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Title: Money pit
Post by: mike the bike on September 27, 2020, 07:18:49 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB400-F-supersport-1977/143758581915?hash=item2178ade09b:g:-DcAAOSwUUJfcLHq

Anyone fancy a project?   One careful owner. 

The other 20 weren't as careful
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: Athame57 on September 27, 2020, 07:45:39 PM
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If that were a horse they would shoot it! But at £200.oo maybe it is worth it for spares to some people?
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: SteveW on September 27, 2020, 08:01:26 PM
Why does the second pic remind me of a naughty dog facing the wall?
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: robvangulik on September 27, 2020, 08:04:29 PM
I think mine was worse when I got it. All parts are there, and then some more too ;D
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: cooleronthecoast on September 27, 2020, 09:23:20 PM
Been there, done it, got the T shirt.
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: mike the bike on September 27, 2020, 10:45:22 PM
Mine was s lot worse than that after being nicked, crashed, burned, the Police had it in their compound for a year, then it was gathering rust and dust in my mate's garage for another 19 years.
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: royhall on September 28, 2020, 07:14:02 AM
It's probably a decent starting point for a project, it looks to be fairly complete. And who can argue about the price, although it will go for way more than that.
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: Bryanj on September 28, 2020, 08:16:09 AM
400N front end with twin discs
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: Athame57 on September 28, 2020, 09:29:51 AM
400N front end with twin discs
Like the Kawasaki Z400J I got conned with....a Z500J front end. At least you sort of get two for the price of one!
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: royhall on September 28, 2020, 10:48:49 AM
400N front end with twin discs
A common upgrade that. At least it will stop.
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on September 28, 2020, 03:06:41 PM
Why is there no V5 how can the seller prove he even owns it,  has a legitimate title to the bike, that it is not stolen or an insurance write off ?
No rear photo showing a registration mark?
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: mike the bike on September 28, 2020, 07:00:40 PM
Another common upgrade; a pair of air horns on the handlebars 😃
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: allankelly1 on September 28, 2020, 08:57:28 PM
400N front end with twin discs
A common upgrade that. At least it will stop.

Nowt wrong with that upgrade

Done it on mine but used the original front hub so that you get a spoked wheel but with a twin disc set up from a CB400N as the comstars are a bit horrible looking and don’t suit the bike at all

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Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: mike the bike on September 28, 2020, 09:29:51 PM
You managed to bolt 2 CB400N discs onto a 400four hub?
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: Green1 on September 28, 2020, 09:47:17 PM
Why is there no V5 how can the seller prove he even owns it,  has a legitimate title to the bike, that it is not stolen or an insurance write off ?
No rear photo showing a registration mark?

The V5 is not proof of ownership it is a log of registered keepers I have bought and sold vans and bikes without them.
I am the registered keeper of my sisters car but not the legal owner and I have recently bought a Transit tipper it is registered with a building firm but I am the legal owner.
A bill of sale is all thats needed.
Title: Money pit
Post by: allankelly1 on September 28, 2020, 09:47:53 PM
Hi Mike

Yes it is possible but it takes a bit of work and thought

The main change as well as forks, lower sliders, modifying the discs to a four bolt mount and refurbing the CB400N calipers is that the speedo drive on a CB400N is on the other side (And also it has an angle so the speedo drive cable misses the disc) so you need to make up a new drive for the original CB400f hub and fix it to the hub on the LH side  (when sitting on the bike) rather than on the original RH side. Plus the CB400N speedo drive itself is modified (I needed to reduce its width by about 5mm so that it fits in the space left but keeping the wheel central to the forks

Some pic below of the modification

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End result is rather pleasing to the eye and does not look out of place on a bike like this

Almost factory looking

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If you need any more info happy to share the change in more detail

Best wishes Al


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Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: Green1 on September 28, 2020, 09:55:53 PM
Looks stock I like it. Does it make a noticeable differance?
Or do you just get Twice the squeal  ;D
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: royhall on September 28, 2020, 09:59:44 PM
Nice work there. Are those the same calipers as the 750F2? If so, they will stand that bike on it's nose.
Title: Money pit
Post by: allankelly1 on September 28, 2020, 10:09:50 PM
Hi Green1

No squeal yet

Not sure on the difference as when I got the bike the front end was really bad and on a strip down it was very badly maintained (Note the missing bolts) and never bothered to sort as already planned a non standard front end as the bike was never going to be standard / original bike

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I am sure a well set up single would work ok  but floating fist type calipers remove the need to setup / manually adjust the inner pad clearance  to get it to work correctly and also with the CB400N pads there is more surface area so braking efficiency is improved

Also with the modification should you wish I think this change will give you more disc options (EBC) and other better pad materials to chose from if you need something better

Never understood why Honda used such a basic/ primitive setup and you can understand when the RD350LC came out in 1980 it was such a success as the brakes on my RD are really the same as on the modified Honda but just fitted with EBC full floaters to improve things without the need to change over to a more modern calipers as want to still keep the period look

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Stay safe all

Best wishes Al


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Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: Laverda Dave on September 28, 2020, 11:53:31 PM
This is what I err,..... purchased to begin my 400/4 restoration in 2016. The previous owner bought a 'complete' (or so he thought) 400/4, stripped it down into several lumps and lost interest.
I bought it on eBay and spent two years restoring it. Anything can be restored if you throw time and money at it, just don't expect to get either back! I would definitely do it again though, great fun and I learnt a lot.
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: royhall on September 29, 2020, 05:36:09 AM
Lovely job on that Dave. Always liked the blue ones.
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 01, 2020, 02:24:20 PM
Why is there no V5 how can the seller prove he even owns it,  has a legitimate title to the bike, that it is not stolen or an insurance write off ?
No rear photo showing a registration mark?

The V5 is not proof of ownership it is a log of registered keepers I have bought and sold vans and bikes without them.
I am the registered keeper of my sisters car but not the legal owner and I have recently bought a Transit tipper it is registered with a building firm but I am the legal owner.
A bill of sale is all thats needed.

Agreed but you can't apply for a duplicate log book if you are not the current keeper - DVLA will not easily disclose keeper details (unless your a private car park parasite chasing an unpaid ticket) so you can contact the last registered keeper.
How do you break this circle and get a V5 ? DVLA & police  advice is pretty firm that you should not  purchase a vehicle without  sight of the V5 in the name of the owner/keeper and are in receipt of the V5C/2 New Keeper Section.

This is without even thinking about stuff like folk who get a  Log Book Loan and then sell a vehicle or when there is outstanding finance etc. As a retired Custody Sergeant I am only too aware of the dishonesty that is out there.

Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: Bryanj on October 01, 2020, 03:16:41 PM
You can, or at least could, apply for a log book as not the current keeper but you had to wait for DVLA to write to the "registered" person telling him that somebody had applied for one and did he mind, they then waited about 6 weeks and if no reply issued the V5
Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: Charlie J on October 01, 2020, 04:59:29 PM
I bought my project bike without a log book. I filled in DVLA form V62 with my details together with the frame and registration numbers and sent it off with a cheque for £25. I got an acknowledgement from DVLA saying that my application should be processed on 01st October and a V5C issued to me. So, hopefully I should receive my new log book in the next few days.
Title: Money pit
Post by: allankelly1 on October 01, 2020, 05:06:34 PM
Just for info

Many years ago I sold a car to the motor trade and a few months later I got a letter from the DVLA saying somebody had applied for the v5 and if I did not reply the v5 would be issue to them

Best wishes always Al


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Title: Re: Money pit
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 01, 2020, 05:19:45 PM
You can, or at least could, apply for a log book as not the current keeper but you had to wait for DVLA to write to the "registered" person telling him that somebody had applied for one and did he mind, they then waited about 6 weeks and if no reply issued the V5

I did not know that - makes sense really when vehicles move within the trade and V5's get lost.
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