Post by: deltarider on May 20, 2023, 07:29:02 AM
Post by: Nurse Julie on May 20, 2023, 07:38:22 AM
Post by: Matt_Harrington on May 20, 2023, 09:04:38 AM
Post by: Bryanj on May 20, 2023, 09:07:41 AM
Post by: Matt_Harrington on May 20, 2023, 09:21:11 AM
Post by: deltarider on May 20, 2023, 10:10:25 AM
There has been much discussion about that tool...I vaguely remember the discussion in the international forum and also that there was no definitive answer.
[...] from tappet adjuster(too big) to spoke nipple key(bad fit) but basically its a tee bar for the plug socketNope, it's too big for the holes in my OEM plug socket.
Question: did early CB500 models ever come with a brake bleeder 8mm head instead of the 7mm on ours?
Post by: Seabeowner on May 20, 2023, 07:04:12 PM
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Post by: Nurse Julie on June 18, 2023, 01:10:47 PM
Post by: deltarider on June 20, 2023, 11:47:40 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on June 20, 2023, 01:32:18 PM
As far as the CB500/550s, there seems to be one place only where this tool fits perfectly and that is at the throttle cable adjusters.That’s what I used mine for when tinkering about as it’s a good length for said twiddling manoeuvres
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Post by: Oddjob on June 20, 2023, 02:15:16 PM
Post by: deltarider on June 20, 2023, 03:06:38 PM
Throttle cable adjusters are 10mm... [...]Mine are 8mm.
[...] ...so if it fits there it will also fit the tappet adjusters, so that's a more likely use that Honda would have put it in the toolkit for.Really... in a CB500/550's toolkit? My tappet adjusters have 10mm locknuts.
Post by: Nurse Julie on June 20, 2023, 03:14:10 PM
Tappet adjuster lock nuts are smaller than 10mm on the 400/4, about 8mm if I remember correctly. That's why I think it is for a 400/4 tool kit and probably hundreds of other small Hondas.Throttle cable adjusters are 10mm... [...]Mine are 8mm.[...] ...so if it fits there it will also fit the tappet adjusters, so that's a more likely use that Honda would have put it in the toolkit for.Really... in a CB500/550's toolkit? My tappet adjusters have 10mm locknuts.
Post by: Oddjob on June 20, 2023, 04:29:19 PM
8mm would be correct for 400/4 tappet locknuts, seem to recall they had those little square adjusters as well that you used that little tool on. Still got one of those lying in my toolbox. C50 used the same if I recall.
Post by: deltarider on June 20, 2023, 06:21:23 PM
The tool was in CB500 toolbags, looong time before the CB400F (or CB350F for that matter) arrived.
Another question: what was the WRENCH AXLE extra's eye about? https://www.cmsnl.com/products/wrench-axle_89202283000/ 26mm probably for the rear axle. Could the second one have been 23mm to advance the special cranknut (behind the ignition cover)?
Post by: Nurse Julie on June 20, 2023, 06:31:34 PM
Definitely the adjusters at the handlebars are 8mm.That tool was not included in the CB500/4 tool bag. Here is a photo of my owners handbook for a CB500/4, printed in 1971 and that part is not included.
The tool was in CB500 toolbags, looong time before the CB400F (or CB350F for that matter) arrived.
Another question: what was the WRENCH AXLE extra's eye about? https://www.cmsnl.com/products/wrench-axle_89202283000/ 26mm probably for the rear axle. Could the second one have been 23mm to advance the special cranknut (behind the ignition cover)?
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Post by: Oddjob on June 20, 2023, 06:55:42 PM
I was referring to the adjusters near the carbs DR, AFAIK there is only one cable with the adjuster near the bars and that is indeed 8mm.
Post by: mickwinf on June 20, 2023, 07:02:21 PM
Post by: deltarider on June 20, 2023, 07:16:39 PM
Post by: Oddjob on June 20, 2023, 08:46:22 PM
Post by: robvangulik on June 20, 2023, 11:49:15 PM
Tappet adjuster lock nuts are smaller than 10mm on the 400/4, about 8mm if I remember correctly. That's why I think it is for a 400/4 tool kit and probably hundreds of other small Hondas.Tappet nuts on the 400 are 9 mm.
Post by: Oddjob on June 21, 2023, 03:03:30 AM
Post by: robvangulik on June 21, 2023, 12:25:46 PM
Post by: davidcumbria on September 18, 2023, 10:03:55 AM
Definitely the adjusters at the handlebars are 8mm.That tool was not included in the CB500/4 tool bag. Here is a photo of my owners handbook for a CB500/4, printed in 1971 and that part is not included.
The tool was in CB500 toolbags, looong time before the CB400F (or CB350F for that matter) arrived.
Another question: what was the WRENCH AXLE extra's eye about? https://www.cmsnl.com/products/wrench-axle_89202283000/ 26mm probably for the rear axle. Could the second one have been 23mm to advance the special cranknut (behind the ignition cover)?
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Just bought a 26 mm socket for mine. I see these early 500s had that double hole wrench but it disappeared from later tool kits. Did later tool kits include a 26 mm wrench ( not the ones I’ve seen for sale ) or were Honda thinking you could undo with your teeth 🙂?
Post by: Oddjob on September 18, 2023, 12:42:16 PM
Which is odd because according to CMS they use the same nut on the rear spindle, so something wrong there. The 550F toolkit I've recently bought had both the 22 and 24mm eye wrenches inside. Offhand I can't seem to recall where there's a 22mm nut on a 550.
https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb550f1-super-sport-550-four-1976-england_model17113/eye-wrench-26_9900626000/
Post by: Bryanj on September 18, 2023, 12:55:43 PM
Post by: Oddjob on September 18, 2023, 01:00:24 PM
Actually you may be right Bryan, just looked at the parts book and it could well be 22mm, appearances can deceive though.
Also spotted the 550F2 uses a different rear spindle nut from the F1, for some reason I was looking at the swinging arm spindle, CMS pics don't show the rear spindle clearly in the diagrams, wondered why it was a locknut and not a castellated nut.
This toolkit has been on Ebay for ages now, says 500/550 but TBH that's not strictly true, only the 500K3 got the 24mm rear nut and not exactly that many of those about and only the F2 and K3 got the 24mm nut in the 550s.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334828221614?hash=item4df55134ae:g:JD8AAOSwPyVkNS6R&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4PyCuZZ9GHQmO0W3e9Oj4uMUzkDRl%2BKRXkWo%2BnSdvwilFaBKtK8q1OVPxXztmk9YlA9Q8DZV1roPRF65Xfl%2BCFZnfHodxgYSwIaXkicZsJv%2B8UwS7lQjDyM%2BsjBwEC6ouIPkU8ZOhoEioNGPKLidO%2FEJ3eExzz2DeSGb0XUdyivswYXUHo7JywomMa%2BKWH9qt2xBHuOzLzHTEFfzGEhDEIfxIuHurOvfJL26U5c8Yfs96V8LQVUAdXi3sU2JJXp5szg1x7L6TDyeqxlljCmbZVmiZ5V%2FOcxsBLqRttKdnZVZ%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9Di4ILVYg
One way of getting around the problem Dave would be to buy the 24mm nut fitted to the F2/K3 and then find a 24mm eye wrench which is FAR easier than trying to find the 26mm version.
Post by: Oddjob on October 05, 2023, 02:53:48 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325836619609?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=21ba1e8ad20b4b6da35841fb28f9be18&bu=43136868494&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20231005064135&segname=11021
Eye watering amount of money.
Post by: andy120t on October 05, 2023, 04:19:54 PM
Post by: philward on October 05, 2023, 04:51:31 PM
Why do they have pliers - is there any routine maintenance that needs them? I think my zx6-r 1999 toolkit has them, so there must be a reason?
Removing the axle split pin?
Post by: Oddjob on October 05, 2023, 04:53:50 PM
Post by: deltarider on October 05, 2023, 08:26:22 PM
Why do they have pliers - is there any routine maintenance that needs them? I think my zx6-r 1999 toolkit has them, so there must be a reason?They are for holding the one tiny nut when you fasten the opposite other one of the breakerpoints.
Post by: davidcumbria on October 06, 2023, 09:03:53 AM
Just spotted this Dave.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325836619609?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l3160&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=21ba1e8ad20b4b6da35841fb28f9be18&bu=43136868494&ut=RU&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20231005064135&segname=11021
Eye watering amount of money.
Thanks Ken , Yes that’s a lot - especially since it would be pretty hard to use to loosen a correctly torqued axle nut. Will stick to my 26mm socket which can be used with a torque wrench.
Post by: Oddjob on October 06, 2023, 01:51:50 PM
Until I found a genuine one I intended to put this in the tool kit.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256144332288?hash=item3ba3645600:g:PUAAAOSwKptcgXw3&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8ChxH%2FHkuQBMYpwLA991qUAVNm9dtlm6C5vI6QP9ReBV1dwUOF3wAf42dkhpipgBwcENPHePIUuHYw%2BB9OVclUrMh1dneAKBCZHIbwH8vRGPrm%2BAPtUr%2FXTJZsKZXrVxzA7MauTcqC6Jwi2Fdptd5lVcv1yf8FodgAmvb8PbeMbV0S5jBRiv6LGjeKXcQalRzOftWZxYDV6TrRRH1Crv1qcdxBDgDsV4b5I42lwMET%2BAKD43InJBQLXQf05bperinXVDxi%2FXH12mAIaaoubiUKr2kcuSZzGOLb%2FplOCBDBQJxq2zJ6iQOir7IdrLmfzPxw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4bT0NDgYg
Not exactly ideal but it would have done the job.