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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« on: April 16, 2020, 10:51:20 PM »

Is this one in any better condition than yours?  The teeth all seem to be intact if a little worn.  AFAIK the CB and CL mechanisms from that period are pretty much interchangeable (the part #'s are identical - 24610-292-030).

Might be worth picking up anyway for what's known as the pizza cutter selector part shown prominently in the fourth image.  Those things are the main weak point of the 450 gearshift mechanism and when they go, finding gears gets very hard.  Decent ones are very hard to come by now. 

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SOHC Singles & Twins / Re: CB72 Keyster Carb Kits - are they any good?
« on: February 25, 2020, 09:48:52 AM »
Cool.

Never really understood why the aftermarket air screws for the 72/77's are quite so far away from the originals when the rest of the bits seem to be so close. 

About the only thing on the air screws that they get right is the thread/pitch.  Unfortunately, that's about enough to convince the naive (me) that they must be better than the originals because . . . newer(?!).  Nope. 

Comparing them will show the profile is totally wrong, and more often than not there's no recess/not a deep enough recess for the tiny o-ring to be fitted - either that or the recess is the wrong size/shape/location.  Makes reassembly almost impossible and if you do somehow manage to get them to fit, you're chasing air leaks

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SOHC Singles & Twins / Re: CB72 Keyster Carb Kits - are they any good?
« on: February 24, 2020, 08:22:31 PM »

In terms of getting the 72/77's to run, the kits themselves are pretty decent - although I have no idea quite how closely they replicate the original bits.  If the carbs are in decent shape, those kits will get you 90%+ of the original set up.

That said, steer clear of the air screws they supply in those kits; they're invariably the wrong shape and will make your life very difficult.  I stupidly swapped them on the CL77 and CA77 . . . should've realised from the fight the little o-rings were putting up with the air screws that something wasn't right.  Basically, they don't seal and so air is pulled in around the screws.

Eventually realised the air screws were causing the trouble, swapped back to the originals and everything settled down.  Last time I checked, Silvers had both the correct air screws and o-rings that fit on them.

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Other Bikes / Re: Yamaha XJ 900s Diversion 1998
« on: February 02, 2020, 02:16:19 AM »
So as I mentioned, I had the same issue on the Deauville, and there's a whole load of Deauville resources out there explaining how folks have dealt with the problem.  Looking at eBay parts, I'm fairly sure the Divi's fuel pump is pretty much identical to the Deau's, so the fixes should work pretty much the same for both.

If you haven't already bought anything, your first option might be to repair the pump you've got.  Wemoto sell a points repair kit for your original fuel pump - that's generally the bit that goes wrong.  It's pretty simple to replace; pull the black cap off the pump, unscrew some bits and replace for less than twenty quid. 

Trouble is, those points can fail again over time because just like the originals, the current that arcs across them is too powerful over the long term (although if you're still on your first fuel pump/relay, it might be a good while before they go again).  The fix for that is to solder a diode into the points circuit as outlined on this page (I know it talks about the Hawk, but all the pumps are the same basic design).  Sadly, the embedded links on that site have long since gone, but post some pictures here and folks should be able to tell you how to do the mod.

Alternatively, there are a couple of different write-ups on solid state fuel pumps - choose from this one or this one.  I'm sure there are more, and I'd guess if you go hunting you'll probably find something similar from Divi owner groups.

Hope that helps.

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CB350/400 / Re: Replace a cylinder sleeve / liner.
« on: February 01, 2020, 11:28:13 AM »
To get the liners out, stick the barrel assembly in the oven.  The aluminium block expands at a faster rate than the liners, so once the oven's hot enough, the liners will fall out.  If you stand the assembly right way up (like it would sit in the engine) gravity will help pull the outer block down; you'll hear a thump when it goes.  Can't remember what the "right" temp is, but it's not all that high - 200 deg C or something similar should get you started.

Usual caveats apply: make sure there's nothing rubber left in/on the assembly - like the rubber rings that hide around the liners under the block (or the fin spacer plugs on the '750s) - and if you're doing it in the house, clean the whole thing thoroughly before you start.  Even then, it's probably going to get a bit smokey . . .

Refitting is basically the same process in reverse, but when you do it, put the assembly upside down so the block falls onto the liners as they heat up.  And if you're swapping liners between blocks, don't forget to check they seat properly and the top faces are completely flush.  You may need to skim the deck depending on how closely matched the liners are.  I tend to use the sandpaper-on-glass/MDF technique for that.

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Other Bikes / Re: Yamaha XJ 900s Diversion 1998
« on: January 28, 2020, 03:07:38 PM »
Whilst you're looking into the issue, it might be worth taking a look at your fuel pump and pipe routing to check that assembly is working as it should.

I don't have any experience with Divi's, but I've had an early model Deauville (similar age to yours) in the past and they're known for having dodgy fuel pumps.  The symptoms aren't always obvious . . . 

 . . . what's s'posed to happen is that the pump drains the tank to empty.  But the Deauvilles will still work when the pump gives up; when that happens, the system behaves as though it's gravity fed. 

That works fine, right up to the point where the pipework from tank-to-pump-to-carbs is higher than the level of the remaining fuel in the tank (the rear of the tank sits comparatively low).  At that point, the bike dies despite there being several litres of fuel left because there's no way of forcing the remaining fuel to the carbs.

Check the obvious stuff first, but like I say, this might just something you add to the list . . .

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CB650 / Re: Correct location for the longer head bolts-CB650?
« on: December 17, 2019, 11:49:27 PM »
Just been looking through the extensive Chilton's motorcycle repair manual 1945-84 version because, well, reasons.  There's nothing in there that differentiates the studs.

Without any clear overhead images of the head, it's very hard to say what goes where.  Other models in the same family (like the 350/4, 400/4 and 750/4) had a couple of shorter studs in the front; the 750/4's were the outermost front (corner) two whereas the others were one in from the front corners.  The 650 seems to be the odd-man-out and none of the images I could find showed the top view layout clearly enough. 

If I had to take a guess, I'd start with the two rear outer corner holes (carb side).  With the exception of a couple of the inner holes, the stud holes at the front (exhaust side) are shared with the spark plugs, so it's unlikely to be any of those.  If all 8 of the holes that are only accessible inside the head have the same floor depth (I have no idea whether they do or not), the logical place for longer bolts is in the only two remaining holes, being the outer rear corners.  Looking at images of the underside of the head, those holes also have spaces for knock pins.

That said, 2cm is a fair old difference in length and not something that's going to go unnoticed if you get it wrong - those longer bolts should sit up if they're in the wrong place.  I'm assuming you've already assembled the engine dry to see how the bolts feel in different locations . . .  it should be fairly obvious where there are a couple of deeper holes.

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CB750 / Re: 1970 CB750 BATTERY WARNING DECAL
« on: December 16, 2019, 03:33:22 PM »

I've taken a colour(?) photocopy of the sticker 'cos I had one spare knocking about and I thought it would be better quality than a photo.

Still can't work out how to embed Google drive images.  If you'd prefer me to send you the .jpg, tell me where/how to send it.

Cheers

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CB750 / Re: Removal of 1970 - 1971 Steering Locks
« on: December 15, 2019, 06:29:55 PM »

Cool.  Good work.

Don't be too hasty with the second one.  Honda used a variety of different key blanks, so only certain keys will fit certain locks.  If you can't get your key in, it's almost most likely to be because the spine of the key has a different slotting along its length.

Since the tooth pattern isn't all that complicated, you probably found a magic pairing with your old key and the enclosed lock.  I've got around 10 different keys across different models and the number of locks they fit into varies, but no one key fits every lock.

And if you get the lock out intact, you can always sell it - there's usually someone looking for a steering lock barrel to match their ignition/seat set, especially if you can read the numbers.

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CB750 / Re: Removal of 1970 - 1971 Steering Locks
« on: December 15, 2019, 03:40:22 PM »
Depends on how "original" you want to be . . . 

T3879B - David Silvers have them in stock for £9 or so.  They've got the normal shape as well, but AFAIK you need the B key (or one of the more expensive versions in the previous post) for the steering lock because it's cut in such a way as to allow the barrel to be pushed in.  The teeth on both are identical, but the B has a longer neck.

Silvers stock quite a few different keys; they're just not very well advertised on the site.

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CB750 / Re: Removal of 1970 - 1971 Steering Locks
« on: December 14, 2019, 07:05:12 PM »
In the second picture, you can see the lock and the yoke mount it's in are different colour metals.  What you need to do is get the lock to turn so the little retaining pin lines up between the two mount sections and the whole barrel will pull out.  If you can read the lock number, your best bet is to find a key, otherwise you'll need to drill in from the front (i.e. through the key slot) and then turn the barrel once the lock mechanism inside is busted.  The same method applies to the other set up, but since it's enclosed it's much harder to see.

Take a look at the images in this post and you'll see a variation on the barrel on the lower lock - the only real difference is that the rectangular section is larger on the CA77 one.  The instructions I wrote in that post about how the lock is removed also apply to the 750 locks.

I've managed to remove a couple of locks without doing either - trust me, it was more luck than judgement and not something I'd recommend.  It only works with the lock mount shown in the first couple of photos (where the lock isn't entirely enclosed.  Basically the method I used involved sticking a screwdriver behind the frame section you can see in your second photo.  Look at the lock end, and you'll see one 'leg' longer than the other . . . I got the shorter leg to bend out just enough for the pin to pass by it by belting it the right way and then knocked it back into place once the lock was out.  But I've since found it's a high risk strategy and should be avoided if you don't want to risk snapping the mount.   

In the last of your images, you can read the lock number - looks to me like it's T3879.  If you haven't already, order one off eBay and while you're waiting for it to arrive, fill the lock with WD40 or some other penetrant - chances are it's frozen in place.

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CB750 / Re: 1970 CB750 BATTERY WARNING DECAL
« on: December 14, 2019, 01:24:49 PM »

It's been a while (8+ years) since I bought mine - could have been from Piki or part of a small repro kit that I got from Silvers.  I'm guessing they were a generic collection of decals that suited several models - or at least some of the decals suited some of the models.

Never knew the earlier frames were missing the hooks.  Had a quick flick through John Wyatt and Mark Heycock's books and could see images of sandcast frames without hooks.  Both books list changes between models, but there's nothing on the changeover from no hooks to hooks.  Given that the more significant changes seem to have happened with the introduction of the K2, my guess is that's when they started appearing.  At the same time, there were no signs of the battery stickers . . .

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CB750 / Re: 1970 CB750 BATTERY WARNING DECAL
« on: December 13, 2019, 11:28:15 PM »
Not a textbook assembly, but these may help . . .

Looks like I have the wrong battery sticker but whatever, it's on the inner rear plastic mudguard.  Not a lot of other places to stick it.

Helmet holders are on the raised rear section joining the frame sides (the bit that supports the back end of the seat).

Sorry - can't work out how to embed images from Google Drive . . .

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Site Feedback / FAQ / How to... / Re: Aladdin's Cave
« on: December 13, 2019, 10:49:23 PM »

Wow . . . been a while since anyone was in this thread. 

Couldn't find an answer to this - hence the thread resurrection - so apologies if it's covered somewhere else.  Do you accept donations to the Cave (as in copies of PDFs/images/whatever) and if you do, how does the donations process work?  Like what sort of stuff do you accept/what don't you want - and where does it go?

You've already got most of the CB750 stuff I have, but I've got a bunch of other, older Honda materials (CA/CL77, SL350, CB450) that could do with going somewhere more people can make use of them.  Also got some newer stuff that I reckon would be less popular (SL1100, Honda CB-1, maybe Hayabusa) but might help.

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CB750 / Re: 1970 CB750 BATTERY WARNING DECAL
« on: December 12, 2019, 05:27:27 PM »
Doesn't look like it shows up on any of the K model microfiche drawings (although I'm sure I've seen them on K's). 

There's a sticker shown on the F model diagrams, but some of the parts lists no longer list the part number.  Since the battery design and routing isn't all that different to the K models, I think the sticker you're referring to is part #24 on this diagram.


 

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