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CB750 / Re: F2 brake caliper pins
« on: October 24, 2014, 07:22:37 PM »
I am told they take up the thermal expansion and also act as a damper? Having thought about it for a while, I approached the problem from another angle and have managed to sort it. Just checked out which other Honda's used the same part, the CX500 was the best one. Went onto eBay and somebody was selling the used CX500 slider pins that I required at a very reasonable £20 for all three. After hours of searching for CB750 items without luck, jobs done. Easy once you figure it out, I guess most manufactures use identical parts in many models to save costs. A lesson I shall remember in the future. Thanks all.

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CB750 / Re: F2 brake caliper pins
« on: October 24, 2014, 03:12:27 PM »
Thanks. Just checked out CMS, and £97.66p delivered for three little slider pins is a bit steep. I have the pins but for some reason the rubber parts are not on them. Think the PO must have taken them off as the pins have been chromed. Why they would chrome the slider pins that are hidden behind the boots is anybodies guess . Its left me with an expensive problem if its not possible to replace just the rubbers. Am tempted to try to replace them if I can find some details of rubber type and hardness etc. Was hoping there would be a tested fix that someone had come up with for this as playing with the braking system may not be my best idea this year. Will give it a bit longer, you never know what you can find out on Google. Thanks all. Cheers.

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CB750 / Re: F2 brake caliper pins
« on: October 23, 2014, 05:32:43 PM »
Thanks for the reply Spitfire. Didn't make myself very clear on the rubber bits, sorry. Its not the gaiters that I need, its the rubber sleeve that goes directly onto the shaft of Pin-B and sits in the recess. Not sure these are available, the pin-B's certainly aren't. Not sure what to do about that, maybe try some rubber tubing or perhaps get some solid ones made. Anybody got any ideas, I guess somebody has encountered this before. Cheers

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CB750 / F2 brake caliper pins
« on: October 22, 2014, 08:23:40 PM »
Hi. Reassembling the old F2 that came to me in a million boxes. Am putting the brake calipers on and have discovered that I am missing a Pin A and the rubbers on all three Pin B's (45132-410-006) are not there. Does anybody know if the rubbers are available anywhere, or if not is there a fix for this. Also does anybody have a spare Pin A (45131-410-006) I could buy. Cheers

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 27, 2014, 09:18:59 AM »
You know 'Bike Pusher' your probably right about the 'Simple maths' quote being nonsense.

Had recently read an article about the birth of the Superbike in an old American magazine where it compared various models such as the CB750/Z1/GT750 etc and that is what started my train of thought. The reasoning in that article of why it sold so much better than the competition was due to the cheap price. Apparently they not only matched the Triumphs price but beat it by a good margin.

But you know, they never mentioned your points about labour costs, exchange rates etc. The assertion from the article was that the CB was deliberately built down to a price point (maybe some degree of truth in that) but any successful product needs to hit a price target. And like I said earlier "As a corporate decision it was a master stroke that almost single handedly broke the British bike industry".

Have thought about that article for a while now, and read the comments on here, especially the comments about using tried and tested technology, Yes, I think I may have been wrong about the CB750, and that article was just full of biased bull**** There, said it. Isn't it cr** being wrong LOL.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 24, 2014, 04:58:50 PM »
Sorry if my comments ruffled a few feathers, forgot it was a Honda forum. LOL.  However the as I stated earlier the design brief for the CB was to be as cheap as the triumph. Simple maths dictates that you cannot build an OHC four with electric start and all the modern stuff for the same price as a pushrod twin without making some compromises. An example of that is the cam carrier ie. the oil hole is direct onto the cam with only a thou or two clearance for any debris coming down the line to get through, this results in the blockages and cam trashing. Surely a radial slot around the centre of the journal about 20 thou deep (like a big end bearing) would allow somewhere for the debris to go so it does not block the oilway. Cant be that hard, can it? Remember also that the CB and Z1 launches were only 3 years apart which really makes them the same era.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 24, 2014, 06:57:44 AM »
The problem with the CB750 was in the original design spec. The designers were told in the mid 60s that the CB had to be in the USA showrooms at the same price or less than the Triumph Bonneville. As a corporate decision it was a master stroke that almost single handedly broke the British bike industry. But from an engineering point of view it left the CB hopelessly compromised ie. cheap to manufacture. Hence the plain main/big end bearings, no shells for the cam, small ends straight in the conrods, plain primary chains, a frame that wont allow cam cover removal etc, etc. The Kawasaki 900 engine was designed to be the the best it could be (with 70s technology) and was far more expensive new than the CB. This cheap and simple engineering is what we are now fighting against 40 years on.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 23, 2014, 08:01:44 AM »
Did a bit of research on that. Looks like its the same part number from the K2 to F2 but I guess there could have been a delta change during that amount of time, who knows. Taken a chance on the American eBay part as it looks identical and in good nick in the pictures. Seller says its good nick as well. If it turns out to be junk when it arrives, I would be happy to pay you for the part Ash, no problem. I know what you mean about a rainy day part though, these things are now rocking horse to find and its going to get worse as the used parts get used up. Did find a few new ones on the net (all America) but they were 250 dollars upwards. Hopfully some entrepreneur will jump in and re-manufacture.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 22, 2014, 09:31:29 PM »
Yeah I am expecting a hit from import duty etc. The bottom line though is I just could not find a good used one anywhere else. There's a few on a Dutch breakers site but the caps are missing and as you know they are line bored so without the original caps they are just scrap. Are these things possible to repair at any sort of affordable price, because these will start to become a major headache for CB750 owners pretty soon. Back to the 1000 mile oil change regime I guess.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 22, 2014, 03:22:56 PM »
Bryan. Many thanks for your offer to help on my cam problem. I have this morning managed to find a good quality replacement carrier complete with caps on American eBay. And for the princely sum of £27 plus £29 P&P, a good price I think. So that will be going on as soon as it arrives, and hopefully problem solved. Thanks again for your help.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 22, 2014, 08:15:23 AM »
Thanks Bryan will give you a ring Tuesday after 8pm. Cheers Roy.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:37:23 PM »
Anybody got a good quality spare cam carrier with caps (12010-410-000) that they are willing to part with for some cash. Would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:14:33 PM »
The cam is actually very good. But it would be as its much harder than the soft alloy, and its not picked up at all. Are these carriers still available new, as an eBay item may be no better than mine. If it needs changing now's the time I guess whilst its still on the bench. Cheers.

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CB750 / Re: Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 21, 2014, 06:29:36 PM »
Have included a photo, hope its clear enough. Its the journal on the right hand side, the end float journal. Have cleaned it up with very fine wet & dry (absolute minimum) and checked with engineers blue (full contact with just the scores not bluing). If you run your finger nail across it, fine scores can be felt. Made the decision earlier to go ahead and assemble the engine which is now done. The engine turns over with a socket very freely with nothing binding. All the oilways have been run through with a guitar string, carb cleaner jet, then compressed air. Fingers crossed it will be okay. The decision was made easier because there is a frame kit fitted to the bike, so I can strip the top end in situ. Hope its all okay though. What do you think? Cheer Roy.

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CB750 / Cam carrier damage.
« on: September 20, 2014, 05:48:36 PM »
Hi. Just putting the top end back on an F2. Whilst cleaning all the parts and clearing out the oil drillings, I have found some damage to one of the journals on a cam carrier. The oil feed hole was partially blocked and that I assume was the cause. I have dressed the journal lightly with very fine wet & dry and there is definite scoring evident. How much damage can be safely accepted on this part, and if replacement is required would I have to replace both carriers and the cam? Cheers.

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