handing charge?
Post by: MCTID on November 29, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
Cybike are offering a 10% Discount and they sell Yamiya stuff. Might be worth calling them.
Post by: JamesH on November 29, 2021, 01:03:10 PM
I have an account with Wise (and a debit card) where you get the actual exchange rate and pay a small fee.
Last time I ordered a tank set I saved probably £30-40 in bank exchange rate fees.
You can similarly pay for stuff from Europe in Euros etc…
Worth looking at - if you do join then feel free to use the link below (yes I do get a credit if you join lol)..
https://wise.com/invite/i/jamesh587
Post by: royhall on November 29, 2021, 03:24:38 PM
Post by: royhall on November 29, 2021, 03:28:18 PM
https://www.cybike.co.uk/ (https://www.cybike.co.uk/)Couldn't find any Honda body sets on there Alan. Plenty of Z1 gear though.
Cybike are offering a 10% Discount and they sell Yamiya stuff. Might be worth calling them.
Post by: sprinta on November 29, 2021, 08:53:29 PM
Cheers James will have a look at that. Does the Yamiya tank come ready to fit with the chrome strips etc or are they extra's.
No, that is all extra and will set you back another £300 or so if you require to fully kit both the tank and side panels.
Currently they are only showing tank and side panel kits, so you will need to check if the tank is available on it own and if so at what cost.
CMS currently have tanks and side panels in stock, but it looks like you will pay as much for just the tank as you would for both the tank and side panels from Yamiya despite the high postal cost?
Post by: MCTID on November 29, 2021, 10:08:23 PM
I think Cybike only processes an order of Yamiya Tanks and Side Panels etc when there are a few sets to offset the Shipping costs.
He often 'trawls' through his Customers to see if anybody wants a set, then he asks for a Deposit (which probably covers his outgoing costs) and then makes his profit when they are landed in the UK and the residual costs are requested from his Customers.
Worth calling him....and worth mentioning on here to jog other Members that an Order may be worth them getting on board.
Good luck anyway.
Post by: sprinta on November 30, 2021, 12:21:56 PM
I regularly order from Yamiya and pay in Japanese Yen.
I have an account with Wise (and a debit card) where you get the actual exchange rate and pay a small fee.
Last time I ordered a tank set I saved probably £30-40 in bank exchange rate fees.
You can similarly pay for stuff from Europe in Euros etc…
Worth looking at - if you do join then feel free to use the link below (yes I do get a credit if you join lol)..
https://wise.com/invite/i/jamesh587
James, as you have used Yamyia before to receive tanks can you advise if you have been charged extra for delivery to the UK as Yamyia are now saying that the UK is in "UPS Extended Area" as as a result they want an additional 4000 JPY. They are now asking for 34,000 JPY, or around £225 on which I will then have to pay 20% VAT making it around £270 just for the postage for the tank which is getting a bit silly!!!!!!!!!
Can you, or anybody else who has actually had deliveries from Yamyia, please advise your/their own experience?
Post by: JamesH on November 30, 2021, 01:34:40 PM
Sadly, that is now the case and your maths are correct. Eye watering option.I regularly order from Yamiya and pay in Japanese Yen.
I have an account with Wise (and a debit card) where you get the actual exchange rate and pay a small fee.
Last time I ordered a tank set I saved probably £30-40 in bank exchange rate fees.
You can similarly pay for stuff from Europe in Euros etc…
Worth looking at - if you do join then feel free to use the link below (yes I do get a credit if you join lol)..
https://wise.com/invite/i/jamesh587
James, as you have used Yamyia before to receive tanks can you advise if you have been charged extra for delivery to the UK as Yamyia are now saying that the UK is in "UPS Extended Area" as as a result they want an additional 4000 JPY. They are now asking for 34,000 JPY, or around £225 on which I will then have to pay 20% VAT making it around £270 just for the postage for the tank which is getting a bit silly!!!!!!!!!
Can you, or anybody else who has actually had deliveries from Yamyia, please advise your/their own experience?
I have a Custom SIlver K2 (JDM colour scheme) tank and cover set here in the UK, surplus to requirements if anyone wants to buy it? https://www.yamiya750.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=246_157_271_242&products_id=2657
Post by: royhall on November 30, 2021, 02:38:43 PM
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Post by: JamesH on December 02, 2021, 01:25:44 PM
Or get it all from Menno in one hit as he often has kits for sale in stock? It may represent a best value, least hassle solution?I’m not knocking Menno’s work (which is outstanding and I’m a big advocate of his) but in all honesty, I don’t think you can better the finish of the Yamiya supplied paint sets. The quality on every single set I’ve bought from them is simply outstanding and the best I’ve seen. Just a personal opinion.
Post by: sprinta on December 02, 2021, 03:56:23 PM
I would like to hear from anybody who has actually ordered and received a tank kit from Yamiya to know what shipping cost/charges were made as the reason for the extra amount they say UPS requires keeps changing.
Post by: JamesH on December 02, 2021, 03:57:48 PM
Post by: MrDavo on December 10, 2021, 11:45:35 AM
An alternative to the body kit may be to do what I did - ordered a new replica tank and side panels from David Silver, and had them posted straight to Menno to work his magic. It worked out very well, but it was before the 'B' word that shall not be mentioned.
Post by: sprinta on December 10, 2021, 11:55:45 AM
As previously advised I ordered a tank kit and associated parts from Yamiya to which a shipping cost is added based on the total individual weights, though you are advised there may be additional shipping costs. In my case they requested an additional 3,900 JPR over and above the already high 30,000 JPN which I queried. Neither of the reasons they gave I could really see were required or necessary.
On going back and looking at the various parts order I noted that each individual part has an associated weight which is added together to create the overall shipping weight. However, when I looked at the tank moulded 'chrome' strips these has a weight of 3000g, 3Kg. This is/was clearly an error as I doubt they weigh more than 300g. The impact of this meant that my overall shipping weight jumped from around 19Kg to around 22Kg and once above 20Kg there is a fair jump in the shipping weight costs.
I did bring this to their attention, but it remains the same so be aware of this if you decide to order the tank moulded chrome strips from Yamiya.
The conclusion for me was to cancel the original order and re-order without the moulded strips, which are actually cheaper to get from DS. This shaved about £60 off the original shipping cost plus the extra VAT I would have to pay on it in the UK.
Post by: sprinta on December 10, 2021, 12:25:19 PM
The tax and postage on just a full set of shells for my CB750 from Yamiya was eye watering enough, but sometimes you have no choice these days.
An alternative to the body kit may be to do what I did - ordered a new replica tank and side panels from David Silver, and had them posted straight to Menno to work his magic. It worked out very well, but it was before the 'B' word that shall not be mentioned.
Probably before 'B' happened it may well have been the best option, as you say to have got the tank and side panels from DS and then have Memo do his magic as you would not have been exposed to any VAT and customs charges on it's return to the UK.
But having looked at all the options, CMS want around £1460 inc VAT & postage, just for a tank and panel set. The same set from Yamiya is around £926 inc shipping (depending on exchange rate at the time) plus VAT etc when it arrives in the UK which at 20% will add another £185, or so (?) or around a total of £1112, considerably cheaper than the CMS option even with the much higher sipping cost.
I don't know how that compares to shipping a new tank and side panels to Memo and if you will now have to pay VAT and any other customs cost when it returns to the UK.
Post by: sprinta on December 10, 2021, 12:28:32 PM
The tax and postage on just a full set of shells for my CB750 from Yamiya was eye watering enough, but sometimes you have no choice these days.
An alternative to the body kit may be to do what I did - ordered a new replica tank and side panels from David Silver, and had them posted straight to Menno to work his magic. It worked out very well, but it was before the 'B' word that shall not be mentioned.
Probably before 'B' happened it may well have been the best option, as you say to have got the tank and side panels from DS and then have Memo do his magic as you would not have been exposed to any VAT and customs charges on it's return to the UK?
But having looked at all the options, CMS want around £1460 inc VAT & postage, just for a tank and panel set. The same set from Yamiya is around £926 inc shipping (depending on exchange rate at the time) plus VAT etc when it arrives in the UK which at 20% will add another £185, or so (?) or around a total of £1112, considerably cheaper than the CMS option even with the much higher sipping cost.
I don't know how that compares to shipping a new tank and side panels to Memo and if you will now have to pay VAT and any other customs cost when it returns to the UK.
Post by: royhall on December 10, 2021, 02:33:24 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 10, 2021, 02:59:12 PM
Post by: sprinta on December 10, 2021, 03:06:22 PM
Even with the high shipping and import costs the Yamiya set works out a lot cheaper than CMS. However, if you have an old tank and side panels then sending them to Memo may be the best option, but I do not know what impact 'B' has had on then importing back into the UK again and if you would then have to face any import cost? Perhaps somebody who has recently gone that route since 'B' can advise?
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on December 10, 2021, 03:09:31 PM
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Post by: sprinta on December 10, 2021, 03:41:18 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 10, 2021, 07:45:47 PM
Yes the quoted shipping weight for the tank and side panel set at 18Kg does seem to be rather high and is probably not correct. However, I would expect it to be probably in a double skinned box to ensure no damage during shipping? I am afraid there is nothing you can do about that. They gave the package size as 60cm x 36cm x 49 cm.
Even with the high shipping and import costs the Yamiya set works out a lot cheaper than CMS. However, if you have an old tank and side panels then sending them to Memo may be the best option, but I do not know what impact 'B' has had on then importing back into the UK again and if you would then have to face any import cost? Perhaps somebody who has recently gone that route since 'B' can advise?
I'm sure Menno posted on here some time ago that if items are being sent over to him to put on there that the country of origin as Holland to him and the UK on the way back to you and you wont get charged. He mentioned that the bits are 40+ years old and in no way should they be charging on items of that vintage. Might be worth a message if anybody's unsure to clarify.
Post by: Menno on December 14, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
Say an old dented rusty tank and old badly repainted sidecovers are for customs easy to be seen as worthless parts.
However; returning fresh refubished parts is going to be different.
Until January 2022 it will still not be taxed but this should change 1st of January. Probably.
Problem is that if you state the packages worth on 100 euro, this is what you will get from the insurance if something happens.
And if package is checked you might get a fine.
Next problem: worth max is 999 euro because if you go over that amount you'll need to fill out 30 pages of customs declarations.
Now... no one will exactly know how much will be charged to import goods from the EU but the best guess is; it will probably the same amount one has to pay in Europe to have parcels imported in the EU.
Import tarifs on packages are aprox. 25% to 40% on the total value of the package.
That includes handling fees, charging fees and many more fees I never even knew existed.
This is the main reason nobody I know in Germany, The Netherlands or France buy stuff in the UK anymore.
In Spain I know only Diego, so maybe he can share his experiences.
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 15, 2021, 10:34:58 PM
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Post by: sprinta on December 17, 2021, 03:34:31 PM
In my case I wanted a K2 set on which my costs relate to. However, sets for the K0, K1 & K3 to K6 are price differently so you would need to use their individual costs.
The K2 set is priced at 115,000 JPY (no vat) and using 0.0067 for the exchange rate comes to around £770.50 on which you will have to pay 20% VAT on arrival in the UK giving a cost of around £924.60.
On arrival in the UK you will then have to pay a 2.7% customs duty on the original price (£770.50) of the parts ordered or around £20.80 to which 20% VAT will be added.
You will also have to pay 20% VAT on the cost of the postage and any separate insurance.
The given shipping weight for the tank set is given as 18kg with a cost of 23,100JPY or around £155 on which you will also have to pay 20% VAT.
Unfortunately it seems that you will no doubt be asked for an additional UPS shipping cost for which Yamiya are not able/willing to give any real explanation for other than it is what UPS want. In my case it was an additional 1800JPY or around £12, plus VAT.
So the additional shipping and customs cost on arrival for this example was around £226 inc VAT.
Then the final insult is that UPS then charge £11.20 handling charge.
So the total cost delivered for a K2 tank and panel set will be around £1162 (assuming I have got my maths right?)
The actual weight of the box on arrival was measured at just under 9Kg and not the 19Kg used and charged for. However, you will find that it is the size, volume, that actually dictates the price as when I did a UPS shipping cost from Japan to UK using the size there was no change in the price between 9Kg or 19Kg.
So how does this compare? Firstly remember I have use a K2 tank set and that other tank sets will have different prices, though the shipping weights and cost should be similar?
1. The same tank set from CMS will set you back £1455 inc p&p and VAT, but there may be some other custom cost to pay, so considerably cheaper from Yamiya despite the high postal cost.
2. A new tank in primer from DS is £360 inc VAT and a pair of side panels around £80 inc VAT or around £440 inc plus postage. You will then have the cost of the paint at £? together with any additional shipping or customs cost if done aboard?
Clearly if you have a good tank and side panels the best way is to simply just get them re-painted, but if like me you needed both then the Yamiya route has been the most cost effective way.
Post by: JamesH on December 17, 2021, 03:39:16 PM
Received my tank and panel set from Yamiya today, so I can give you an update on the overall costs which may assist others trying to decide which route to go?
In my case I wanted a K2 set on which my costs relate to. However, sets for the K0, K1 & K3 to K6 are price differently so you would need to use their individual costs.
The K2 set is priced at 115,000 JPY (no vat) and using 0.0067 for the exchange rate comes to around £770.50 on which you will have to pay 20% VAT on arrival in the UK giving a cost of around £924.60.
On arrival in the UK you will then have to pay a 2.7% customs duty on the original price (£770.50) of the parts ordered or around £20.80 to which 20% VAT will be added.
You will also have to pay 20% VAT on the cost of the postage and any separate insurance.
The given shipping weight for the tank set is given as 18kg with a cost of 23,100JPY or around £155 on which you will also have to pay 20% VAT.
Unfortunately it seems that you will no doubt be asked for an additional UPS shipping cost for which Yamiya are not able/willing to give any real explanation for other than it is what UPS want. In my case it was an additional 1800JPY or around £12, plus VAT.
So the additional shipping and customs cost on arrival for this example was around £226 inc VAT.
Then the final insult is that UPS then charge £11.20 handling charge.
So the total cost delivered for a K2 tank and panel set will be around £1162 (assuming I have got my maths right?)
The actual weight of the box on arrival was measured at just under 9Kg and not the 19Kg used and charged for. However, you will find that it is the size, volume, that actually dictates the price as when I did a UPS shipping cost from Japan to UK using the size there was no change in the price between 9Kg or 19Kg.
So how does this compare? Firstly remember I have use a K2 tank set and that other tank sets will have different prices, though the shipping weights and cost should be similar?
1. The same tank set from CMS will set you back £1455 inc p&p and VAT, but there may be some other custom cost to pay, so considerably cheaper from Yamiya despite the high postal cost.
2. A new tank in primer from DS is £360 inc VAT and a pair of side panels around £80 inc VAT or around £440 inc plus postage. You will then have the cost of the paint at £? together with any additional shipping or customs cost if done aboard?
Clearly if you have a good tank and side panels the best way is to simply just get them re-painted, but if like me you needed both then the Yamiya route has been the most cost effective way.
Brilliant analysis / summary - thanks for taking the time to pull this together. James
Post by: sprinta on December 17, 2021, 04:21:51 PM
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Post by: andy120t on December 18, 2021, 05:38:15 AM
- get tbe bike finished but needing side-panels and tank painting
- give bike a 2 minute blowover with Halfords rattle can in approx the right colour; ensure logbook matches the colour
- book in with Menno
- book a weeks hols in Holland and ride over
- leave bike to be painted
- enjoy a week spending money saved on customs and taxes on beer and herrings.
- ride home
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 18, 2021, 05:49:37 PM
I agree, but a re-paint alone will set you back around £650 to £850, I believe.
I just paid £400 to get just the tank done on Chewy but its a fantastic job and feels like glass so well chuffed. I hear you though.
Post by: sprinta on December 18, 2021, 06:56:24 PM
Post by: Menno on December 19, 2021, 02:03:28 AM
And I do like a road trip...., however...
I live in Germany.
550 kilometers from Calais straight to the right... say 140 km right of Luxembourg city.
Post by: ST1100 on December 19, 2021, 09:55:40 AM
Import tarifs on packages are aprox. 25% to 40% on the total value of the package.Again, AuSTrian authorities brewing their own soup...
Import taxes: 20% + 5% (VAT + handling fees) on the charged amount (which includes any already paid VAT and the shipment costs)
If items are not classifiable for import taxes (and they look hard), a minimum of € 35,- (handling fees) will be charged anyway...
(happened on a set of used ST1100 front calipers from Norway, declared as "scrap"...)
At the moment DS is the only UK source I can only order at, they charge the/our 20% VAT upon checkout...
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 19, 2021, 12:19:01 PM
Well done that seems a good price, was that the side panels as well?Just the tank and a new tail piece mudguard I made.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211219/0a64fc389932be6ab4c1530c40bd357a.jpg)
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Post by: Laverdaroo on December 19, 2021, 02:59:58 PM
https://tjcdesign.com/
He couldn’t have been easier to deal with and his workshop was full of old vintage stuff to be painted. He’s renowned for being a perfectionist and a lovely bloke with it, really happy with the result it’s brilliant
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Post by: JamesH on January 07, 2022, 10:41:29 AM
This chap, TimWhat sort of lead time did he work to?
https://tjcdesign.com/
He couldn’t have been easier to deal with and his workshop was full of old vintage stuff to be painted. He’s renowned for being a perfectionist and a lovely bloke with it, really happy with the result it’s brilliant
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Post by: Oddjob on January 07, 2022, 04:36:20 PM
I really don't want to spoil great plans.
And I do like a road trip...., however...
I live in Germany.
550 kilometers from Calais straight to the right... say 140 km right of Luxembourg city.
That's just a joy ride Menno, easy.