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Title: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 02, 2018, 06:23:01 PM
Hi All from sunny London.

So I just bought a 1976 CB550F US import from FleaBay. Looked rough on the photos and looks even rougher in real life.
I have not had chance to go over the bike properly yet,  I was told it has compression but I haven't tried to turn it over yet as I want to soak some oil in the barrels first.
Wires are a rats nest, missing one coil, clutch is very stiff - could just be the cable, Carbs are all there and are unseazed, though I took one of the bowls off and its full of varnish. Tank has a big dent on one side, possibly a hole, need to do some more poking with a screwdriver. Wheels look un-dented and appear straight. Headers are ok and un-dented but the collector is toast and the exhaust is missing
All in all looks like I've got a big project on my hands. The clock is showing 56k so I think I may need to do a full engine rebuild on this one - which for me is going to be interesting as I've only ever rebuilt carbs before. I have restored one bike before - A Yamaha XS2 and although I did a lot of work on it,nit was running when I got it so I didn't delve into the engine further than replacing seals and rebuilding the carbs so I'm going to need a lot of help from the gentlefolk of this forum to guide me through it. I'll start a build thread in the project section when I get going on it!

Pictures before and after of the XS2 I restored and the sorry 550F below

XS2 Before
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XS2 After
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Sorry CB550F
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Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 02, 2018, 06:30:19 PM
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Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: SumpMagnet on December 02, 2018, 06:44:41 PM
Nice Yam :) Looks very tidy.

The 550 looks like you got a full on project to get stuck into this time! I did something similar with a grotty old 750, and I reckon a full teardown is the only way to go. You just never know whats going on inside a non runner, and you don;t want to find out you have expensive issues in the motor when you spent all your cash on shiny bits :)

oh...yeah...and I looked out the window. London is definitely NOT sunny :)
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 02, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
Thanks SumpMagnet, Yeah I know, might have bitten off more than I can chew but oh well, I was looking for a project.. and I got one!
I was thinking about cleaning the carbs, putting a battery on it, wire the coils to the points and see if it would start.. but I think your right. It's got that many miles on it and I don't know how long its been sat so I think a teardown is the only way to go. 
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Moorey on December 02, 2018, 06:56:05 PM
Welcome to the forum. At times try to remember it is supposed to be fun.  ;)
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Bryanj on December 02, 2018, 07:00:53 PM
Get it to at least fire and try to run BEFORE stripdown, at least you have the easy carbs!!
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 02, 2018, 07:10:51 PM
Welcome to the forum. At times try to remember it is supposed to be fun.  ;)

Thanks Moorey!

Get it to at least fire and try to run BEFORE stripdown, at least you have the easy carbs!!

Hmm you thin so? I was going to do that but I've had differing opinions. I have bought another second hand set of coils (as one was missing) and a cheap battery for that reason.
If I'm going to rebuild the engine anyway is there a benefit to getting it running before tearing it down? (Other than the fun of getting an old engine to run and a bit of confidence)
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 02, 2018, 07:12:12 PM
Hi and welcome. I bit of spit and polish makes a huge difference to these old girls 😀. Agree with Bryan, try and get it up and running if you can, before you take it all apart. Good luck.
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Bryanj on December 02, 2018, 07:21:13 PM
The 550 is a very reliable old bike if serviced as it should be, unfortuanatly major parts like the crank and conrods are NOT reaurable and cheapest fix is usualy another engine so if you can get it to run with no big clanging/banging noises at least you know it is a mostly useable unit.


Plus its more fun and gives you confidence!
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 02, 2018, 07:26:34 PM
The 550 is a very reliable old bike if serviced as it should be, unfortuanatly major parts like the crank and conrods are NOT reaurable and cheapest fix is usualy another engine so if you can get it to run with no big clanging/banging noises at least you know it is a mostly useable unit.


Plus its more fun and gives you confidence!

Thanks Bryanj, that makes sense to me! Right well that's the first thing on the list then. Carbs are already out and waiting on my bench to be cleaned up. I'll start the build thread once I start on those.


 
 
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: mickwinf on December 03, 2018, 09:01:27 AM
I have been rebuiding a f2 which was similar/worse than yours and i did start it first before stripping it down and it did run ok so decided not to completely strip the engine due to cost, but is a bit of a risk. the headers and collector box are hard to find in good condition so thats a bonus.
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Laverda Dave on December 03, 2018, 09:48:38 AM
Welcome to the forum eight0.
I agree with starting the engine first and especially considering it's all there. I would replace the oil first though as you don't know how long it's been standing and what nasties are in the old oil. I would just by a cheap 10/40 or 15/40 as you are only starting it to check it runs. It might be worth taking the sump pan off first as well for piece of mind and prior to start up.
Good luck.
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 03, 2018, 12:50:02 PM
Welcome to the forum eight0.
I agree with starting the engine first and especially considering it's all there. I would replace the oil first though as you don't know how long it's been standing and what nasties are in the old oil. I would just by a cheap 10/40 or 15/40 as you are only starting it to check it runs. It might be worth taking the sump pan off first as well for piece of mind and prior to start up.
Good luck.

Thanks Laverda, Yes I'm going to drain the oil and check the filter/sump before trying to start it, hopefully it won't be shimmery! I've also got some new spark plugs and caps to give it a fighting chance. Hard bit for me is going to be making up a temporary loom to get it going.
 
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Tomb on December 03, 2018, 03:17:02 PM
I have similar clocks on an XS1100 Yamahahaha.

You may want to watch these videos for the tank work CLICK (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=motorcycle+dent+repair&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnjNjr-YPfAhWMmLQKHVmtA4UQ_AUIDygC&biw=1280&bih=929)
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Tomb on December 03, 2018, 03:29:55 PM
Although maybe not this one  ;D ;D

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjB1NbY_IPfAhXHKVAKHV2lAeUQtwIIKjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUB0eRYHtpYo&usg=AOvVaw3gZ23rTNIFpwIJpmBUaNv5
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 03, 2018, 03:34:06 PM
Haha I love Ichiban. His spork barrel honing tool is the best.

I've started a project thread for my bike.  http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php?topic=17707.msg152319#msg152319

Better view of the clocks. I think they're green? hard to tell in this photo. I'll have to check when I'm back in the garage. These photos are all from the ebay ad.

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Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Tomb on December 03, 2018, 03:40:18 PM
Defo Yamaha clocks but not XS1100 as they redline at 8.5K
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 03, 2018, 03:45:33 PM
Defo Yamaha clocks but not XS1100 as they redline at 8.5K

Well it could mean that the mileage is actually much less, which is a good thing!
Orrr it could mean the opposite, which isn't. 
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: Seabeowner on December 03, 2018, 05:42:38 PM
Good to see another 550. I have the same model and colour. Mine was a US import 3 years ago and in much better condition. It showed 32k miles and all looked pretty straight and don't think the engine had been apart. I thought about getting it started, but after draining the oil and removing the sump the primary chain was chewing away at the cases so I decided not to bother and to completely strip. Only surprise was the upper rear engine bolt which took a week to remove. Managed to get a reasonable condition original silencer on ebay locally for a fiver! All back together now.
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: jon stead on December 03, 2018, 09:17:53 PM
Welcome eight0. Looking forward to following your restoration.
Title: Re: New Nember - First Honda Project
Post by: eight0 on December 04, 2018, 12:18:34 PM
Good to see another 550. I have the same model and colour. Mine was a US import 3 years ago and in much better condition. It showed 32k miles and all looked pretty straight and don't think the engine had been apart. I thought about getting it started, but after draining the oil and removing the sump the primary chain was chewing away at the cases so I decided not to bother and to completely strip. Only surprise was the upper rear engine bolt which took a week to remove. Managed to get a reasonable condition original silencer on ebay locally for a fiver! All back together now.

Nice work bike looks great!
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