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Title: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Skwid on April 30, 2019, 08:41:11 AM
I’ve got a CB500 four K1 bobber, when I open the throttle at low speed in any gear there is a noise I can only describe as sounding like a chain slipping on a sprocket or two sprockets not meshing properly, it doesn’t affect performance and only does this at a low speed, it also does it if I put it in gear hold the brakes on and slowly let the clutch out to biting point, drive chain is adjusted front and rear sprockets are good and cam chain is adjusted, any ideas welcome.
I hav Ben offered a complete CB750 bottom end but I don’t know if my top end will fit.
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Trigger on April 30, 2019, 08:59:53 AM
Welcome to the mad world of the SOHC.
The noise is most probably the primary chain chewing through the main oil gallery and for fitting a  500 top end to a 750 bottom end, no way  ;)
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: matthewmosse on April 30, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
Worth dropping the sump to check it's not the primary chain eating through the oil gallery. Fraid correcting that's and engine out, split the cases job. At least checking it's not eating through the galley is fairly quick and easy, about 11 x m6 bolts  and an oil change. The sump uses an o ring so not even a gasket to change.
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: deltarider on May 01, 2019, 08:25:37 AM
I'm almost sure the chain must be eating into the case on my bike (>135.000 km). Sofar I have not read about or seen any case where the oil supply was indeed compromised, so I decided - foolishly maybe - not to worry and I volunteered to be a guinea pig, so to say :D
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Trigger on May 01, 2019, 08:36:51 AM
If you have never seen, then you have not worked on enough CB500 engines  ;)



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Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: deltarider on May 01, 2019, 11:37:00 AM
Point is I've read a couple of times that owner's, that had replaced the primary chain, had the noise reoccur in a short period of time. I should add I have (a little) hope that Honda - aware of the 'problem' - has modified the production somewhat on CB500s that were on the assembly line in 1976.
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Bryanj on May 01, 2019, 11:41:44 AM
Nope, the 550 is recast slightly and is not quite as bad but still its. It was only the 650 that was redesigned with a tensioner.
Oh and whilst in there change the cush rubbers in the primary driven unit.
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Trigger on May 01, 2019, 05:26:05 PM
And don't forget the cush rubbers  ;D ;D

If racing one of these engines you can go through a chain in 4000 miles or less but, race engines are always stripped and rebuilt after 3 to 5 races  ;)
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Trigger on May 01, 2019, 10:00:11 PM
And don't forget the cush rubbers  ;D ;D

Damn, I forgot to mention the cush rubbers  :) :)

Is that all 8 of them  ;)
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: jon stead on May 05, 2019, 09:32:55 AM
Well this post saved me asking about my noise as the OP could have been written by me about a similar noise coming from my engine in the same circumstances.

I understand it’s engine out and split the cases to renew primary chain and Cush rubbers but can the cases be split without dismantling the top end? I.e. can the engine be turned upside down and the bottom case lifted off?
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: jon stead on May 05, 2019, 10:06:44 AM
Yes but you'll need to remove the cam to allow the camchain to be removed with the crank. You'll also need to split the conrods away from the crank but that's not hard.
Thanks Oddjob, that’s maybe my task this next winter. Don’t intend to do many miles during the summer but would like the bike available for the odd sunny day.
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Skwid on May 06, 2019, 08:47:16 AM
Thanks for the info fellas, looks like I got a bit of work to do later in the year. As kind as I can get out to a few local shows I’ll be happy.
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Bryanj on May 06, 2019, 12:51:33 PM
You are in Reading not far from Gloucester.

With all required spares to hand bring me the engine by 9am and take it home done late afternoon BUT this is if nothing extra is needed!
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Trigger on May 06, 2019, 02:14:59 PM
You should know by now Bryan, there is always something else  ;)
Title: Re: Honda CB500 K1 engine noise
Post by: Bryanj on May 07, 2019, 04:22:50 AM
Yup but waiting for the one that proves me wrong mate!!!!
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