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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB500/550 => Topic started by: Menno on November 21, 2016, 10:28:39 PM
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There have been questions about candy gold and candy starlight gold.
I'm posting here pictures of 4 covers of the cb 500 four.
No further commend for now...
Which is the starlight gold?
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1+3 candy
2+4 starlight
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No2 is definitely Candy Custom Gold, I'm fairly sure 1 & 3 are starlight Gold which leaves No4 being Candy Custom Gold, providing of course you've done a pair in each colour as TBH No4 and No3 look pretty much the same.
I've found Candy Custom Gold as it appeared on the K1 onwards to have much larger flakes of metallic and to be slightly more orangy, Starlight is more subdued IMO.
I am with you on this one Ken. Yes, the Candy Gold had bigger flakes and was a very rich gold that had a slight orange when the sun hit it.
I would say number 1 is starlight but, non are candy Honda gold.
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No.1 ......................Now what's the prize? ;D ;D ;D
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No.1 ......................Now what's the prize? ;D ;D ;D
A matching nail varnish, as touch up, chosen by you Julie ! :D :D
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Wow Ash, that would take some serious research and many a shopping trip to get a good match for that ;D ;D ;D
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Maybe this will help:
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It shows that the bottom one is darker Ken😆😆😆
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So by your deducing Ken, my guess of No.1 could well be right.
But there again, I'm just wondering if they are in fact all the same colour ?
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2 is starlight gold
1,3,4 and5 are all candy
Can't stare at it anylonger the screens on its max brightness and now I feel like I have arc eye
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You always looked like you had arc eye, especially the one in the middle :-* :-* :-*
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only special people get to see my third eye :o
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When you wasn't looking ;D ;D Now young Mick, is that your final answer or will you change your mind......again, by the morning?
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I changed my mind half dozen times before posting so it quit likely
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Well, rightly or wrongly I'm sticking with No.1, I don't want to be known as a Woman that keeps changing her mind ;D ;D
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Agree with Green1 that No2 is the Starlight and the rest Candy
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Now I know why my side panels don't match the Tank.
I thought the side panels had faded but no I have a Candy Tank and Sunlight Panels.
More work for Menno When he gets the Paint Match correct for Sunlight Gold.
::)
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Now I know why my side panels don't match the Tank.
I thought the side panels had faded but no I have a Candy Tank and Sunlight Panels.
More work for Menno When he gets the Paint Match correct for Sunlight Gold.
::)
I noticed the wrong paint and clock when it was for sale. See your head at the engineers, looks very good.
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No Oddjob, look at the original thread title, it's SARTLIGHT :😂😂😂😂😂
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😁😁😁😁😁
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So, I've been looking and searching a lot the last couple of years for colours and codes.
Does anyone have an ORIGINAL list or a copy from an original list with the correct HONDA codes on candy gold and candy starlight gold?
I'm asking because.. well I have never seen candy starlight gold in my life.
And I've seen a lot of candy gold you can believe me.
This is not a joke.
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So, I've been looking and searching a lot the last couple of years for colours and codes.
Does anyone have an ORIGINAL list or a copy from an original list with the correct HONDA codes on candy gold and candy starlight gold?
I'm asking because.. well I have never seen candy starlight gold in my life.
And I've seen a lot of candy gold you can believe me.
This is not a joke.
There are no codes for these early paints, just names. Starlight was only used for a very short period, before they moved on to candy gold.
I use a lot of paints from RS paints and also use them as a reference, some are a little hit and miss as it is a little complicated because of the different bikes, with different colours in different countries. >> http://www.rsbikepaint.com/en-gb/colours.php#makeid=3&modelid=3
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What is interesting is that I posted 4 sidepanels from 4 different tanksets and that no one picked the right colour to be candy starlight.
What I was hoping for is that someone would answer: He, they al look about the same to me.
Which they actually do.
I even posted a NOS panell of a 250 Which is sprayed to dark but still is about the same colour.
The sidepanel you've kindly sent me has a perfect match with a candy gold cb 250 tank. (I'll post a picture tomorrow)
As I'm not mistaken the 250 didn't come in starlight, did they?
I wrote a story about how difficult it is to paint a candy colour exactly the same as the original.
Now some colours are easier and some are more difficult.
Difficult: candy gold, candy jade green, antares red, candy bluegreen. Often the lighter colours.
But please think about this:
Honda produced really a lot of those bikes.
I don't know any production numbers but there have been more than thousands I guess.
All these tanks for these bikes were not painted by one man in one day.
No there must have been many different workers in changing conditions. Using each a slightly different technique.
Some could spray a thicker layer of paint than others. Resulting in a darker colour.
Even when the bikes rolled out of the factory there were distinct colour differences.
(It didn't matter as long as the tank was painted at the same time by the same person in the same conditions as the sidepanels.)
Someone from the forum wondered why Honda went through all this trouble with candy paint in the first place.
I can imagine a couple of sets were painted lighter than others. And maybe someone said; 'Well let's call that starlight.'
I'm not saying starlight candy doesn't exist. But I've never seen it in my life.
Let me explain: a different Honda colour has always an unique combination.
I have really no clue what that difference could be with starlight compared to custom gold.
Doesn't mean I give up looking and searching. So if anyone has a starlight gold cover or tank to help out - Please.
Attached I have two pictures of candy antares red. I painted both. One set is obviously painted to dark.
Antares red is a very difficult colour to paint. But even with so much difference everyone still sees both as candy Antares red.
The gold panels I've posted have less of a colour difference.
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It says really Sartlight :o
How did I miss that? ???
Sorry people ... well I fixed it. :)
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I have seen loads of Candy gold and a few Starlight original painted sets, and the Candy defiantly has a larger flake in the paint.
Yes, I understand that a different sprayer will come out with a slightly different result but, how do Yamiya get it right every time ? And not at a bad price of 830 euro for new tank and panels.
I know that Honda never made the tanks, panels or sprayed them. In that case the tank and panels would have come as a set, to keep it looking the same. Did have a low, well looked after, 1 owner, original 750 in once and the panels on the bike looked spot on. But remove the panels and put them side by side, you could see a very slight difference in the colour.
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It says really Sartlight :o
How did I miss that? ???
Sorry people ... well I fixed it. :)
Hi Menno
One odd thing that I've learned over the years about this forum software is that just editing the title of a reply doesn't actually change anything.
You have to correct the original post - from which all replies are directed.
I've edited your first post and all future replies should be correct.
Odd but true...
Steve
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And you lot call me an 'anorak' ;D ;D ;D ;D
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In my service letter book I have several pages of what colours were available on what Honda bikes up to 74 i think, give me time to find it and scan it and i will put it up, Ash you can then add it your emporium if you wish
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Got me confused here Menno. Why have you asked for another Starlight panel, you have one, the paint is pretty mint, it's definitely Starlight as I bought it to match a tank I'd bought which my employer had incorrectly ordered thinking it was Candy Custom Gold, it came out of a sealed Honda bag complete with the KC ending to the part number, meaning it's Starlight AND I also have another matching panel which is exactly the same colour.
I've had both colours side by side and I can honestly say they are VERY different, the Custom is more orange, has larger flakes and is far deeper in colour. Starlight looks more metallic than Candy, very small flakes and looks TBH more gold than Custom.
I have a matching tank, bought brand new and it was a perfect match for all 3 pieces, you've not said which panel is Starlight but I can certainly say I took a pic of the same panel you have, to send to Trigger so he could try and colour match it, it was taken with the panel on a window ledge, so plenty of natural light and when I studied the pic it looked much darker in the pic than in the flesh.
Not sure on the 250 paint, it's possible they did a bike in Starlight but if so I have no knowledge of it. Would make sense though.
Is it possible you've been spraying Starlight all along thinking it was Candy Custom Gold?
You may have something there Oddjob, I have seen this picture on Mennos site and I would bet my last $ it was starlight.
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Not forgetting that Honda listed 3 different numbers in the parts book for Gold CQ, KC and LX.
I did have a picture of a starlight 500 sitting next to a Candy gold 750 but, can't find it at the moment.
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Guys I simply don't know.
Oddjob... number 3 is your panel:
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Me did say that non of the panels in the first group of photo's were Honda Candy gold. I think you need to buy a side panel from Yamiya to match the candy gold. They are the best match I have ever seen.
Honda used 3 golds in the 70's.
KC is for the CB500K0
LX is for the CB500K1
CQ is for the CB100K0
CB175K4
CB350K2
CB450K3
CB750K
This is CQ but, on a 45 year old panel (with a shite camera ) It looks a lot darker with a slight orange with the eye. If you tilt your screen you will see the colour change.
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Cor i didn't think this gold could be such a mine field.
PLEASE MENNO DON'T GET WORRIED BY THIS.
Menno has painted my 175 in gold and i will get it in the next few weeks, i have a gold 175 fork lower
in the original Honda brown paper and never seen the light of day for extended time.
The gold is as i remember it on my 175 in 72 so will be interesting to see my new paint compared to the sample,
yes maybe in the light of this discussion i should have sent it to him.
watch this space
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I've found these on the internet:
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The bottom picture looks like LX but. I see that these are not OEM panels. Too many badge holes and not black on the bottom mounting lug.
I was also wondering if in the German parts book on the 500K0 if it says Starlight gold or Candy.
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I though I would contact a friend (trader) in Germany to find out if Starlight gold on the 500K0 was used in Germany but, it is very confusing and no conclusive answer.
He responded with :
Hi Graham,
sorry for the late response.
I'm not too sure myself. I never owned a K0 when it was first released. Some German Honda owner web sites state that starlight gold was available in Germany whereas others claim the K0 was never sold with starlight gold in Germany.
Regards
Frank
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So, after all your help it might be interesting to tell about my findings on this matter.
Thanks everyone for their input on this matter.
So there are three kinds of candy gold to be found on Honda bikes from the 70's
One of them is candy starlight gold:
The right one is an original sidecover and is exactly the same as the one Oddjob send to me.
The left one I painted.
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Now for the interesting part: I have a cb 350 tank in starlight gold as well.
It is a bit fainted but clearly the same colour.
This makes me believe that starlight gold was not only for a cb 500 four.
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An other colour is candy custom gold.
It's the darker version of starlight gold.
Interesting:
Both have the same base silver metallic.
The difference between them? More orange in the yellow candy, that's it.
It is almost like someone experimented with the candy and put in some more orange.
The left one is the candy custom gold the right one the starlight gold.
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The third colour is a much lighter candy - almost citron colour.
I've seen it on Honda dax for instance:
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But also on a cb 500 four (?)
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I'm not very good with colours but I can see the Dax and the CB500K0 are two totally different colours. Very interesting posts your putting on Menno.
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Menno - you sure that 500 pic isn't the Candy Jade green promotional bike, just with the photo over exposed?
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You are spot on James ;)
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Maybe the last picture isn't a good example. I've put a questionmark with it.
Maybe someone has a better picture?
Also; I've noticed that it make a lot of difference on what kind of computer you watch those pictures.
I once saw my own website at a clients place and I was surprised to see how different the colours looked in comparisment with the computer I work with.
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So did starlight gold come with the gold sidepanel decal then??
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Agree with Menno that viewing on a computer screen seems to give a whole variety of colours. But on the same screen the Dax and cb500 look different. Could not make up my mind about my 500K1. Wanted it gold, but some of the variations that I viewed online I could not live with. So it was either brown or black. So I chose candy ruby red.
And I have been using it Menno, but eventually when I pull it apart, do the primary chain on put the new pipes on it I'll send you a pic Menno.
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Those transfers were never in the UK parts book and I was never able to get any from Honda, Only got the part number from a Japanese parts book and had the reproduced by the Canadian firm
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So did starlight gold come with the gold sidepanel decal then??
:o you lost me there.
I don't understand what you mean.
Oddjob and Bryanj seem to understand it though... (?)
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What James is on about is, the starlight gold came with black decals on the panels and the green had gold side panel decals. The picture clearly shows gold decals.
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Menno Its the "Honda Motor Co, Tokyo Japan" sticker that goes below the side panel badge but is only found on the 500K0
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Oh Right. I've seen them on the bike James did in gold.
Never seen those on a 500 on the continent though.
Or maybe I wasn't looking ???
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I saw one on a UK one in the 70's and remember it as the side panel was damaged in an accident and Honda denied all knowledge of the sticker and said it didn't exist. Since seen lots on US bikes