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Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: Eyeguy on January 15, 2015, 09:45:32 AM
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Landed in my inbox this morning. I bought a Vultus last year, so am subscribed to Dream mAgazine, it appears!
http://www.dreammagazine.co.uk/motorcycle-museum/?s3campaign=HN_dream_enews_month_year_HM5228&s3advertiser=s3email&s3banner=motorcycle_museum&utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Celebrating%2040%20years%20of%20the%20Honda%20Gold%20Wing&utm_campaign=2015-01&utm_term=2015-01
Enjoy
ATG
Paul
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Thanks for posting :). Some mid-capacity model featuring heavily there... 8)
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Thanks for posting :). Some mid-capacity model featuring heavily there... 8)
Just what I was thinking Tom 8) 8) 8)
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When I worked at Dresda in the 70's, we had a turbo 400/4 in for some work, Julie. Not quite as good as we'd hoped, but still a lot of fun!
Cheers
ATG
Paul
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I have a small 'email forum' of four member CB250K restorers and the person who is restoring a Candy Red / White CB250K0 like mine has agreed to display his in the Museum once DS has sorted the insurance implications out. DS already has the 'Sardine Blue' ex James May 'Manlab' (sorry Julie!) CB250K0 bike but there are quite a few non-correct parts on it.
When the DS Museum opens, a nice place to stay is in Stradbroke ,which is not too far away from Leiston (less than 20 miles) in a quaint B&B owned by the 'Hales' Honda husband & wife pair Tony & Suzan ... biker friendly and secure place to leave your bike. (Hales Honda now defunct I think though :( ) Last time I stayed there he was restoring old pushbikes.
Ash
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When I worked at Dresda in the 70's, we had a turbo 400/4 in for some work, Julie. Not quite as good as we'd hoped, but still a lot of fun!
Cheers
ATG
Paul
Ooooh, not quite sure if I would like the idea of a Turbo'd 400, I suppose it would be OK if everyting else was upgraded on the bike as well, such as brakes !!!. If I wanted something that went faster or had more acceleration than an old 400/4, I wouldn't have a 400/4 these days. Would ride the Turbo for a laugh though ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Julie
Upgrades are funny things, I've come to appreciate. Having owned about four hundred bikes over the years, like many of us, ive been through the updating and improving phase. My first British bike was a commando that I spent thousands on, trying to eliminate the problems inherent with both the design and the technology of the time. I fitted a sooper dooper front end, twin discs, alloy rims in 18" to allow modern, wider tyres. I fitted jap carbs, belt drives and modern ignition and wiring/ instruments.
A friend remarked that the blend of old and new tech had resulted in either a shit modern bike or a shit British bike, which did I consider it to be. He was absolutely correct, of course. About two years ago I tested a Kawasaki H2 with ultra modern front end, monoshock rear, etc etc. I really tried to say something positive about it, but in the end scrapped the piece as it was just an old jap bike with 55bhp at the rear wheel that handled and stopped a little better than the original and had all the foibles extracted. A stock H2 is still shit, but at least it's a laugh to ride!
Back in the 70's the ONLY thing that seemed to matter was beating your mates in a straight line, handling was just about getting used to the individual bike and riding around the problems. The turbo 400/4 suffered from horrid lag, of course, but once wound up would do about 115mph. We had it for a Dresda swinging arm and Girling shock figment, plus the inevitable ( and still the most beautiful) Barcelona half fairing.
Ahh, them's were the days!
ATG
Paul
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Do you all realize we have contributed to this man having a museum?I get no loyalty for buying from him do you know this?
I am amazed the praise he gets sorry
Bitsa
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Do you all realize we have contributed to this man having a museum?I get no loyalty for buying from him do you know this?
I am amazed the praise he gets sorry
Bitsa
Don't worry Bitsa. Silver will be charging a small fortune to enter his museum which you payed for ;D ;D ;D
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Do you all realize we have contributed to this man having a museum?I get no loyalty for buying from him do you know this?
I am amazed the praise he gets sorry
Bitsa
Don't worry Bitsa. Silver will be charging a small fortune to enter his museum which you payed for ;D ;D ;D
Oh do stop keeping on Bitsa, the man's only earning a living ;D ;D ;D
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Yeah by ripping us off
Ask Ash how much he charged when he was how shall we say a little man and YOU thought 26 Quid for a couple of rubbers was a robbin git :(
Cheers
Bitsa
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Do you all (http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv71/mycircleoflife/Rofl.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/mycircleoflife/media/Rofl.gif.html)realize we have contributed to this man having a museum?I get no loyalty for buying from him do you know this?
I am amazed the praise he gets sorry
Bitsa
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Don't worry Bitsa. Silver will be charging a small fortune to enter his museum which you payed for ;D ;D ;D
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Silvers makes his money on postage ;)
That's why I ride down there it's only 55 miles one way ::)
Mick
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You are all correct his postage defines logic.
However, I recently gave away my spare pair of K0 250. very rare fork ears to a fellow restorer, cos I am that kind of guy, thinking I would never need them. Then I got my K1 and guess what was bent and knackered on them :( So only yesterday I searched the middle---286-- part number on DS Website and got a pair of NOS perfect, painted in the correct candy blue green ones for ten quid each .. absolute bargain. The guy on the phone even offered me one side with a slight scratch for 6 quid ! Those would fetch 60 quid a pair easily on eBay ... if you could find them..Iv'e never seen a pair on eBay in 6 years as they have no reflector holes, like the K2 onwards so 68/69 only. So I think there are still bargains to be had there.
What I think is really unfair is that guys like Graham who buy loads of parts, regularly are not allowed a trade account.
David at Saisei I am sure would discount us Genuine parts if Honda supplied him at trade. ;)
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I can't knock DSS - they are reliable & generally high quality. 2 things were instrumental in my two (quality) restorations; this forum (thanks Steve / you all)... and DSS (thanks David).
Of course I could spend hours on the Internet sourcing bits... only to pay customs / overseas postage... be conned.... be ripped off....waste time returning ... (done all of these - but generally happy to be fair); or I can just go to DSS & have the part in 3 days.
No-one has to buy from him; and with the Internet it is so easy not to. The fact that he's thriving suggests most folk are happy with what he provides.... he certainly does not give the impression he lives in some grand 'ouse with flash cars on the drive etc.
I'm not a businessman... but often realise how bloody expensive (thanks government / grubbing councils etc) running such an enterprise would be: business tariffs, staff, insurances, heating, rent... I guess the list goes on. Furthermore, who on here (Ash excepted) goes out of their way to source parts / make them easily available, and better still arrange out of stock parts re manufactured etc? ALL these parts don't appear out of thin air & likely have serious overheads to account for.
His postage costs might be high... but perhaps like me, he just wants minimum drama ... and reliability.
Too easy to knock him.... I tho' am grateful.
Simon (& nope, not related!!!)
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Hmm take your point Simon but when you look at some of the prices from German outfits selling new parts there is often a large discrepancy. It's like everything I suppose you just shop around. I do think when you are spending a grand or so you should get free or heavily discounted delivery but he ho he seemed a nice bloke when I met him at Stafford and even if we have to pay , where else are you going to see a collection of Honda's like he's getting together outside of Japan in his museum. All of the four bikes I am restoring/ have restored he has an example of (his is a sandcast 750 though :( ).. don't think he has a CD175 sloper however ...Frank beat him to that one. :D
Ash
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I've not got your massive experience in sourcing parts Ash, but realise David is more than a parts stocker / on-seller - ie he has the overheads of travelling to source parts, organising production runs, his museum.....etc... and these have to be factored in.
But as you say... if you object / don't like it then we're free to go elsewhere!
S
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When he was importing complete bikes i went and collected, shall we say a few, 550's in various states and got an incredible deal on some rare 500 parts whilst talking to the man himself.
Having brouht stuff in from the US myself and seen the import/shipping/tax costs I am still happy to deal with Dave, especially as he seems to stand behind all his parts extremely well
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Ha Ha .. Coincidentally look at this and see what he has to put up with to get us those NOS parts :D
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.937679606243232.1073741973.288952231115976&type=1
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Bloody scary... it seems one wrong move & someone might have been unecessarily 'wasted'!
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That made me giggle. Wonder if he had a spare pair of y-fronts with him. I know I'd have needed them...
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To be honest, on his position I'd sue the arse off them for wrongful arrest and police brutality! Then I'd close the american operation down, leaving the staff out of work, and get the hell out of that country full of lunatics>:D
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To be honest, on his position I'd sue the arse off them for wrongful arrest and police brutality! Then I'd close the american operation down, leaving the staff out of work, and get the hell out of that country full of lunatics>
Yea and then transfer all of the USA NOS parts to the UK for us to buy ;D
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The US Police shoot first and don't take any chances......as you do when so many people (villains in particular) also carry weapons.
A few years ago I stayed with my Brother in Marin County....just off the southern end of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco and when I asked him about crime in the area....he explained that since Number Plate recognition cameras were installed on the bridge, and because most cars which were not local (and from Oakland in particular - apparently a high crime area) were invariably stopped soon after crossing the bridge, the crime levels had dramatically fallen.
At least DS was able to tell the tale, and anyone visiting the US having read this article will be better prepared should they ever be stopped by the Police i.e. do exactly as you are told and don't make any sudden movements!
With regards to how DS conducts his business......we all want to get the best price for our efforts.....and if you don't like it you don't have to buy from him........yes I know there may not be much alternative choice (if any) but DS is only doing what many Owners Clubs have done.......commissioning the re-manufacture of scarce parts which have a ready or growing market and after the up front costs have been recovered, can make a profit.......albeit perhaps two or three years down the line.
The Vincent Owners Club have commissioned most parts to build complete (new) bikes and most Norton, BSA and Triumph replacement parts are available at reasonable prices keeping many classic bikes on the road 50 or 60 years later.
Ian from MOTAD suggested that the tooling to manufacture a run of exhaust pipes for CB's would cost around £25K......which illustrates the significant investment needed to get things off the ground.
Rather than being negative about such matters would members of this Forum consider joining forces with VJMC and/or HOC (and others) to review what vital parts might be economic to produce, and then working with Ian/DS/Saisai to re-manufacture them?
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Dave silvers is a business man, and a very shrewd one at that, you cant knock him for making money, sadly the fact is he does not reward loyalty nor does he do any sort of discount, i could live for a year on the amount of money i have spent with him, but then that was my choice , i do now prefer to use the german sites for stuff as they discount their stuff if you ask, and also because of the Euro alot of the stuff is cheaper from there
However there are some parts which silvers sells that other people just cant beat price wise, just seems anything with a demand he whacks up the price, i still use silvers and always will,but usually when i cant get a better deal anywhere else, its no skin of his nose as he has such a fan/customer base that a handful of little guys with little orders really dont affect him atal, the guy is now a living legend and can do what he likes
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Ha Ha .. Coincidentally look at this and see what he has to put up with to get us those NOS parts :D
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.937679606243232.1073741973.288952231115976&type=1
Those photo's look like a publicity stunt. Who is taking the photo's ??? ;)
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It does say there staged photos Trig
Mick
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It does say there staged photos Trig
Mick
I never believe everything i read, so did not read it ;D
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Interesting meander away from the initial topic, excellent work!
FWIW, I'm in retail myself, at least, a portion of my business is, and the whole regular customer discount thing is a bit of a strange one to me.
I've never met DS but have used his services many times over the years. He runs an excellent setup, with most of what a classic Homda might need to get fixed in stock, just one call away. The goods usually arrive within 48h and often even less. So, having invested all that time and energy into establishing a business that stocks stuff you can't easily and quickly get elsewhere, why the heck should he offer any discounts?
Some of my clients ask for a deal, as if they're bestowing their largesse on the hapless tradesperson as a favour. And we should tug our forelocks in hopeless gratitude. I know why they come to me, I'm the best, that's why and for no other reason. If they ask, they NEVER get one! If I'm feeling devilish, I might show them a kindness, but I do so because I like them and appreciate their business, not because they just spend money with us anyway.
As always, if you don't like the terms, then shop elsewhere, 'twas ever this, surely?
Not meant as a criticism of people I've never met, merely an observation, lease don't take offence.
Cheers
ATG
Paul
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Interesting read. Thanks for sharing. My dad ran a small pottery with manufacture and retail in 1 building, a friend runs a shop and cafe down the road from us. The overheads, particularly rates are outrageous even for a small building. Add wages and taxes and energy bills to that and you can see why companies based here might be at a disadvantage compared to somewhere where the fixed overheads are perhaps not so extreme. - our friend with the cafe has to find £15k a year for the rates before even thinking of paying the 10 or so workers and only at the end does she get to think about a wage for herself. Being the boss can be tough.
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DS asked me to post this video. It was surprisingly made and paid for by Honda UK. Please don't shoot me down in flames anyone, I am merely the unpaid, discount-less, messenger. He wants as many people to see it as possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmw3LB-lvvg
We all have our views but personally, if this opens in 2015 then it will be one of the highlights of my year! Suffolk is a nice county to visit anyway. One of the best holidays myself and Cathy had was to visit Suffolk (pick up a frame from Hales Honda ;D) , then on to Bournemouth, then Somerset, then Gloucestershire then Ironbridge and finally Liverpool.
Ash
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Thanks Ash, definitely a visit for me, my sister lives in Kent, so a long weekend will be planned.
Alan
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Ash I would like to come and meet up with you this year sometime , and then go onto we this museum, you are near to it arn't you?
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Ash I would like to come and meet up with you this year sometime , and then go onto we this museum, you are near to it arn't you?
That would be great Pete you are always welcome but Leiston is miles from me .. about 210 to be precise!
Ash
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I can never understand why Silver located in Leiston ?
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Aye, Cardiff would have been better
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Nothing wrong with Leiston I go there often for a healthy dose of radiation.
Mick
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Nothing wrong with Leiston I go there often for a healthy dose of radiation.
Mick
Then come back looking like you overdosed on readybrek ;D
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I'm only 6 mile from Bradwell so I don't really need a top up. ::)
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just Googled the location,it looks like I need to check the brakes incase I overshoot into the Northsea !!
about 240 miles each way for me,any B&B near there?
I guess he located there so all that visit run big miles on their Hondas,and he sells more spares !!
but,maybe I will take some time out and visit
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Only 110 miles for me ;)
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55 one way for me :P
Mick
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558 for me one way
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Nothing wrong with Leiston I go there often for a healthy dose of radiation.
Mick
Then come back looking like you overdosed on readybrek ;D
It looks like a few of us live very near to Nuclear power stations, Dungeness power station is about 1/2 mile down road from me, maybe there is a link between SOHC Honda owners and Nuclear power emissions (other than glowing in the dark that is) ;D ;D ;D. Leiston 300 mile round trip for me.
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just Googled the location,it looks like I need to check the brakes incase I overshoot into the Northsea !!
about 240 miles each way for me,any B&B near there?
I guess he located there so all that visit run big miles on their Hondas,and he sells more spares !!
but,maybe I will take some time out and visit
This is where I will stay. it's run by Tony and Suzan Hales (he used to deal in CB250/350's and raced them)
http://www.clickbedandbreakfast.co.uk/bed-and-breakfast4420.asp
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just Googled the location,it looks like I need to check the brakes incase I overshoot into the Northsea !!
about 240 miles each way for me,any B&B near there?
I guess he located there so all that visit run big miles on their Hondas,and he sells more spares !!
but,maybe I will take some time out and visit
This is where I will stay. it's run by Tony and Suzan Hales (he used to deal in CB250/350's and raced them)
http://www.clickbedandbreakfast.co.uk/bed-and-breakfast4420.asp
It states NO Pets Ash. That's me out ;D ;D ;D
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just Googled the location,it looks like I need to check the brakes incase I overshoot into the Northsea !!
about 240 miles each way for me,any B&B near there?
I guess he located there so all that visit run big miles on their Hondas,and he sells more spares !!
but,maybe I will take some time out and visit
This is where I will stay. it's run by Tony and Suzan Hales (he used to deal in CB250/350's and raced them)
http://www.clickbedandbreakfast.co.uk/bed-and-breakfast4420.asp
It states NO Pets Ash. That's me out ;D ;D ;D
This place only has 2 rooms.If I turn up at the same time as you and Ash are staying there, it might get a bit awkward with sharing ,............. I mean you and Ash sharing Trig ;D ;D ;D
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just Googled the location,it looks like I need to check the brakes incase I overshoot into the Northsea !!
about 240 miles each way for me,any B&B near there?
I guess he located there so all that visit run big miles on their Hondas,and he sells more spares !!
but,maybe I will take some time out and visit
This is where I will stay. it's run by Tony and Suzan Hales (he used to deal in CB250/350's and raced them)
http://www.clickbedandbreakfast.co.uk/bed-and-breakfast4420.asp
It states NO Pets Ash. That's me out ;D ;D ;D
This place only has 2 rooms.If I turn up at the same time as you and Ash are staying there, it might get a bit awkward with sharing ,............. I mean you and Ash sharing Trig ;D ;D ;D
I am not fussy, i will take the bath ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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just Googled the location,it looks like I need to check the brakes incase I overshoot into the Northsea !!
about 240 miles each way for me,any B&B near there?
I guess he located there so all that visit run big miles on their Hondas,and he sells more spares !!
but,maybe I will take some time out and visit
This is where I will stay. it's run by Tony and Suzan Hales (he used to deal in CB250/350's and raced them)
http://www.clickbedandbreakfast.co.uk/bed-and-breakfast4420.asp
I am guessing,but I expect the local B&B would network,and sort out multiple bookings,
do we know when the DSS Museum will be opening?
and we could do a forum rideout/meeting,
I would plan on a days travel,and day at the museum,and travel back on the third day,those living closer could sort their own travel plans,
if sharing is involved,no snorers for me !!
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I think silver's museum will not be open until late September or October of this year.
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I turned up there on route to Bournemouth etc. to pick up a frame in a hatchback. They never told me it was in fact a complete rolling chassis. So I was up at 4am with some tools Tony loaned me to strip it down . understanding missus and all that ! :D
Ash
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258 miles from me, doubt very much I will be there anytime soon.
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If there is an entrance fee will never go there clients should be free.
Bitsa
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If there is an entrance fee will never go there clients should be free.
Bitsa
Yer Bitsa, in your dreams. You also get a free service kit for your bike as a welcome ;D ;D ;D
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Asked the question on his Facebook
Ash
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Asked the question on his Facebook
Ash
What ? If we get a free service kit ;D
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I would be happy with free entry ;) ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
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I would be happy with free entry ;) ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
Your happy with anything that comes for free. At least i push the boat out at 99p ;D
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Asked the question on his Facebook
Ash
Reply:
David Silver Spares replied to your comment on their photo.
David Silver Spares
31 January at 02:47
Hi Ashley, This is under review. If there is going to be one it will only be a small contribution to costs, possibly around £5.
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Well that's stuffed you and me Trig. ;) A fiver? sooner have a part for the same cost no scrap that could not afford the post ;D They have musees here and there free well all the ones I have been to.
Cheers
Bitsa
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Anyone been to the Beatles museum in Liverpool... now they do know how to charge !
BTW when I posted this site link onto his FB page it came up with the Saisei logo !
Ash
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Was he chuffed Ash? ;)
Cheers
Ralph
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BTW when I posted this site link onto his FB page it came up with the Saisei logo !
That's because Saisei sponsor us and DSS doesn't...
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Why wont he Steve? Tight git? ;) ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
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It's just up the road from my mother-in-laws so I'm in the area a lot...would be great to go to with the kiddies but I'm not sure I would stump up a fiver for the privelege - but it would get me into the shop more so would be more likely to buy bits whilst I was there.
There's also a steam engine museum in Leiston but the £5 charge for that has always put moe off visiting - might be rubbish and I bet they wouldn't give me a refund!