Post by: JamesH on September 13, 2017, 05:58:04 PM
As discovered:
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Goodwood Revival 2017:
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Post by: Johnwebley on September 13, 2017, 06:06:26 PM
interesting to note the style ,trying to mirror 60's big twins ,and before the "candy" bright paint work,
a friend locally has a later disc braked USA import .
very nice
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 13, 2017, 06:45:54 PM
This delightful lady has the ideal item for you to convert it to a British model ;D ;D ;D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172861287723?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Post by: Trigger on September 13, 2017, 08:05:45 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 13, 2017, 08:35:25 PM
What happened to the Black bomber owners club/ UK forum ? I can always remember the page with a line up of bikes.
There is a Facebook closed group .. James & myself are on there.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/19998773432/
Post by: JamesH on September 13, 2017, 09:39:34 PM
great pictures James,Thanks John. It was a bit of a lucky find from a contact in the states I don't normally deal with. I jumped on it (albeit slightly impulsively) as I'd always admired them / wanted one. I also have a '68 CL450 So they make an interesting pair. Turned out to be a superb buy. I need to get some proper photos taken of her when it's not pissing down.
interesting to note the style ,trying to mirror 60's big twins ,and before the "candy" bright paint work,
a friend locally has a later disc braked USA import .
very nice
Post by: JamesH on September 13, 2017, 09:41:40 PM
Brilliant find James .... has later 'flip' front seat (never imported here) and not a Fuji Electric speedo/tacho (Nippon Seiki instead). I believe MickT told me that Honda UK imported a large batch in 1966 and they sold badly with bikes unsold even into the 70's so they didn't import any more. (I know someone who's Bomber was1st reg'd a L reg. I often wonder if that was the reason Honda UK were then reticent and didn't import the CB750 until Jan 1970and and even then, in very small batches initially.Ha ha ash as tempting as it is to pass her off as a Uk bike, she so beautifully unmolested I'd rather just keep her 'as-is'.
This delightful lady has the ideal item for you to convert it to a British model ;D ;D ;D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172861287723?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
As you know, my mate Andy is restoring a Bomber at the moment, so she's on permanent loan to him so he has a reference to-hand of an unmolested example.
Post by: royhall on September 14, 2017, 07:24:56 AM
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Post by: Trigger on September 14, 2017, 07:31:22 AM
Post by: Woodside on September 14, 2017, 07:37:07 AM
Ive had a later 450 and a cl450 and they were stonking bikes but i love the looks of the BB..
Id love a good used original one as i think they age really well
Post by: Orcade-Ian on September 14, 2017, 07:50:52 AM
Just on with the engine out of my other 400/4 - has anyone ever stripped a 350 or 400/4 and found the cam chain horseshoe undamaged? Out of a dozen or more of these engines I've done I never found one perfect one.
I shall lurk in the background of the Bomber folk - you never know I might find a good 'un one day,
Ian
Post by: royhall on September 14, 2017, 08:00:08 AM
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Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 14, 2017, 09:09:43 AM
Plus I will contribute to the Bomber thread when I get all of the bits together and lay them out .. a real labour of love as the bike and the CB72 that came with it was scattered all over the place and mixed together with other bike parts. Beware if you buy one though as many parts are hens teeth/RHPoo items plus there are loads of people hoarding the parts thinking they are holding the Queens jewels .. which is a real shame ... kettle738 on here was owner of the 'Royal Bomber'.... twice ! ...... but I will leave him to tell that very interesting story. He's owned quite a few, so a bit of a guru on them.
I know I have linked these before but just compare the Bomber road test and the reviews of other Hondas around that time... Not the best review and hardly enough to send 60's UK bikers out in their droves to buy 'em. Personally I loved the look of the K1 .. particularly the tank plus it's 5 speed box. The Bomber crank is unique .. a really unusual construction for Honda .. a bit like a race crank really.
Sorry some a big scan files ..perhaps James could convert them all to one document !
Bomber Review:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3r1028k5qhub4rk/AABibmd3hvrD4bMbLDBk86Rpa?dl=0
CB72 Review
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1ly92qmzivx1ina/AAD4TwKvGkiEs14baZ_2krIGa?dl=0
CB77 Review
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3tfcttyg9iop2le/AAAxZlwOE_FV5aUtVly3HZqda?dl=0
CB250K0 Review
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/aostg1ai2kf2oli/AAAEIMer-LyxCz6Bc6XQEqQna?dl=0
CD175A Sloper Review
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1g45lhqdvjrqn5j/AAAdhcpSluIrpBVlMghLuYppa?dl=0
Post by: royhall on September 14, 2017, 04:34:52 PM
Looks like a very good start for a restoration. Don't have mine anymore, sold it on in 2013 :'(It is actually a very complete bike but in need of the full works. Some parts like the front mudguard are beyond salvation so am on the lookout for bits. It's a genuine 1967 UK bike with loads of old paperwork with it. That's the advantage of buying a bike off Ash, it's always going to be a well researched unit and this one is no exception. I am very pleased with the purchase and am looking forwards to getting on with it.
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Post by: JamesH on September 14, 2017, 06:00:35 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 14, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
That was a great buy and you're right Ron you were lucky to get that from Ash...my mate Andy's bike is way less complete and needs ££££ spending on it...
HA HA ..I thought I sold it to a guy called ROY ... Jamey ;D ;D
Roy ...I just got a NOS in box Genuine front mudguard for mine in Japan...happy bunny!
My second reserve was this one below but it would need de-chroming and importing (perhaps somebody on here may know a cheap import route into the UK). The pattern ones (inc. David Silvers) have rolled front and rear edges which is incorrect. I also have one that I swapped with James's mate for other parts but it's not great around the centre brace. Yours for free if you want it though.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-CB-450-CB450-Black-Bomber-Front-Fender-Braces-279-/371912962047?hash=item5697bd6fff:g:DNQAAOSwWxNYrcIC&vxp=mtr
Post by: JamesH on September 14, 2017, 10:25:27 PM
Post by: royhall on September 15, 2017, 07:54:43 AM
Ooops sorry Roy. Senior moment ha ha...Ron's okay, been called much worse than that ;D .... I was looking at the DS mudguard with a view to cutting off the front and back rolled edge, but now I'm not so sure that a rolled edge is such a bad thing..... I'm probably not as into "perfect" as I know you are Ash, although it's early days yet so a good genuine item may appear as it did for you..... I am also looking into just replacing the blade as the stays are good.... Will give it some more thought when i've started the project.... Thanks for the offer by the way.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 15, 2017, 08:27:00 AM
Ooops sorry Roy. Senior moment ha ha...Ron's okay, been called much worse than that ;D .... I was looking at the DS mudguard with a view to cutting off the front and back rolled edge, but now I'm not so sure that a rolled edge is such a bad thing..... I'm probably not as into "perfect" as I know you are Ash, although it's early days yet so a good genuine item may appear as it did for you..... I am also looking into just replacing the blade as the stays are good.... Will give it some more thought when i've started the project.... Thanks for the offer by the way.
OK Ray :)... Pretty sure you could fabricate a front stay... they are very 'agricultural' ..that's what I was going to do. I don't think cutting the rolled edge would create the correct effect .... better to leave it rolled IMHO. Another option is to get Eric in Vietnam to make a double-cut blade (he makes rolled edge ones too) He made me an unchromed blade for my 750K0 and once chromed here it turned out looking really nice. I have his details somewhere.
Post by: Orcade-Ian on September 15, 2017, 09:00:20 AM
Are there no skilled metalworkers in your area - perhaps ex Aerospace, who could let a piece in the bad area behind the forks? Or perhaps it's too much like lace curtains. My 350 Norton guard looked worse than your Bomber one but a couple of carefully let in patches, a good dose of patient straightening, soon had it ready for a thin skim of modern body filler (Upol No 1). I appreciate it's nowhere near as easy if you are chroming but a painted original guard for me is better than mega money for an illusive new one or copy.
Ian
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 15, 2017, 09:18:21 AM
Hi Roy,
Are there no skilled metalworkers in your area - perhaps ex Aerospace, who could let a piece in the bad area behind the forks? Or perhaps it's too much like lace curtains. My 350 Norton guard looked worse than your Bomber one but a couple of carefully let in patches, a good dose of patient straightening, soon had it ready for a thin skim of modern body filler (Upol No 1). I appreciate it's nowhere near as easy if you are chroming but a painted original guard for me is better than mega money for an illusive new one or copy.
Ian
Pretty sure that may be possible with the spare I have Ian but I think the one on Roy's is basically B.E.R. Bonus is that his rear one is in really nice condition .. .. probably slightly better than the one I have for mine. Rearguards are 'Hens teeth' items too and harder to reproduce.
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 15, 2017, 09:25:38 AM
Save using one thread for everything.
No problem for me if there is enough interest.
Steve
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 15, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 15, 2017, 09:32:52 AM
One feature I do find on other forums though is an extended 'latest' posts feature. If you go away on Holiday for a week and come back here, then you have to trawl through the various categories to find 'newish' ones you missed that have already gone from 'Recent Topics' . Or am I missing something?
Post by: royhall on September 15, 2017, 09:34:08 AM
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Post by: hairygit on September 15, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
Post by: MrDavo on September 15, 2017, 03:44:12 PM
As a teenager, once I had become interested in bikes and engineering, I borrowed various workshop and owners manuals from my local library, unusually one of the modern 'state of the art' bikes they had a manual for was the CB450 (which shows how long ago I was a teenager ;D ). The thing that stuck in my mind was the torsion bar valve 'springs'. I get how a spring works, but I could never get my head round torsion bars - if you keep twisting and untwisting a piece of metal, why doesn't it get metal fatigue and break? Or a least stop being as 'springy'? Also, why? is it cheaper to make or does it give better control like desmos, ie no valve bounce at high revs?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 15, 2017, 04:00:14 PM
You need to be on the forum home page, rather than your own profile page
Gottcha cheers!
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 15, 2017, 04:06:22 PM
I only rode a Black Bomber once, as a student in UMIST bike club in the 70's we'd go up the Cat & Fiddle for a club run, where we'd all swap bikes at the pub and go for test rides. God knows who was insured for what, noone asked. Up there was also the first time I rode a Commando, Suzuki RE5 rotary, 500 and 750 Kawasaki triples, a CB400 and who knows what else.
As a teenager, once I had become interested in bikes and engineering, I borrowed various workshop and owners manuals from my local library, unusually one of the modern 'state of the art' bikes they had a manual for was the CB450 (which shows how long ago I was a teenager ;D ). The thing that stuck in my mind was the torsion bar valve 'springs'. I get how a spring works, but I could never get my head round torsion bars - if you keep twisting and untwisting a piece of metal, why doesn't it get metal fatigue and break? Or a least stop being as 'springy'? Also, why? is it cheaper to make or does it give better control like desmos, ie no valve bounce at high revs?
See section 3 here Dave (pic is a snip from it)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/stqw7jm89xtt1rz/CB450%20Factory%20Service%20Manual%20.pdf?dl=0
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Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 15, 2017, 04:23:13 PM
stress strain curves :)
Post by: K2-K6 on September 15, 2017, 04:26:55 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 15, 2017, 05:59:53 PM
Takes me back...
stress strain curves :)
What ..to the days you too wore an anorak Steve ..!..
Post by: Woodside on September 15, 2017, 07:24:00 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 15, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 15, 2017, 07:53:54 PM
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Post by: Orcade-Ian on September 15, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
I do think there was a guy at Hawker Siddeley who had one when I was serving my apprenticeship - he would have been mates with John Peacock and Roy Wilson but can't bring his name to mind. I'll ask Keith Horsfield if he remembers any - it was Keith who first turned up on a new 400/4 when the best I'd ever had was a C12 Beezer. I also remember one at Ritchie's scrap emporium, perhaps it was the same one you saw. Ken Waslin (Lucas and Waslin, Hardy Street) had one in for something bigger than a normal service but don't know who owned it.
The Hull library and Archive has the registration records which were supposed to be destroyed - perhaps a visit might turn something up quite easily with such an unusual cylinder capacity.
K2-K6 beat me to the fact that coil springs are torsion springs if you consider just one small piece of the coil.
Ian
Post by: K2-K6 on September 15, 2017, 09:01:59 PM
We wound small springs out of piano wire when apprentices, which of course demonstrated (when used for its original purpose) the resonance side of the material at differing levels.
Most of F1 and many other race cars use torsion bars for suspension nowadays. Also virtually every single road car is fitted with anti roll bars which are a free floating torsion bar linked to opposite wheels of the car.
I do think they are a curious choice for valve spring duty though.
Post by: Orcade-Ian on September 15, 2017, 09:25:18 PM
Seriously though I served my apprenticeship with Hawker Siddeley Aviation in Brough, Yorkshire starting in the mid 60's, Beverley Transporters, Buccaneers, Harrier Wing and others.
Yes, perhaps a strange application for valve springs and Moggy Minor front suspension!!
Ian
Post by: Bryanj on September 15, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
Post by: Sgt.Pinback on September 16, 2017, 03:04:17 PM
that bike is just outstanding and in good hands! Lovely patina.
Now I need one.
I have a NOS owners manual (in German) and a (German) sale brochure that I want to chare with you
Post by: JamesH on September 16, 2017, 03:06:31 PM
Post by: Sgt.Pinback on September 16, 2017, 03:20:17 PM
I have one, but not sure if it for CB72/77 or 450 as well
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 16, 2017, 05:06:00 PM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jj3kxdzg2k8rklb/Honda%20CB450%20K0%20Parts%20List%20Manual.pdf?dl=0
CB72 winkers similar (lens same Part no) but different centre part nos for both models. Have not had chance to scan my Green CB72/77 Parts book yet .. but USA CB77 is in my Dropbox.
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Post by: Sgt.Pinback on September 16, 2017, 05:32:25 PM
just digged a little big deeper tp source that and found the 1966 shop manual and 1966 parts book.
Def. have to find the corresponding bike
BTW, Ash: check your e-mail, found a CB250 tank
Post by: Orcade-Ian on September 16, 2017, 06:17:34 PM
The lenses look very much like the ones on my GB 400 and GB 500TT's - before anyone asks, both now sold and I wish I hadn't ☹️
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 16, 2017, 07:25:27 PM
I rather like those indicators - perhaps I should start trawling for some for my CB77.
The lenses look very much like the ones on my GB 400 and GB 500TT's - before anyone asks, both now sold and I wish I hadn't ☹️
Your other option (which if indicators had been fitted to UK bikes they would probably be this type) are Japanese market which are generally much more readily available Ian. Widely available as pattern parts in Japan too.
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c618184463
German parts are:
33401-268-612 & 33450-268-611 (square type lens type) Front
33400-268-613 & 33443-268-611 (circular type lens type ) Front
33650-268-610 & 33600-268-610 (square type lens) Rear
Rear circular lots of individual part numbers but bases are 33655-268-611 & 33605-268-611
Attached is a '64 JDM with their version (look nicer IMHO) ...silencers wrong though !
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Post by: Orcade-Ian on September 16, 2017, 08:17:32 PM
Ian
Post by: royhall on September 19, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 20, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
What the heck happened to this mess. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CB450-444cc-1968-THIS-IS-A-UK-MACHINE-VERY-RARE-BIKE-/322465960499?hash=item4b14781233:g:bEMAAOSwB4NWzX7n
That's the one that I saw at the auction house/museum in Thornton-le-Dale Roy and trust me it looks worse in the flesh. James's mate Andy (Bomber too) saw it at a show/autojumble down south earlier this year and told me what a pile it was, before I chanced upon it and realised it was the same bike. Chroming of tank panels has horrid !
Does anyone know the seller in Cheshire ?? Think he's called Laurence...Richard ( RGP750) got his 500/4 from him and I gather he's been around for a long time.
Just checked and Andy saw it at Kempton Park in March this year ...see attached
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Post by: royhall on September 20, 2017, 03:52:17 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 20, 2017, 04:01:38 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB-450-CB450-Black-Bomber-Project-Barn-Find-1966-/222634289788?hash=item33d609aa7c:g:9jQAAOSwbD9ZrWzL
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB450-CB-450-Black-Bomber-BARN-FIND-Winter-Restoration-Project-/322676267865?hash=item4b21011b59:g:NRAAAOSw2mJZnvPK
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB450-CB-450-Black-Bomber-1966-BARN-FIND-US-Import-A-MUST-SEE-/222644628926?hash=item33d6a76dbe:g:NCYAAOSwD6xZumaz
Post by: royhall on September 20, 2017, 04:47:29 PM
Post by: pistonbroke 66 on September 20, 2017, 04:51:53 PM
A few more 'Gems' for you Roy ... ;D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB-450-CB450-Black-Bomber-Project-Barn-Find-1966-/222634289788?hash=item33d609aa7c:g:9jQAAOSwbD9ZrWzL
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB450-CB-450-Black-Bomber-BARN-FIND-Winter-Restoration-Project-/322676267865?hash=item4b21011b59:g:NRAAAOSw2mJZnvPK
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB450-CB-450-Black-Bomber-1966-BARN-FIND-US-Import-A-MUST-SEE-/222644628926?hash=item33d6a76dbe:g:NCYAAOSwD6xZumaz
I know they always say you shouldn't bid on ebay when youve had a drink but clearly you should'nt post stuff for sale when youve had one too!!
I'll have a pint of whatever the seller's drinking..... :o :)
Post by: Johnwebley on September 20, 2017, 05:26:18 PM
must keep away from Worcester
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 20, 2017, 08:22:55 PM
never realized Freddy TFF was local
must keep away from Worcester
I get mixed reports on him (Will D ) ..some people say he's a nightmare to deal with but a mate who's opinion I really respect 100% says he's absolutely fine but doesn't suffer fools gladly, as he's had so much hassle in the past with customers. A person I know, who bought a bike from him, was boll*cked because he had someone with him and he had been instructed to turn up alone. Same with DK ..I have always found them fine to deal with and I have had some real bargains from them... OK they sold me a 500K0 seat that still had a mouse's nest in the foam but I got my money back, no worries. Perhaps we should have a good guys/bad guys section on here like the US forum has.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 22, 2017, 07:36:13 AM
My mates bike is a 1963 BSA A50 (500cc, unit construction). It's a totally standard bike that an old guy had, he took the front guard off to paint it and then became ill and never used it again. He passed away and his niece was left it and a Mini Cooper S.....Needs some TLC to the wheel rims though. He's taking a BSA B31 to Newark next month. I know absolutely zilch about Brit bikes though, in fact when I was helping him clean it up yesterday and put the front guard back on I realised that it's the first British bike I have ever worked on !
Post by: Sgt.Pinback on September 22, 2017, 05:34:22 PM
Does yours have those mirrors, Ash?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 22, 2017, 06:32:23 PM
BTW Uli ..Menno received the CB250K2 tank and says it's really nice .. so many thanks again for your kind help.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 08, 2017, 12:08:35 PM
Post by: MrDavo on October 19, 2017, 12:10:47 PM
All the looks of the CL350, but with extra grunt!
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Post by: Rozabikes Tim on October 19, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
I am getting an irrational urge to buy a CL450, there seem to be plenty in the States but like hen's teeth everywhere else.
All the looks of the CL350, but with extra grunt!
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That's not irrational. "tis a thing of beauty". Not that the smaller variants aren't nice too but the engine architecture wins it for me on the 450.
Post by: JamesH on October 21, 2017, 11:02:03 AM
I am getting an irrational urge to buy a CL450, there seem to be plenty in the States but like hen's teeth everywhere else.I have the ‘68 round tank badge CL450 in Blue - they are awesome bikes. Go for it...
All the looks of the CL350, but with extra grunt!
(http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media.jpg?id=2873546f27a849d6a209b63d74cad61c&width=1024&height=768)
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 21, 2017, 01:36:45 PM
http://www.coys.co.uk/cars/1967-honda-cb450d
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Post by: MrDavo on November 14, 2017, 12:51:34 PM
I bought this 1969 CL450, last night on eBay, I mainly went for this one because of the chromework, and it not being weather seized. I realise the mileage should be ignored, if it was real it could be the mileage when Bubba forgot and ran it without any oil in, we shall see when the motor comes apart.
The bars, rear heatshield and seat are wrong (possibly swapped with another CL, maybe the bodywork too), and some hard to find bits have been picked off like the front brake cable and horn. I've already found a NOS cable in matching grey, and maybe a horn. The seat I can get a good Texavina replica from Vietnam, has anyone dealt with these, they have good feedback?
The laquered alloy bits and exhaust, clocks guards, stays etc all look in very fine fettle. A few butchered JIS and some allen screws in the motor.
My mate is picking her up Thursday, then she will go in my mates garage while I get the motor apart to see what we have, and collect parts. At least I also have some Candy Ruby Red paint, bought for the CB750.
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I could be sorry I asked, as you rip it to bits, but it is what it is, and I've always thought the DOHC motor interesting. What should be holding those side panels in place BTW?
Post by: Seabeowner on November 14, 2017, 01:20:57 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on November 14, 2017, 01:39:55 PM
Post by: K2-K6 on November 14, 2017, 02:24:48 PM
Their low mileages seen on some of these, I was talking to someone who'd bought a 1960's 350 kawasaki twin with very low indicated miles from an American family. Their son had bought it new and his father had disabled it to "save" him from injuring himself when he returned from military service, from which he never returned. :'( sometimes it's true I guess.
Great looking bike, well worth owning.
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on November 14, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
Oh dear, I may be spending more time down here in the future. Time to practice the man maths and justify to her indoors why it would be silly not to buy another motorbike, after all I will still only have three.Good potentail. Looked at that myself and thought good buy for someone. Glad its gone to a good home on here so we can watch progress. Not Jealous :P
I bought this 1969 CL450, last night on eBay, I mainly went for this one because of the chromework, and it not being weather seized. I realise the mileage should be ignored, if it was real it could be the mileage when Bubba forgot and ran it without any oil in, we shall see when the motor comes apart.
The bars, rear heatshield and seat are wrong (possibly swapped with another CL, maybe the bodywork too), and some hard to find bits have been picked off like the front brake cable and horn. I've already found a NOS cable in matching grey, and maybe a horn. The seat I can get a good Texavina replica from Vietnam, has anyone dealt with these, they have good feedback?
The laquered alloy bits and exhaust, clocks guards, stays etc all look in very fine fettle. A few butchered JIS and some allen screws in the motor.
My mate is picking her up Thursday, then she will go in my mates garage while I get the motor apart to see what we have, and collect parts. At least I also have some Candy Ruby Red paint, bought for the CB750.
I could be sorry I asked, as you rip it to bits, but it is what it is, and I've always thought the DOHC motor interesting. What should be holding those side panels in place BTW?
Post by: Sgt.Pinback on November 15, 2017, 07:40:36 AM
For which modell is it and how much its worth?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on November 15, 2017, 07:45:32 AM
Post by: JamesH on November 15, 2017, 10:27:02 AM
I have a set of CL450 heatshields, NOS.Uli they are for a CL450 K3....probably worth £250 ish?
For which modell is it and how much its worth?
Post by: MrDavo on November 15, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
The bike is being delivered tomorrow evening hopefully. The first part to arrive should be the NOS grey front brake cable coming by courier today from DK, that was literally the only one on sale anywhere. I have also bought the correct horn from Germany, I'd better stop till I get the bike!
Looking at the chrome and alloy, I think this bike (unlike many heavily weathered 'barn finds') has been lucky enough to have been dry stored, unlike the bodywork which I think is from another bike, the rusty side panel shows all the signs of being out in the open for a long time, but there's no way the chrome on things like the exhaust cooling rings, and the plating on the pillion rests, have been out in the rain for that long. Alternatively someone may have started a restoration using a few new bits. All will be revealed when the motor comes apart, hopefully in a good way.
Last week I was disappointed to see that a running but unrestored 1968 CL450 I had been interested in had been sold on a classified ad, so I bid the same money on this. As the only bidder I got the bike for £550 less than I had actually bid, so result!
Post by: Sgt.Pinback on November 15, 2017, 02:48:20 PM
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Vintage-Honda-CL450-K3-K4-Exhaust-Muffler-Header-Pipe-Cover-Heat-Shield-A88/352074548285?hash=item51f947443d:g:WeYAAOSwcB5ZJd6e
Post by: MrDavo on November 15, 2017, 03:36:31 PM
I think I have saved them to my watch list though, unless I accidentaly pushed the German button for 'Buy It Now'! :)
Post by: JamesH on November 15, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
Post by: MrDavo on November 15, 2017, 08:12:51 PM
Part of me is tempted not to strip and restore everything, but check the motor over and get it running first, then just do the paint and replace missing / wrong bits etc, leaving the yellowed laquer and original chrome exactly as I found it. Another part of me wants to make it all shiny and new.
I'll see what I have first then decide.
ETA: How come they sell endless camchains for the 450, when the manuals all talk about splitting and joining them?
Post by: K2-K6 on November 15, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
We came up with warming the motor with a space heater, or similar, only then drop the oil and filter. Then replace both prior to cranking it.
Something else on their twin leading shoe brakes. If the adjustment is setup accurately, then as you assemble the wheel into the bike, apply the brake hard prior to tightening the spindle and hold onto it if it's a clamped ( not floating) brake plate. It helps to centre the shoes in the drum if there is any movement around the spindle. It usually makes the brake smooth and progressive as it should be.
Post by: philward on December 04, 2017, 07:50:14 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dresda-Honda-450-Classic-Racer-Hill-Climber-Unfinished-Project-needs-much-work/202134322771?hash=item2f1024fe53:g:44AAAOSwovNaI~Be
Post by: jensen on December 04, 2017, 08:05:05 PM
Post by: MrDavo on February 06, 2018, 08:03:29 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CL-450-CB450-AMALS-BSA-A65-TANK-NORTON-PIPES-4995-OFFERS-PX-TRIALS/292437718221
Nicely finished, but why? I suppose less bother than the Brit bike it looks like.
Post by: MrDavo on February 16, 2018, 09:32:44 AM
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on February 16, 2018, 09:42:16 AM
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Post by: royhall on February 16, 2018, 09:44:44 AM
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on February 16, 2018, 09:47:47 AM
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Post by: MrDavo on February 16, 2018, 10:46:55 AM
At University, a biochemist friend of Karen’s sent a parcel home to his Mum, using the only tape he had to hand, yellow tape marked ‘Radioactive’ with the fan symbol.
His mum received a visit from an irate policeman, apparently Mount Pleasant sorting office had had to be evacuated, holding up the post for half of London.
Post by: JamesH on February 16, 2018, 06:18:14 PM
@ Steve, woe betide anyone brave enough to run a 'Black Bombers' forum, they'll be first on the plane to Guantanamo Bay. I wonder if they have wifi there.Your posts crack me up Dave. Keep them coming!!!
At University, a biochemist friend of Karen’s sent a parcel home to his Mum, using the only tape he had to hand, yellow tape marked ‘Radioactive’ with the fan symbol.
His mum received a visit from an irate policeman, apparently Mount Pleasant sorting office had had to be evacuated, holding up the post for half of London.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on February 17, 2018, 09:41:39 AM
Post by: Sparrow1 on February 22, 2018, 11:49:25 AM
I was recently chatting about my Black Bomber ( with this Winter, that's all I seem to do! ) and others I know of to a chap in a Pub. " Black Bomber lives in a heated garage. Black Bomber Will only come out when it's dry etc" ( well, I get caught out occasionally..)
I felt I was sensing strange looks next to my table and sure enough, I was. The chaps next to me seemed er, 'interested' so I leaned across to them when my mate was getting me a jar and asked them if they were into bikes to put my mind at ease. They aren't but certainly into Cyber security of some sort! 😳 (Only happens to me!) I showed them a picture of my Black Bomber and they visibly relaxed. God, what a world we live in now...
Nige.
Post by: Green1 on February 22, 2018, 10:14:11 PM
Post by: Sparrow1 on March 04, 2018, 06:45:43 PM
Nige.
Post by: Sgt.Pinback on March 09, 2018, 02:21:42 PM
Post by: MCTID on March 09, 2018, 02:42:07 PM
I used to make sure the Manuals I put together for Compressors (years ago in a far away galaxy) were the same. It took some juggling to get it right....but right they were...when I had finished.
When I started to get involved with 1960's Triumph Twins.........guess what I did........took photocopies of the Manuals/ Parts Lists just so I could rearrange them to show the Assembly Diagram adjacent to the Parts List for that assembly.......not one single assembly was like that in the Triumph Manuals, which helped to form my long held opinion that any Company that didn't give a monkeys about their Dealers and Customers really didn't deserve to stay in business.
Maybe I should have posted this on the 'What get's me angry' thread........LOL.....but if I'd also commented on Triumphs bizarre use of barmy Part Numbers and constantly changing thread forms/ types at odd times over the years, I'd just end up in Hospital !!!!!!
Post by: royhall on March 09, 2018, 05:16:03 PM
Post by: MrDavo on January 21, 2019, 12:52:57 PM
Were you wearing that cap with the suspicious looking leaf on it?
I used to have a mate, who was in a 'patch' club, with one of those dodgy leaves painted on his crash helmet. During a traffic stop, a copper pointed to said leaf, and asked 'into that stuff, are you?' Fearing an oncoming strip search at the roadside he convinced the cop that he was from Canada, and that it was a maple leaf! :)
Post by: MrDavo on January 28, 2019, 01:42:08 PM
Good luck with finding the right badge for the side panel, I guess someone like piki could make one using the other as a guide.
Nice, but understandably not cheap.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB450-D-CB-450-D-Super-Sport-Black-Bomber-Rarer-than-RARE/223331551838
Post by: Bryanj on January 28, 2019, 02:26:51 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 28, 2019, 03:12:21 PM
The Fat Frog chap has turned up with a super rare restored (but unfinished) CB450D. The dealer kit which was the predecessor of the CL450, produced to shift unsold Black Bombers.
Good luck with finding the right badge for the side panel, I guess someone like piki could make one using the other as a guide.
Nice, but understandably not cheap.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB450-D-CB-450-D-Super-Sport-Black-Bomber-Rarer-than-RARE/223331551838
A lot of money for a bike without the correct D kit seat and front guard.
Post by: royhall on January 28, 2019, 04:13:51 PM
Post by: MrDavo on February 13, 2019, 06:38:10 PM
Nice early Honda, in Sussex... why didn't I twig? :)
James we go to the Revival every year, so we must meet up for a pint, though I suggest you don't get in a bubbly drinking session with the Mrs and her pal Angie, as it doesn't always end well...
(https://i.postimg.cc/hG9p4THq/IMG-1717.jpg)
Post by: JamesH on February 13, 2019, 07:47:01 PM
I was just looking at the pics I took at the Goodwood Revival, interested in the finer details of the CB450 I took several photos of what I now know, from page one of this thread, is James' Black Bomber.
Nice early Honda, in Sussex... why didn't I twig? :)
James we go to the Revival every year, so we must meet up for a pint, though I suggest you don't get in a bubbly drinking session with the Mrs and her pal Angie, as it doesn't always end well...
(https://i.postimg.cc/hG9p4THq/IMG-1717.jpg)
yeah sound good Dave would love that. The bike was there with my mate Andy for the part two revivals (he’s part of the BSA club but a secret Honda lover ha ha).
He’s been restoring a ‘67 Bomber and finished his in the Autumn - so had my bike on loan as a reference (his bike came in boxes).
I’ve actually got very few photos of the bike as it’s still with Andy. Did you take any pics?
Mine will be up for sale soon..as are pretty much all of my bikes..
J
Post by: AshimotoK0 on March 08, 2019, 08:11:03 AM
Post by: Laverda Dave on March 08, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
Post by: royhall on March 08, 2019, 09:29:14 AM
Post by: JamesH on March 08, 2019, 09:36:52 AM
Fantastic James. As you say, where else are you ever going to find an unrestored bike in that condition. Also a great point of reference to those of us restoring Bombers.
Thanks Guys. Now she's back with me for good I'll try and take lots of reference photos and will post up on here in the next few weeks. As far as I'm aware the bike is pretty much untouched from the factory (I did replace the fuel lines & clean the tank / carbs when she first arrived). Any specific photos / angle required just let me know before I start snapping.. James
Post by: royhall on March 08, 2019, 11:11:15 AM