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Title: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Moorey on November 30, 2020, 06:57:41 PM

Unfortunately next years TT cancelled.

https://www.iomttraces.com/news/racing
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: cooleronthecoast on December 01, 2020, 09:12:55 AM
I know race teams and the whole infrastructure leading up to an event like the TT can't just happen overnight but I would've thought they could delay the decision until the New Year at least to see what happens with the new COVID vaccines?  Presumably the answer to that is No.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: philward on December 01, 2020, 09:25:04 AM
I think the IOM has been particularly successful in locking out the virus with the measures they have taken - they are clearly not confident that the mainland will have alleviated the virus by next June I would assume from that decision.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: bobv7 on December 01, 2020, 10:26:54 AM
I think the truth is that arranging and organising events like the TT take quite a bit longer than six months, and I can also understand that the IOM residents would not be too keen on increasing the covid risk from the mainland. 2022?
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: K2-K6 on December 01, 2020, 10:46:33 AM
With the euphoric announcement of vaccine etc now passed,  the practical application of realistic steps is most likely to take longer than many hope for.

The TT announcement seems to be realistic given the above if true. I don't think the sport of motorcycle racing would want to have the adverse labeling that'll go with something like this if it were to go wrong. Well certainly given how the news channels treat any serious incident that happens there anyway,  even without the overlay of pandemic.

Personally not so cautious,  but I feel it does appear to be the right decision for them and the sphere of those that would be involved.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Moorey on December 01, 2020, 11:16:27 AM

Even if the UK was totally free of Covid. Spectators come from all over the world. Something like having to provide a negative test that was taken within 72hrs prior to arrival. Similar to Spain and thats not fool proof as its transmittable on surfaces.

IOM 25 deaths  New Zealand 25 deaths. 
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Arch stanton on December 02, 2020, 09:13:02 AM
There is a possibility. We have seen the last of the TT.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Moorey on December 02, 2020, 10:35:40 AM
There is a possibility. We have seen the last of the TT.

Unfortunately you could well be right especially if the Manx is cancelled as well.   :-X
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: taysidedragon on December 02, 2020, 05:30:28 PM
There is a possibility. We have seen the last of the TT.

I doubt that very much. It brings too much income to the island's businesses.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Arch stanton on December 03, 2020, 11:15:44 AM
The anti TT lobby has been gathering momentum for some time now. Both on & off the Island. Plus the health & safety obsessed
World we now live in. The two year cancellation will crush the hospitality sector. The average age of those going to the TT is around 50. Many of these would not contemplate camping
The constant struggle to get Marshall's + the lack of younger motorcyclists. The future looks bleak.
As a TT supporter who has not missed a TT since 1977.
Or a Manx gp since 2000. I sincerely hope I am wrong.
But I have over the last decade seen the organisers milk the tits off the dying cash cow.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Laverda Dave on December 03, 2020, 11:31:01 AM
It would be terrible for motorcycling not only for the UK but the rest of the world if the TT were to end for good.
I haven't been since 1999, not because I didn't want to go but because its so expensive and that is if you can get the accommodation and the ferry to coincide, 95% it's one or the other but never both! 3 years ago I had a hotel booked but had to wait for the ferry bookings to open some weeks later, when they did I  couldn't get a ferry within three days of the arrival or departure dates. And this was within 30 minutes of the ferry website opening!
The Steam Packet rip-off the TT, always have done and because they own the dock on the island no other company gets a look-in, you would think the IOM govt would step in considering the wealth it brings to their economy but I guess they are more keen to keep the place as a tax haven for the rich rather than have dirty, smelly motorbike riders hanging around.
I would go to both the TT and the Classic TT if I could and if it didn't cost an arm and a leg to get there.
There's always the Isle of Wight TT to look forward to if it ever gets off the ground.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Moorey on December 03, 2020, 12:05:02 PM
It would be terrible for motorcycling not only for the UK but the rest of the world if the TT were to end for good.
I haven't been since 1999, not because I didn't want to go but because its so expensive and that is if you can get the accommodation and the ferry to coincide, 95% it's one or the other but never both! 3 years ago I had a hotel booked but had to wait for the ferry bookings to open some weeks later, when they did I  couldn't get a ferry within three days of the arrival or departure dates. And this was within 30 minutes of the ferry website opening!
The Steam Packet rip-off the TT, always have done and because they own the dock on the island no other company gets a look-in, you would think the IOM govt would step in considering the wealth it brings to their economy but I guess they are more keen to keep the place as a tax haven for the rich rather than have dirty, smelly motorbike riders hanging around.
I would go to both the TT and the Classic TT if I could and if it didn't cost an arm and a leg to get there.
There's always the Isle of Wight TT to look forward to if it ever gets off the ground.

I was told by Conner Cummins who has family that works for Steam Packet that the IOM Gov set the price not Steam Packet.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Arch stanton on December 03, 2020, 03:11:49 PM
I try to counter the ferry price argument with this.How much does it cost to get trackside at the British GP? To see how many races? And if you follow a particular rider and he bins it early in the race😭 Compare that to what you get for your money at the TT.
Accomodation is of course another thing.
I consider myself very fortunate to have the generosity of friends over there who's garden I camp on.
Also I'm very fortunate to live close to Heysham. So I never pre book the boat. I just turn up & get on. I have never failed.
Here's hoping to be back soon.
Isle of white will never happen!
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: bobv7 on December 03, 2020, 03:24:18 PM
I suppose if I lived near Heysham I'd be hoping the IOW thing doesn't take off. But I can see the IOW from here! ;)
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: Arch stanton on December 03, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
Obviously I hope the IoW does happen but.
I just see the similarly with the Welsh TT thing of last year.
The same promotion  with the ever grinning Steve Player riding around the proposed course etc.
I cant help thinking it will come to nothing again.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: MrDavo on December 03, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
Each time I go to the IOM, I'm saddened by the number of hotels and pubs, some of which I've stayed at or drunk in, that are now flats or old people's homes. This isn't going to help at all.

When I rode in the Manx in '93, my Newcomer's race was sponsored by the IOM Steam Packet Co. Guess how much discount I got on the ferry - yes, zero %! That said half our party were hiding under dustsheets in the Transit. After we'd set off from Heysham, a crew member banged on the side of the van and told us it was safe to come out now! :) If that ferry ever sank they would have had no idea how many were actually on board. I seem to remember that the rip off fuel sold from a pump in the paddock was also courtesy of the Steam Packet Co, but higher octane than anything you could buy from a petrol station on the island, and still cheaper than pistons - so much of the lap is flat out that you used the best fuel (and plugs) you could get hold of.

When I went (as a crew member) with the Honda Superbike team, we took out own Elf race fuel, in big drums. There was controversy over this fuel, which most Superbike teams used. The regs said it had to be fuel 'readily available from a pump'. It was, but that pump was in the paddock at Silverstone! Even back then in the late 90's I think we worked out it was £64 per gallon - as we weren't paying for it ourselves we used to put it in the generators and paddock scooters (all Honda of course), just because it was convenient.  :o A Honda dealer we'd met on the Island showed me how to derestrict the scooters by plunging a hot soldering iron into an electrical module in just the right place - I ended up racing Ian Duffus down Bray Hill (ignoring the 30mph limit somewhat) on a pair of them, he thought it hilarious that he could smell the race fuel in my exhaust! I think the scooters eventually got sold to the security guys at Cadwell Park at the end of the season.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: royhall on December 05, 2020, 06:44:08 PM
It would be terrible for motorcycling not only for the UK but the rest of the world if the TT were to end for good.
I haven't been since 1999, not because I didn't want to go but because its so expensive and that is if you can get the accommodation and the ferry to coincide, 95% it's one or the other but never both! 3 years ago I had a hotel booked but had to wait for the ferry bookings to open some weeks later, when they did I  couldn't get a ferry within three days of the arrival or departure dates. And this was within 30 minutes of the ferry website opening!
The Steam Packet rip-off the TT, always have done and because they own the dock on the island no other company gets a look-in, you would think the IOM govt would step in considering the wealth it brings to their economy but I guess they are more keen to keep the place as a tax haven for the rich rather than have dirty, smelly motorbike riders hanging around.
I would go to both the TT and the Classic TT if I could and if it didn't cost an arm and a leg to get there.
There's always the Isle of Wight TT to look forward to if it ever gets off the ground.

I was told by Conner Cummins who has family that works for Steam Packet that the IOM Gov set the price not Steam Packet.
Steam Packet is owned by the Isle of Man government.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: bobv7 on December 05, 2020, 11:47:58 PM
The ferry service has always been a touchy subject but what I noticed when I last went is the missing B & Bs and how up market just about everything has gone. When I first went back in the 1970's the facilities would've made Wetherspoons and Poundland look posh.
Title: Re: TT 2021 Cancelled
Post by: royhall on December 06, 2020, 09:53:11 AM
We quit staying in Douglas years ago as there is nothing there anymore. We stay in Peel now as there are loads of pubs and cafés and they host events like bike shows and beach races, good chippy on the promenade as well. There's plenty of hotels and b&b and the town is small enough for everything to be easy walking distance. I believe Ramsey is pretty good as well.
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