Post by: MrDavo on May 04, 2020, 07:25:48 PM
The bikes stay in the garage apart from the odd essential mercy dash to the off licence, but as they insist that exercise is good for us, me and the Mrs have walked more in the last month than ever before. we may have, er exceeded an hour, but that's only a guideline. It would take a real jobsworth copper to try and pin 'too long a walk' on us, and good luck with that in court, an hour is only a guideline. The wife has taken up baking, cooks me big meals, and we polish off a bottle of wine or similar most nights, so I am putting on weight. The walks make me feel less guilty. : ;)
We have tramped every footpath for miles around in the last few weeks, we have lived here for years, but most I didn't even know existed. I found some really old maps of the area on the Francis Frith website, and although whole industries and railways have come and gone, those paths were always there.
This is just a couple of minutes from our house, the flags are on an old footpath for workers from one now vanished mill to another. At this time of the year you can see why it is known as 'bluebell wood':
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Week two we found evidence of what happens if you take your satnav too literally. There was a note for the police, I think the car is still there, it will probably cost more to recover than its worth. We live on the other side of the Tame valley, just over the ridge in the background.
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Once we started to get our walking legs we got further afield and way up the other side of the valley until we were on the moors, looking down towards Manchester. Swineshaw reservoir in the foreground, Walker Wood reservoir behind it.
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From here we kept climbing until we were looking down on the Woodhead valley, complete with fluffy baa lambs, which made the Mrs very happy.
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We have had several trips up the moors, including the site of Buckton Castle, somewhere I see up above us most days but have never been to. Saturday was another on my bucket list, Whimberry Stones, way up above Dovestones reservoir, which some of you may have visited the tea van, it is popular with bikers. This is the view looking down from the top, it was a long slog to get up there:
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One reason I wanted to go up there was to see where, in 1949, a BEA Dakota going from Belfast Nutts Corner, later to be used as a bike race circuit, to Manchester Ringway, flew into the hillside in low cloud. Pictures taken at the time suggest it was behind where Karen is sitting (waiting for old slowcoach, again) but there is no trace to be seen.
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Up at the top there is s spectacular view from the rocks, however what got a lump in my throat was a very poignant pair of memorial plaques fixed to the rock, which we noticed just after taking this photo, just to the right of Karen. I assumed they were related to the plane crash (24 died) but what I didn't expect was that they were bike related, and put there by someone I know...
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I met Bill Swallow, a lovely bloke who has won NINE Manx Grand Prix, many times over the years when I was racing and still sometimes bump into him at bike shows etc, he lives in this part of the world. We first met when we camped next to him at Brands Hatch in 1992, we were both racing at a classic meeting to celebrate John Surtees' 60th birthday. When I did the Manx he took me round the TT circuit in his van, always eager to help a newcomer. At the Bungalow we met his son Chris, who had ridden up there on a pushbike. Tragically both his sons were lost at race tracks, David to a barbeque that was still smouldering at night while he slept in a van, Chris in an accident racing at last year's Manx. The two plaques are memorials to his sons, I assume they loved the place, and I'd no idea they were there.
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We carried on up the valley until we saw some fit nutcase running up the steep hill towards us, and went down the track into the Chew Valley. At the bottom it felt proper middle of nowhere, it could be Scotland:
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We came back along the trackbed of a narrow gauge railway line built at the very start of the 20th Century to take clay up to build the dam of the Chew valley reservoir way above us, that'll be another walk for another day if the lockdown continues. No more pictures as my telephone had run out of electricity, so we didn't have a Google map any more but we could see which way to go towards civilisation.
Post by: Nurse Julie on May 04, 2020, 07:56:55 PM
Im looking forward to the next instalment already.
Post by: motty on May 04, 2020, 10:58:11 PM
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Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on May 05, 2020, 07:03:02 AM
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Agree on the contrails, although most days 06:00 to midday we are on the incoming flight path and get one every 90 seconds. At the moment there are maybe one or two per hour. We look up and wonder just how many people are on the planes.
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This is Ziggy’s (Springer Spaniel) favourite park. I wonder why?
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Post by: Laverda Dave on May 05, 2020, 09:39:21 AM
Walking is one of our favourite pastimes although we are not ‘ramblers’. We are lucky where we live in the suburbs of London having Ruislip Lido (a natural reservoir) and Mad Bess Woods less than a mile from home. If we are not walking the routes I usually run them 2-3 times a week. I've noticed how the air is much less polluted, I can breath a lot easier when I run and I'm actually running a lot quicker than I did 5 years ago including setting PB's and I'm 58, I thought those days were long gone!
Like Steve, being in the west of London we are used to having a plane fly over every 90 seconds but it’s been bliss the last six weeks, nothing at all and we can still sleep after 5:45am!
Hopefully some good will come out of all this, people will rediscover nature and their natural environment, the air remains less polluted, we get fitter and life doesn’t have to be lived at 100mph, 7 days a week.
Post some more photos if you can, who needs to go aboard when you have all that on your doorstep :)
Post by: MrDavo on May 05, 2020, 03:13:25 PM
From Saturday's walk, here's a rare picture of me, sat down mainly because the drop behind, at Indian Head, was terrifying.
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Some odds and ends, here are some white bluebells I noticed. very rare but I don't know how I can sell them on eBay yet.
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Walking along the trackbed of the old Micklehurst loop line, we came across a huge derelict goods shed, like finding a lost temple in the middle of a jungle.
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Nearby was the engine shed for the little shunting engines for the coal wagons that fed Hartshead power station
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Here is the same spot in 1967, when the power station was still in use. There is nothing there now, I watched from a hillside when they blew the cooling towers up. The engine is a fireless steam loco, developed for munitions works originally, they were ideal for power stations because they had free unlimited steam on tap.
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The view from Buckton Castle. I and many others always assumed it was an iron age fort, but when students from Salford University dug the banks they found 9 foot thick medieval stone walls.
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The whole hill is dominated by a large quarry, around the back we found an older disused one, the rock is sandstone.
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Finally, you say sleepy sunbathing piggies, I think 'Mmm, bacon.....'
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Post by: MrDavo on May 05, 2020, 09:18:34 PM
As a kid I was lectured over and over never to get in a car with someone I didn’t know, but never told why. They trawled Ashton market for victims and regularly went to our local cinema so it’s all very raw around here.
Post by: MCTID on May 05, 2020, 09:19:30 PM
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Post by: MrDavo on May 06, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
I too can only spot the engine shed as a break in the trees, it's so overgrown. It's near the eastern end of the coal conveyor, which now just stops in midair. On this map it is in the 3rd square along, top row, the goods shed is in the square beneath it.
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An aerial view of the same area:
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This is one of the supports for the conveyor, where it ends with the wife for scale, it gives an impression of just how overgrown it is down there. Behind is where the colossal coal hopper once was, all you can see now is a concrete base with a mass of twisted rebar, it must have been a sod to demolish.
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This 1967 picture taken in the rail yard caught my attention, the concrete support at the extreme right is the one in my photo, the coal conveyor is just out of shot above the locos. Also note the Black 5 in the background, 44871, it was on the last ever BR steam train in August 1968, and is now owned by Ian Riley and preserved at Bury. Here's a photo I took of it at Sheffield on a railtour I went on last November, with its sister loco, 45407.
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Post by: MrDavo on May 07, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
When I first gate crashed Carnforth loco shed at the end of steam, I’d sneaked across the footbridge, went around a corner, and there was 44871, in steam outside the shed. It seems our paths keep crossing, when I was a volunteer cleaner on the ELR I even got to fire her a couple of times. There were long lines of withdrawn steam engines at Carnforth, waiting for their last trip to the scrapyard. As a schoolboy the shed staff turned a blind eye to me as I climbed on and off every single engine. They were all filthy, I don’t think my mum was too pleased when i got home.
Oddjob, you must have had to negotiate that narrow bridge in an artic too. I get my car MOT’d and fixed (if I can’t do it myself) at the garage on Knowl St just next to it. I think they have modern trucks now, those were the oldest sheds I ever drove. I broke down in one at the Liverpool entrance to the M62, and made the BBC traffic news! I didn’t know that engine shed was there until we walked the track back from Micklehurst, it is a footpath, but with the odd diversion where viaducts aren’t.
Post by: MrDavo on May 07, 2020, 06:40:54 PM
We walked down to Heyrod Village Store this afternoon, so a couple of pictures more for you.
For some reason bluebells smell just like air freshener, it must be evolution :)
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Apparently these are boar, they just look like unshaven pigs to me. When we go past, the wife sings to them and they get up out of their shed to see what the hell all the racket is.
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Down in the bottom of the valley are the water reservoirs that used to feed the coolers, drawing water from the Tame. We watched a heron fishing there last week, here's a moorhen with her chick, arty style through the fence.
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Here's why you cant find that engine shed in the jungle, Oddjob. I took this from the road next to the Heyrod store, looking over towards Buckton castle and the quarry, believe it or not this is exactly the same area as that aerial shot of the power station, in fact the spot I took the photo from is the road in the very bottom left of the aerial picture. Right in the centre you can see the truncated coal elevator, and above and to the right of that just see part of the goods shed roof peeking out of the trees. Bear in mind from the picture on the last page, that thing is bloody massive! The post industrial greening of Britain is quite something - I've seen a few old photos of the Tame Valley, taken in the days when trees were just free fuel that someone had left carelessly lying around (they had the same attitude to whales, too) where there is hardly a scrap of vegetation anywhere.
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Finally, because I'm childish at heart, here's a picture I took of a huge cock!
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Those words probably just caused the board to send Steve an urgent alarm message. 8)
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on May 08, 2020, 07:13:30 AM
Yesterday he caught a baby pigeon in the woods. They can’t escape so easily in the undergrowth.
He ate it (all)
As he comes from working gundog stock, I’m sure he’s not meant to do that.
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Post by: ka-ja on May 08, 2020, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: MrDavo on May 08, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
We had a cat that regularly murdered birds and baby bunnies - I had to hide the dead budgie he brought home. When he disappeared a fox had been seen at the back of the house, so possibly karma!
Searches for ‘huge cock’ will now lead here, but I haven’t checked, I’m still traumatised from the day the cistern in the attic overflowed and I Googled ‘ball cock’ :o
Post by: MrDavo on May 11, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
Friday we walked along the top of the valley, down into Mossley and back along the canal and river, about 5 miles. we've done all the hills in the background over the lockdown.
This was a surprise view as we went on a new (to us) footpath from Luzley, we walked around the back of a farm and...
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We dropped down to the bottom of the valley and walked along the Huddersfield Narrow Canal. Completed in 1811, and closed in 1944, when we moved to the area it was lost - the locks had been filled with concrete and the canal filled in, there was a car park where it runs through Stalybridge. It was recomissioned in the 1990's, reopening in 2001. It passes through a tunnel over 3 miles long between Diggle and Marsden.
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Here's one of the locks, the ducks are keeping an eye on me in case I have a wok and some oranges in my rucksack.
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Here's the light at the end of the 205 yard Scout tunnel. I think the tow path handrail is a modern health and safety thing, back in the old days if you or the horse fell in, tough, there were plenty more where that came from.
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We later got on a path along the River Tame, intriguingly posted to the the top of our hill, despite going in the wrong direction. The path was deserted, apart from one of the local outdoor lager enthusiasts, and a bit overgrown. At the point where it turned 90 degrees from the river we were surrised to find a well hidden and overgrown mill. We knew from a plaque at the top of our hill that the 'Flaggy Fields' path once connected two mills, but had never ventured down the bottom part past the main road, a new fangled former toll road that is probably younger than the path.
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Back up the hill and home to a well earned bottle of cold white wine.
Post by: Laverda Dave on May 11, 2020, 12:53:13 PM
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on May 11, 2020, 01:36:57 PM
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Post by: MrDavo on May 11, 2020, 03:50:31 PM
As far as planning, I plan using online maps and Google, but the Mrs claims to know where she's going and then turns out not to, causing the occasional moving domestic followed by a long sulk. I take it quite seriously, as getting lost on the moors or in high places can turn out to be a serious business.
Saturday, and I decided to have another go at reaching the Chew Reservoir, last week we'd got in sight of the dam but had to turn back as it was getting late, and it was a heck of a long way back. Completed in 1912, the reservoir was the highest constructed in England at the time, at 1,600 feet asl.
Setting off from Greenfield, we passed a row of cottages built for the workers at a mill near Dovestones, I remember as a kid all old stonework was black after years of pollution, these days we have cleaner air and most has been sandblasted. There was a note to 'Steve' on a door, asking him not to leave his van outside, as it had caused the bins not to be emptied. We are headed for the top of ridge in the background, later I'll post a picture looking back from there.
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Well it is spring, so cute lambs and their mums are everywhere.
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Going up the service road to the reservoir, lower right you can see the trackway of the 4 mile long narrow gauge railway built to supply the workers and a squillion wagons full of clay to make the dam. We are going up the road you can see winding up the valley.
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After a long hot uphill slog we got up to the head of the valley, you can see the dam wall up above us at last.
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When we got to the dam wall we could hear a noise like a strimmer, I looked up and saw a drone above us. I thought it might belong to plod, there to tell us to go home or else, but at the top was a guy who made it land at his feet, packed it into his rucksack and left. This is the reservoir, I liked this shot for the guy skimming stones. You can see the Holme Moss transmitter aerial on the horizon. We had an illicit picnic here but don't tell the police though. for some reason it won't be a problem from Wednesday though, and we could go for more than one walk a day, if we had the energy.
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Quite a lonely place, a few years ago there was a sad mystery about a guy who came up here to poison himself, with no ID or missing report it turned out after a year and much investigation that he was a Brit expat who had flown back from Pakistan to this place to meet his end, noone really knows why.
We walked allong the Valley Top, past the grimly named Charnel Stones and on to Dovestones Edge, overlooking the lake. Somewhere nearby a Pathfinder Mosquito, ironically lost after a raid on Hamburg, crashed into the cliff, there are still bits up there, a battered RR Merlin engine and part of the instrument panel I have seen in the Manchester Air & Space museum. The line of cottages we walked past before is visible just above the left hand end of Dovestones Reservoir dam, to the left of the mill - you can see its roof.
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As I took this picture I jokingly said to Karen 'just move back a few feet' to my horror she didn't get the joke and stepped back towards a huge drop :o I had to quickly stop her, she's not that well insured!
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This is what she had her back to, photo after we'd come down the track on the left. where the stream cut deep into the hillside the path suddenly became more like rock climbing, scary and unexpected.
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Before we came down I saw in the distance this stone cross, a memorial to the MP for Oldham, accidentally shot and fatally wounded by the Mayor in 1857. Awkward. http://www.stanwardine.com/melyniog_letters/James_Platt_Shooting_Death_Account-29-Aug-1857_Oldham_Chronicle-transcription.txt (http://www.stanwardine.com/melyniog_letters/James_Platt_Shooting_Death_Account-29-Aug-1857_Oldham_Chronicle-transcription.txt) This is what I dislike about phone cameras, fine at normal resolution, but horribly grainy as soon as you enlarge the picture with zoom. That said, my phone goes into my pocket, my 'good' cameras both weigh a ton.
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Some shots around Dovestones Reservior, complete with doves (last one). Also in that picture you can see Whimberry Stones, where we were last Saturday, on the skyline
I love the light in this first shot.
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Finally a slightly disturbing reminder of why were doing this, before we get unleashed on the World again, only to miss what's been under our noses the whole time....
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We went home, for a large G&T or three.
Post by: MrDavo on May 18, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
As we've been walking to high places that we often see and never visit, my thoughts turned to the Winter Hill TV mast. Its 1,000 ft high, on top of a 1,500 ft high hill, so pretty good coverage. 30 Miles away from our house, it still is clearly visible, especially at night when it is all lit up with a string of red lights. Looking at Google maps, there is a road all the way up, and newly liberated as the lockdown eases, we left our local area for the first time since it began.
We took the Sportster as the Mrs doesn't feel safe perched on the end of the CL450 seat with no grabrail. the roads were busier than in a long while, but still free flowing for a Saturday (no footie etc). Climbing up Winter Hill, we suddenly came across signs and a barrier that stopped us from going further - it's a private road. Originally built in the 1950's by Plod, so they could put a police radio mast at the top of the hill, it is now owned by the company that run the TV transmitter. As Father Dougall learned, if something you expect to be very big is smaller than you expected, that's because it is far away still. here, that applies to the TV mast, on the skyline just left of centre.
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It was a still mile or so uphill, but at least our legs are fit after all this walking up hills, we're getting used to it, but not carrying helmets usually.
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As we got closer, I forget a golden rule of photography, that the sea is flat (never sloping), and aerials tend to go straight up! The joggers weren't just going downhill, they ran up, turned round and ran straight back down again. Masochists!
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If you've ever had your tent pegs ripped out by the wind (or drunks that pass in the night) at a bike rally, you'll understand why a 1000ft high mast needs good guy ropes and tent pegs.
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I get vertigo looking up, not down, and had to hang onto to something solid before I could look up at the mast from the bottom. For the same reason I'm not entirely happy riding over the Severn Bridge, for example. If I look up, I wobble.
The view from the top was ridiculous, although it was too hazy to take decent pictures with my phone camera. From the trig point at the top we could see Snowdonia, the Peak District, the Lake District, Liverpool Bay, Morecambe Bay and the Pennines. Manchester looks like a miniature toy town from up there. There are a bunch of other aerials up there along the top of the hill, plod, BT, mobiles, the Government Backbone network (for after the bomb drops) and a load more, probably Bolton bin lorries etc etc.
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If you will go sticking big hills up into the sky, then as we learned earlier, bad things can happen to lost aeroplanes in poor weather. Here in 1958 a Manx airliner, off course due to a navigation error and full of car dealers off to a jolly at a motor show, plowed into the hill in a blizzard, so bad that the snowed in transmitter staff didn't know a thing about it until an injured copilot turned up at the door.
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Another grim memorial, this is Scotsman's Stump, where a traveling salesman was robbed and killed back in 1838.
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Like our local moors, all this area was devastated by fires in 2008, but is recovering well.
Post by: mike the bike on May 19, 2020, 11:15:33 AM
Post by: MrDavo on May 21, 2020, 03:05:31 PM
We took it to the garage next to the bridge that Oddjob and I were discussing earlier in the thread. I watched a couple of artics go over the bridge, they either very slowly and deliberately use every inch of the road, its a very tight approach, to a narrow bridge at 90 degrees to the road, or don't bat an eyelid and make it obvious that the driver does it every day without worrying in the slightest. If I go with the wife to pick the car up again I'll take a photo.
Before the lockdown we'd have taken two cars, now we walked home the long way, along the canal bank.
We were met by some inquisitive goslings, eager to see if we'd brought sandwiches:
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Mum and dad soon came over to keep an eye on things. Flipping Canada Geese, coming over here and eating our bread....
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This is pretty much unique, an electricity pylon straddling a canal. put there when the canal wasn't there any more. Back in the 1980's, I remember walking along the line of the long disappeared canal, and this pylon was alone in an empty field, with no trees, no water and no sign of where the canal had ever been. This was the first time I'd been along this stretch since the canal was restored, the difference is staggering.
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This may be the end of our walks as the lockdown eases, or maybe we'll keep doing them anyway, we've enjoyed making the best of a bad situation.
Post by: MrDavo on July 07, 2020, 04:17:05 PM
When we got there on Saturday we were having trouble finding Gamelands stone circle, until I wondered how come that sheep was tall enough to be looking over the hedge at me....
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Here's a top tip for walkers - when your weather app predicts double windsocks, make your way to the highest point possible, hopefully there will be a handy concrete trig point, to hide behind from the horizontal hail!
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The view wasn't bad though. The Howgills, known as the sleeping elephants.
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Post by: Johnny4428 on July 08, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
Some good aerial photography there.😂😂