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Title: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on February 18, 2022, 08:33:47 PM
The 750 points cover has gone from £50 a few months ago to around £250. That's clearly because demand has out stripped supply.

So what do you think is the next part to do the same? When I say the next I don't mean parts that already command really high prices, like tanks, seats, ready painted panels etc

I'm of the opinion that it could be either genuine points/condensers or shell bearings.

Any other candidates.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on February 18, 2022, 08:59:05 PM
Yep, who needs the Government to drive classics of the road. The industry seems to be doing it for itself.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on February 18, 2022, 10:53:59 PM
I'm of the opinion that classics and really old antique motors will always be allowed on the road. If 99% of cars and new bikes are electric the amount they emit will be insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Imagine how many clubs etc there are, how many rallies and such are run which generate income, plus a lot of the very rice have massive collections of cars etc which are accumulating in value, all that would mean they become worthless in effect and that's one thing the very rich won't allow.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: haynes66 on February 19, 2022, 07:48:41 AM
on the flip side, i think DS has made a price mistake on the 750f2 brake splitter which is at £4.00. buy them now before he realises!!  they come with the top bolt fitted as per ds picture.  part no  45123-410-000
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Arch stanton on February 19, 2022, 09:21:13 AM
In response to Oddjob.
My concern is. When everything is electric. What would be the point of fuel stations?
Who would be willing to produce petrol, for such a niche market?
Would we have to go back to the beginning, and go to the Chemist,s,
For a gallon of "Motoring Spirit"? And at what price?
Sean.


Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on February 19, 2022, 09:40:41 AM
CB550 and CB500 for sale🤔
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: taysidedragon on February 19, 2022, 11:46:19 AM
In response to Oddjob.
My concern is. When everything is electric. What would be the point of fuel stations?
Who would be willing to produce petrol, for such a niche market?
Would we have to go back to the beginning, and go to the Chemist,s,
For a gallon of "Motoring Spirit"? And at what price?
Sean.

I'll be building a DIY refinery in the back garden. 🏍😁
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on February 19, 2022, 04:02:31 PM
CB250K rear brake lever return spring £35
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on February 19, 2022, 04:17:01 PM
In response to Oddjob.
My concern is. When everything is electric. What would be the point of fuel stations?
Who would be willing to produce petrol, for such a niche market?
Would we have to go back to the beginning, and go to the Chemist,s,
For a gallon of "Motoring Spirit"? And at what price?
Sean.

It's a reasonable point but the pumps are already fitted, as are the tanks, it's cheaper to leave at least one in place that remove everything, it will end up like it is now, with a few electric points and loads of pumps but vice versa.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Arch stanton on February 19, 2022, 05:05:28 PM
I'd like to think you are right. But what has been put in, can be pulled back out. And houses etc built on the site.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: haynes66 on February 19, 2022, 05:13:33 PM
realistically though, the electrical infrastructure is years away, regardless of the governments aims to go electric by a certain deadline.  on top of that, people are only starting to realise that there will a charge for electric car use at some point, as the loss of car tax is huge and it has to come from somewhere. (i think we've well and truly hijacked this thread!)
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on February 19, 2022, 05:43:12 PM
It's my thread and I don't mind, it's all hypothetical anyway, no one really knows which way it will go.

I think they'll convert old petrol stations to electric charging points with quick chargers etc. For 5 mins charge you can get around 30 miles even today so you spend 5 mins going to the toilet, shopping in the shop, it's good business, you've got your customers trapped for a certain amount of time.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: royhall on February 20, 2022, 09:31:18 AM
In response to Oddjob.
My concern is. When everything is electric. What would be the point of fuel stations?
Who would be willing to produce petrol, for such a niche market?
Would we have to go back to the beginning, and go to the Chemist,s,
For a gallon of "Motoring Spirit"? And at what price?
Sean.
There will be a great many millions of petrol/diesel vehicles on the road for many many years past the EV cut off due to silly high prices and lack of chargers. Not to mention the infrastructure upgrades required to allow every home to have a fast charger, they haven't even mentioned that yet. Without a fast charger your trickle charger will take about 16 hours to charge your car. Now if only there was some sort of liquid you could hold in a tank and refill when required. I may be on to something here.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on February 20, 2022, 09:58:26 AM
Smart grid will address many infrastructure concerns. Housing stock average load demand at peak times is accounted for at around 2.5kW to 3kW per dwelling only. The system distributors experience an average daily demand of a little under 300w per dwelling….a load factor of around 10:1. Smart grid knows this and will only permit charging outside peak demand times, thus making better, continuous use of the existing infrastructure and thus increasing generation and utilisation efficiency. The bigger problem will be maintenance and an increase in mean time between failure periods, which is where investment will be required.

I’m afraid the die is cast and the world is going electric and fast….it has to.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: royhall on February 20, 2022, 10:26:22 AM
Pretty much means your average working man/woman is walking or on the bus. EV is not the answer for the masses.

So far there's just 1 public charger for every 35 vehicles on the road and that figure worsens every month. For home fast charging you require either 32 or 50 amps, if everyone charges their car on arriving home from work (and they will) that's going to melt the substation. It's okay putting chargers into new properties they can install the correct gear, but what about older properties, you would have to dig up every road in the nation to supply the required power. I am aware it's got to happen for the sake of global warming, but so far there's nothing but lip service to it. No, the cut off point will keep getting extended.

They will still be selling ICE vehicles until late 2020's and with the life of a vehicle around 20 years that's a long time before petrol and diesel are gone. And remember, the target for net zero was originally 2050 in line with all other countries in the world, only Boris's big ambition brought that down. I would suggest he needs to get on with it quickly.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Laverda Dave on February 20, 2022, 10:36:39 AM
It is a fact there is not enough raw materials world wide to make the number of batteries required just for the UK to go electric by 2030 or 2035 depending what report you read. In addition, if we go electric as planned every petrol station will have to be turned into the size of a football pitch full of chargers. And then there's the people who live in flats in large towns and cities. Housing developers now are only interested in building blocks of flats to maximise their returns. London is full of new developments of flats, they are fitting them into every tiny corner of land. How are these people going to charge their vehicles (and park them). There is a government policy to change the way we travel and personal transport is at the bottom of the list.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: royhall on February 20, 2022, 10:43:44 AM
There will be plenty of petrol for the life of our classic bikes but it will be expensive and full of crap.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on February 20, 2022, 01:39:36 PM
The sub station won’t melt I’m afraid. Although you might plug your car in when you return home at tea time, the smart grid won’t let you charge until much later. Most commutes are less than 100miles round trip, so charge replenishment  time won’t be a problem either. As for raw materials and ‘production capacity’ you may revise your opinions when you see the number of industrial scale battery plants being built. I know cos I’m involved in building them.

Relatively at least, Fossil fuel is finished, with fission coming a close second. We are going  electric and it’s coming to you soon. As for charging points, take a look at the New Building Regulations Part L. And yes, there will be a work revolution and large scale office space will become a thing of the past. And yes, public transportation will also be reenergised, for those who choose to travel.

Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: royhall on February 20, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Ahh Utopia land. It's actually the land of fairy tales. The reality does not match the hype. So now we have to charge the car when Big Brother dictates it's okay, that's yet another nail in the plans coffin.

None of what is being said is actually achievable at all let alone in the next 8 years. Sorry to rain on the parade but this is being pushed by politicians so it just wont happen (it should happen, and it needs to happen) but it just wont. There's neither the will to change nor the vast sums of money required to make it happen.

The only person I know that actually wants an EV wants a Tesla for the performance, all the rest say they wouldn't buy one in a lifetime, all planning on keeping what they have until it drops. If all the plans come to together it still wont be enough to stop GW, one large office block takes less to heat that 500 individual homes. Power use went through the roof during the work from home period of the pandemic. More GW. When they admit the problem is population explosion then they can try and deal with it. Genocide anyone?  ;D
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 20, 2022, 02:48:01 PM
I think all MPs, civil servans, then local councilors  should be forced to use electric cars paid for by themselves (no grants) then be made to trial heat pumps before they ban gas boilers. If that eventually works out then all Political Party Members then finally the public. A nice considered roll out.

I think I am right that they tried heating the Albert Hall with heat pumps about a hundred years ago and it did not work - using the Thames as the ground heat source - seem to think it came up during a Thermodynamics  lecture.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on February 20, 2022, 03:22:39 PM
Not sure we are anywhere near reality…yet.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on February 20, 2022, 03:24:30 PM
Heat pumps, now that’s something I evidentially know something about. I certainly wouldn’t entertain one….until I have to.🤔
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on February 20, 2022, 03:28:11 PM
No one seems to have mentioned Hydrogen power. Getting a motorcycle tank to accept Hydrogen may be an easier solution than electric. Plus Hydrogen is an non exhaustible solution, so long as there is water there is Hydrogen.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on February 20, 2022, 03:34:55 PM
Yes, hydrogen is being used very effectively, being heavily promoted in some sectors for embedded generation. The emergence of the net carbon zero programme, I suspect it will raise its profile further.
The big issue with hydrogen is production and transport….it’s mostly used on the site of production for that reason alone.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: royhall on February 20, 2022, 04:02:43 PM
Hindenberg.

Plus it takes more energy to produce the hydrogen than is in the hydrogen. Good idea to use surplus wind power to make hydrogen on offshore rigs next to the wind farms as a sort of battery, but not really mass production. Unlikely to ever make it to personal transport more chance of use for HGV etc.

Don't forget that all these wonder solutions also have a carbon footprint that needs to be taken into account. Absolutely nothing about any form of energy is green, this is the problem. The manufacture of new machinery of all sorts produces huge amounts of carbon.

But don't worry about petrol for our classics, it will still be around long after most of us are gone. Strangely Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe but combines so easily with other elements that it rarely occurs naturally in a usable form. Again a carbon footprint to get at it.

A million great ideas and not one of them is feasible in the real world. They know GW cannot be stopped, due to massive population explosion. Transport is just a small section of the problem. They really and quickly need to get a grip on the real causes of GW and cut the bullshit.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Bryanj on February 20, 2022, 05:00:23 PM
I refer to somebody in the pasts comment.

You can tell when an MP/CIVIL SERVANT/COUNCILOR is lying  as their lips are moving!
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 20, 2022, 05:02:56 PM
I am of the blinkered view that Global Warming (GW) is not primarily a man made issue - interesting that there are no research funds available in the UK if you want to study for a Doctorate  to prove  that GW is not  a man made problem.

I think before the next election that our Nigel should form a political party to scrap the proposed ban on Gas Boilers & ICE propulsion. They would get my vote!



Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on February 20, 2022, 06:23:50 PM
I agree. I can’t help thinking it’s just a push to generate a whole new world industrial economy…..but I’m a pessimist.

One things a cert, we will be unconscious participants without collective influence.

I mean, I never heard of objection when the new modern pension was unleashed, effectively robbing the over 50s of ten years worth of SERPS/SP2 contributions amounting to around £3500 a year in pension.

Have we lost the thread here…?
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on February 20, 2022, 06:48:13 PM
I always wondered why someone didn't sue the Government for breach of Contract, they made a contract with everyone to pay pension at 65 or 60 if you were a woman, yet they broke that contract and no one said a thing.

I had to work an extra year because I missed the cutoff date by a few months, cost me another year of NI contributions and a loss of £700 a month in pension payments.

Also we were still in the EU when this happened, so they were supposed to conform to EU guidelines on pension age yet they ignored all that. They retire much earlier in France for instance.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 20, 2022, 10:09:32 PM
I always wondered why someone didn't sue the Government for breach of Contract, they made a contract with everyone to pay pension at 65 or 60 if you were a woman, yet they broke that contract and no one said a thing.

I had to work an extra year because I missed the cutoff date by a few months, cost me another year of NI contributions and a loss of £176 a month in pension payments.

Also we were still in the EU when this happened, so they were supposed to conform to EU guidelines on pension age yet they ignored all that. They retire much earlier in France for instance.

Wendy had to work another 6 years her pension age moved from 60 to 66 as she was born in 1954.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: heli_madken on February 20, 2022, 11:03:00 PM
I always wondered why someone didn't sue the Government for breach of Contract, they made a contract with everyone to pay pension at 65 or 60 if you were a woman, yet they broke that contract and no one said a thing.

I had to work an extra year because I missed the cutoff date by a few months, cost me another year of NI contributions and a loss of £176 a month in pension payments.

Also we were still in the EU when this happened, so they were supposed to conform to EU guidelines on pension age yet they ignored all that. They retire much earlier in France for instance.

Wendy had to work another 6 years her pension age moved from 60 to 66 as she was born in 1954.

What annoys me about this is it does not save the government any money, by forcing the older generation to work longer in key sectors you are making younger people unemployed, so what you save in pension payments you lose in unemployment benefits
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on March 05, 2022, 01:59:28 AM
I always wondered why someone didn't sue the Government for breach of Contract, they made a contract with everyone to pay pension at 65 or 60 if you were a woman, yet they broke that contract and no one said a thing.

I had to work an extra year because I missed the cutoff date by a few months, cost me another year of NI contributions and a loss of £176 a month in pension payments.

Also we were still in the EU when this happened, so they were supposed to conform to EU guidelines on pension age yet they ignored all that. They retire much earlier in France for instance.

Wendy had to work another 6 years her pension age moved from 60 to 66 as she was born in 1954.

Ted, my missus is due to retire next year after working all her life except for maternity leave. How much is a wife's pension these days per month when they are fully stamped up. She doesn't know anyone to ask who's older than her who's got full contributions in.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on March 05, 2022, 06:54:00 AM
£137.60 per week as long as you have 30 years of contributions.


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Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on March 05, 2022, 07:51:13 AM
£137.60 per week as long as you have 30 years of contributions.


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I think it's more complicated than that Steve. I had 41 years of contributions but 'cos I only paid half of my class 2 NIC's one year  :-[ when I was working solely for myself I get slightly less than the full amount  :(
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on March 05, 2022, 08:08:43 AM
Government website will tell you. The new state pension is £179, which is much less than what you would have got under the old schem where all your SERPS and SP2 counted, typically resulting in say £1000 per month instead of the £750 you will now get. Basically the Government has picked your pockets and without protest.

The website can provide your full NI records and a contracted out discount calculation (COD) if it applies to you. They got mine wrong by the way and corrected it.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 05, 2022, 01:08:42 PM
I always wondered why someone didn't sue the Government for breach of Contract, they made a contract with everyone to pay pension at 65 or 60 if you were a woman, yet they broke that contract and no one said a thing.

I had to work an extra year because I missed the cutoff date by a few months, cost me another year of NI contributions and a loss of £176 a month in pension payments.

Also we were still in the EU when this happened, so they were supposed to conform to EU guidelines on pension age yet they ignored all that. They retire much earlier in France for instance.

Wendy had to work another 6 years her pension age moved from 60 to 66 as she was born in 1954.

Ted, my missus is due to retire next year after working all her life except for maternity leave. How much is a wife's pension these days per month when they are fully stamped up. She doesn't know anyone to ask who's older than her who's got full contributions in.

Easy enough to do an accurate online Pensions Forecast based on her actual contibutions through the Gov website they do quite a few identity checks to give you the Gov Gatway Identity   FWIW my wifes OAP is £820.32 every four weeks so that's 13 payments a year £10,664.16 p.a. she did pay reduced contributions for a short period due to workplace scheme.

https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on March 05, 2022, 01:56:11 PM
Yes, the forecasting system is very good IMHO. Your missus must have some SERPS and SP2 contributions, Ted.

Did you come a conclusion on the colour scheme by the way?
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 05, 2022, 02:07:05 PM
Yes, the forecasting system is very good IMHO. Your missus must have some SERPS and SP2 contributions, Ted.

Did you come a conclusion on the colour scheme by the way?

Yes she did pay some SERPS before it was scrapped we did a modest top up for one year - it was about £40.

I am keeping my existing colour scheme for the summer at least - if everything is fine with the rebuilt engine then I will try to run it it in during the summer  - then it's dependant on funds & enthusiasm.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Seabeowner on March 05, 2022, 07:03:15 PM
If you have incomplete contributions in the last six years (I think), you can buy up these years.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 06, 2022, 04:21:05 PM
If any members here have a wife/husband whose only income is the state pension or is under pension age with no income or on a low income do not forget you can apply for the married persons allowance and transfer it to the higher earner.

HMRC will pay in arrears I think it's for 3 tax years including the current year.  Its an allowance of an additional £1260 a year tax free added to your tax code. (I got about £750 refunded by HMRC as I applied for it just before the new tax year - this was about 5 years ago.) Only benefits folk with one spouse on a low income or a partner who is paying the higher rate of income tax.

HMRC do not do this automatically - it was introduced to benifit married couples but you have to apply for the transfer. https://www.gov.uk/marriage-allowance
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on March 06, 2022, 06:42:36 PM
Anyone notice that DS is now charging £359 for a 750 points cover, it was £250 ish a few weeks ago, talk about taking the piss.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Primus on March 31, 2022, 12:18:14 PM
If any members here have a wife/husband whose only income is the state pension or is under pension age with no income or on a low income do not forget you can apply for the married persons allowance and transfer it to the higher earner.

HMRC will pay in arrears I think it's for 3 tax years including the current year.  Its an allowance of an additional £1260 a year tax free added to your tax code. (I got about £750 refunded by HMRC as I applied for it just before the new tax year - this was about 5 years ago.) Only benefits folk with one spouse on a low income or a partner who is paying the higher rate of income tax.

HMRC do not do this automatically - it was introduced to benifit married couples but you have to apply for the transfer. https://www.gov.uk/marriage-allowance

We have done that.  It near enough pays for my 4 bike insurance policies averaging £70 apiece.  Totally agree on the ever increasing cost of spares.

Paul
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on March 31, 2022, 03:31:41 PM
I'll bear that in mind. It's possible my missus may have to retire early as her health isn't great due to numerous operations in the past. She is suffering from severe pain in the hip area, I think she's going to need a replacement hip, which she's dreading. She's had an xray recently and they have asked her to ring someone they refer to as the Bone Doctor to discuss the result, that's not exactly good news to hear from her point of view.

Doesn't help that I keep going round the house shouting Hip Hip Replace  ;D ;D
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Sesman on April 01, 2022, 08:35:36 AM
Don’t allow your missus to fret over hip replacement. It’s a high turn over, low risk procedure these days and the success rate is very high. She wil be fit from  Instant pain relief and a Hugh improvement in quality of life…embrace it.

I can’t stress highly enough that the key to success is preparing for the operation and rigidly following the post operative recovery advice, it plays a hugh part in the overall surgical success rate.

But I’m guessing you both already know that….
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 01, 2022, 11:14:28 AM
I agree with the previous post.

Wendy had her hip replacement 2 years ago when she was 65 yrs of age - after several years of poor treatment at Derby Royal by an arrogant Consultant who prescribed her Tramadol & injections he sent her away calling her a silly old woman. We made a complaint via the then local "Pals" route asking for a second opinion via them and our GP. The Consultant basically sat on her notes as we declined a review at Derby Royal wanting a second opinion from a different trust area. Meanwhile Wendy became addicted to the pain killers that the Consultant initially  prescribed she was struggling to work with the side effects - it took 18 months to recover from the drug addiction whilst under him.

Eventually (about 9 months later) we were referred to Nottingham City where we saw a super Consultant who confirmed that  not only did she need a hip replacement immediately but that the delay had led to a more complex operation due to the wear pattern. Wendy had endured hip pain of gradually increasing magnitude for over 5 years. The day after the operation that pain was gone - she could smile again just normal post operative pain of a different type & magnitude. Her stay was 5 or 6 nights they would not discharge her until she had past the "stair" test.

Wendy has had no regrets about having had the HIP replacement even though  she did have to have some extra injections by the Consultant on her first two follow up appointments.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: Oddjob on April 01, 2022, 02:53:08 PM
How long was she off work for, my missus is worried about finances etc. She's in a sit down job mostly but doesn't involve a fair amount of walking and climbing stairs. I said it could be some months and maybe that's why she's worried.
Title: Re: What's the next part where the price will go through the roof?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 01, 2022, 03:30:56 PM
How long was she off work for, my missus is worried about finances etc. She's in a sit down job mostly but doesn't involve a fair amount of walking and climbing stairs. I said it could be some months and maybe that's why she's worried.
Wendy has a desk bound job as a Dr's receptionist but it also involves going up & down stairs regularly. She booked 3 weeks holiday from the date of going into hospital returning to work at week 13.  Doing it this way meant she was only off work for 10 weeks so her sick pay reduction was not activated. Without the stairs she could have returned at 6 or 7 weeks she tells me. It's dependent on many factors as well as doing the exercises, sleeping with a pillow between her legs, plus not getting an infection. Self  injecting with Heparin at home for 4 weeks or whatever they prescribe is easier to do than it looks. (I speak from recent experience when I had a kidney removed it was easy & painless to self inject into my belly fat)  My neighbour Andy had a hip replacement just over a year ago he is 74 and was walking his dog after 3 weeks! Different Consultants do different approaches to the hip replacement. Although entry scar sites might all look similar some go for side entry some rear when doing the bone cutting etc depending on factors I do not understand. It's related to muscle cutting and socket retention. Wendy had the young persons hip parts so the seat can be replaced if she lives to a ripe old age. Wendy's Consultant was old school so although the external scar is mainly on the side of her hip he worked from the rear to reduce cutting of the muscle that holds the hip bone in place. The recovery was longer but chance of the joint falling out is reduced. Nurse Julie might be able to correct my version of what's involved.
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