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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB750 => Topic started by: theriddler on September 19, 2018, 10:54:42 AM
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Having had my bike recovered by the police, I have decided not to make an insurance claim but have some bits to sort out. By the way thanks for the encouragement/support I've got from people on here ...
Now down to business ...
Vin plate removed - searched on here & found uk based place to supply a stamped plate which was good. What do you think of outcome?
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Another thing I am having to do is replace ignition & seat locks. OK with seat lock, but was looking for help on disassembling an ignition lock in order to make both seat lock & ignition lock to work from same key. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated ....
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The VIN plate looks great. Where did you get it from and do they stamp it for you? I bought a plain, un-stamped one for my 400/4 but had trouble finding suitable stamps of the correct size it didn't turn out very well so I'd like to replace it with one like yours if possible?
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http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,5683.0.html
This the link to the thread I found ... also some extra useful info. about what needs to be stamped. Stamping was included. Cost £25 for stamping & £16.95 for plate. There is a range of blanks to chose from. Pretty good quality ... the odd stamp pitching slightly out maybe but very good overall... Judge yourselves from photo ... I have intentionally blanked out the frame number ... also came with a pair of rivets ...
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Just a word of caution here, even if you don't make a claim on your insurance, you MUST inform them about the theft if you have not already, otherwise when a blind woman reverse over your bike and doesn't stop, they wriggle out of paying any claim you do make!
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Yes - that was the second call I made , the first one being to the police ... I wonder if I will see some form of premium increase as a result regardless of not actually making a claim!?!
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Possibly, but at least they are aware. Might be worth alarming the garage to make a repeat attempt harder, plus the insurers will view it favourably.
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Insurance companies base premiums on the theft rates of a particular postcode. Even if you call in to the insurance company to advise a bike was stolen from a particular area and not subsequently claim as far as the insurance company are concerned thieves operate in that area and hey presto, the premiums go up for that area!
All the above apply to household and car/caravan and boat insurance policies.
Insurance is legalised mugging as far as I'm concerned, by law you have to have it (well, the majority of road users do) but why are the premiums so high when you don't claim? I have claimed once in 40 years and still my premiums are high. When I ask the insurance companies for an explanation I'm told its where I live, my job, my age, I'm not married, I'm a man, I ride a motorbike etc, etc, etc!
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But equally Odd-job, the proposal forms ask about ANY accident or loss, regardless of whether a claim was made or not. Fail to disclose at your peril, they will use any excuse not to pay out if you do need to claim in the future. Police and insurers are closely linked these days, they'll happily take your money for premiums, but if they do a cross check with the Police about the vehicle being involved in any accident / incident, they won't pay out.
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I agree with Hairy, any excuse not to pay out is the first line of defence of the insurance companies. Strangely enough they don't mention their tactics when they are attempting to lure you into their clutches!
Oddjob, my point entirely, I claimed once, 19years ago when I knocked off my 6month old VFR. The claim cost £2,300. Over 40years of insurance I must have paid at least £15k in premiums and yet my policy still increases. I can't wait for the day of my renewal when the insurance company's says, “Dave, you've not made a claim in 19 years, you've been with us for 24 years so have next years insurance on us foc“! 🙄
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Possibly, but at least they are aware. Might be worth alarming the garage to make a repeat attempt harder, plus the insurers will view it favourably.
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Actually Nottinghamshire police victim support dropped me off 2 vibration alarms to stick on inside of door - boy are they LOUD!!! Hopefully that will help. also cameras to an NVR.
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I'd agree with that Hairy to some extent but why does your premium go up when you don't make a claim, doesn't seem justified to me, in fact it sounds more like theft than the actual theft.
What's even worse, is that I'm reluctant to let the insurers loose on any repair work - one of the reasons why I didn't make a claim!
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Hmm ... looks like I've stirred up a hornet's nest!!!
Not exactly my intention ... what I was hoping to do was something positive, that is the challenge of sorting/repairing the bits to get my bike back to top condition ... along the way hopefully helping some others out who are looking for similar info. (e.g. vin plate replacement - as above...) :) :) :)
Oh... and in case it got lost in the above "discussion":
" ...Another thing I am having to do is replace ignition & seat locks. OK with seat lock, but was looking for help on disassembling an ignition lock in order to make both seat lock & ignition lock to work from same key. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated ...."
- any pearls of wisdom? I know you can get Chinese replacement locks, but I'm interested in rebuilding a set of original locks ... depending on how successful I am I may well get a pair of Chinese locks anyway (& then make them work with the same key...). I am quite used to rebuilding locks... so it's something I'm looking forward to getting on top of!
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Where did you get your weights information from.
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From the thread that I linked in previous post ... (4th post I think...)
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Different on the USA ones then. I was just a bit surprised to see a train weight of 426kg which is the weight including trailer. Which we were not allowed to tow in 1976 in the UK, but maybe so in some mainland Europe countries.
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I have disassembled the ignition lock on my 400 Four, as I wanted to keep the one key operation. When recommissioning my 400, I found out that the switch part had melted. The mechanical lock part separates from the electronic switch by releasing the plastic tangs. I obviously just needed a new switch part, but be aware there are two types of switch part / barrel parts which are not interchangeable. I have a couple of s/h original parts and a barely used DSS one if they are the same type. Let me know if you want a couple of piccies, I can photograph at the W/E
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That would be really good if you could... Thanks v. much...
What I am trying to do (because they butchered the lock cylinder on seat lock & smashed the ignition lock ... how they managed to do that without smashing the idiot light cover - I don't know!), is to rebuild the seat lock with a new lock cylinder and replace the top (mechanical half) of the ignition switch. I have a set of SH locks coming in post, which I'm hoping I can get keys cut for from the key code on seat lock?? alternative is to strip down the lock barrels and match the lock wafers up ... we'll see... but any info/piccies up front for me to study would be really good! :)
I have disassembled the ignition lock on my 400 Four, as I wanted to keep the one key operation. When recommissioning my 400, I found out that the switch part had melted. The mechanical lock part separates from the electronic switch by releasing the plastic tangs. I obviously just needed a new switch part, but be aware there are two types of switch part / barrel parts which are not interchangeable. I have a couple of s/h original parts and a barely used DSS one if they are the same type. Let me know if you want a couple of piccies, I can photograph at the W/E
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This shows the white switch part separated from the barrel. I have two barrels and two white switch parts if they're any use. The white switch parts doesn't fit those barrels. Just postage @ cost. If you want a nearly new DSS switch with two keys, I will want half of the DSS costs plus postage
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This shows the white switch part separated from the barrel. I have two barrels and two white switch parts if they're any use. The white switch parts doesn't fit those barrels. Just postage @ cost. If you want a nearly new DSS switch with two keys, I will want half of the DSS costs plus postage
That would really be great!!! Will get back to you tonite! What would you like for all the parts & postage? Perhaps PM me?
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Looking at the 3 pictures above, I think my lock was like the first picture... thanks very much for the parts...
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Picture of 2 halves of my lock...
Also if you look at 2nd picture above my ignition lock is snaped off where the steel section starts....basically the lock barrel is missing ...
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No reason NOT to make an insurance claim as long as the cost exceeds your policy excess...just make sure you get cash in lieu of repairs. Get quotes for parts, send them in, and providing they consent....you can get the money. Not helpful unless the cost goes over your excess.
I have done this in accidents where I was not at fault, as I object to the way certain garages act when they sniff an insurance claim. Suddenly...costs seem to go up. I had a major row with one claims handling firm who attempted to export my bike and sell it for parts on the assumption I was accepting a payout for total loss. What I did was agree to retain the bike for an agreed sum as they refused to give anything like it's value as a write-off. Had to threaten legal action to get it back. Technically..they stole it. The bike was written off, but I retained clear title to it. When I did get it back...they had damaged it in transit...so I screwed them for that too! I tarted up a few bits and moved it on. Even as a cosmetic writeoff, I got 4 times what they offered as salvage. Plus the settlement..plus the compensation for damage in transit. Ever since...I decided I would not just let insurance companies have their way. You are doing hte right thing keeping control of the vehicle and the claim.
As far as locks go....I have seen articles on filing the pins inside a lock to fit a key. Obviously not the ignition...but possible to do it to the seat lock so it will operate with whatever key you do have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMuVHxuQSc
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Thanks for confirming that! Just had a bad feeling about not having control of where the bike was! I'll see about claiming against cost of repair ... could just seeing it winding me up & messing with my blood pressure!
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Thanks to Dave (thegreatpan) my ignition lock now rebuilt & working well .. fortunately had the correct wafers from one of Dave’s locks & my old seat lock to match my key ... any recommendations on lock lube ... I was thinking of some form of ptfe dry lube spray but having trouble sourcing something. I have ptfe spray but the aerosol doesn’t seem to evaporate off ... so not really what I’m after?
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Glad to be able to provide some parts. One less thing to do.
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White grease for locks
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White grease for locks
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Doesn’t any form of grease eventually pick up dust & grit & then mess with lock?
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Graphite dust or a silicon dry spray for locks, like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graphite-Powder-Lock-Lubricant-Cylinder-Car-Padlock-/132771722002
or this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-In-One-Professional-Silicone-Lubrication-Spray-400ml-Quick-Dry-Spray-New/323399359025?epid=1537988412&hash=item4b4c1a9a31:g:Zx4AAOSwik9bdYVR
I'm sure you can get both types cheaper than those on eBay.
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Technically yes.
However, what sort of environment will your lock be subject to, to collect sufficient dust and grit to affect the operation of it?
Or do you ride in the desert?
After I had a frame (RD200) blasted and powder coated, the steering lock was jammed solid with blasting media. aerosol white grease got it working again and it still works with no problems.
Just my experience.
Peter
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Well I've finished rebuilding both locks & after reading through above & having cleaned out all the sticky grease from barrel and around lock wafers, i have decided to use the following:
Tygris R237 PTFE Dry Film aersol spray.
I will see how it goes ... now on to sorting out the broken seat and getting all the muck off the rear shocks and generally from the frame.
EDIT: Spray worked really well & aerosol did indeed dry off. Maybe not the cheapest but did seem to work really well ... mind you I won't know for years most probably!
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Replacement seat and straightened side trim bits fitted & looking pretty good - the seat most probably better than my old seat before bike got stolen... have removed grab strap so I can try and get rid of a wrinkle in the seat cover by the grab handle mounting point... anyone got any ideas? Maybe I will just leave it... you don't really see it much once the strap is in place...
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I have now finished getting bike back up to spec...
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Looks very tidy :) Don;t see many in yellow...which is a shame, as I reckon it suits them. Most of the ones I have seen have been red, blue or black.
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Great result from what started out as a bit of a hopeless case.
Cheers
Dennis
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Have ridden bike yesterday ... all OK ... just need to balance carbs & fit new sprockets & chain...
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Great success story, bike 'recovered and repaired, back on road
Well done
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It's looking great, well done. Enjoy riding it in the last of the summer sunshine.