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Title: Patience needed!
Post by: Orcade-Ian on January 08, 2023, 09:52:26 AM
A friend sent me this you tube clip of a 400/4 model build - admired the process but not the result.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C47VW-vy9E0&feature=share

That model is about £40! Incredible value and detail

Ian
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Matt_Harrington on January 08, 2023, 10:26:46 AM
I'm astounded at the detail of the kit although I do wonder if some of the internal parts needed to be modelled. Like you Ian, the end result is not my cup of tea....
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: andy120t on January 08, 2023, 02:58:05 PM
Good kit! I have an old Ducati 900 MHR  and an RD350 which I built years ago and h ave been languishing in a box.... I might remodel those to be cafe racers too!.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: taysidedragon on January 08, 2023, 03:07:03 PM
They are great kits, very detailed and accurate fit of parts. Just like a real Honda!
My modelling skills aren't brilliant but it turned out ok. The most fiddly kit I've ever made.
It sits alongside an RC30, RC211V and a Z900.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: SteveW on January 08, 2023, 03:36:15 PM
Where do you get the kits from?
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Orcade-Ian on January 08, 2023, 03:40:12 PM
Steve, Kent models seem to have stock.  I dare not buy one - at my age I might not finish it - same reason I stopped buying long playing records   :)

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Ian
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Matt_Harrington on January 08, 2023, 03:42:08 PM
Turned out very well, if you ask me, Gareth...
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Orcade-Ian on January 08, 2023, 03:46:13 PM
Gareth, that's not a model - it's your bike on a photoshopped piece of wood - very well done, that man!

Ian
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: taysidedragon on January 08, 2023, 04:01:48 PM
Where do you get the kits from?

I got mine from Hiroboy. Kent models often have them in stock as well.

Thanks for the compliments guys, just don't look too closely. 😉
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: taysidedragon on January 08, 2023, 04:13:42 PM
There are 2 versions of kit with the different pillion peg mountings.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 08, 2023, 06:09:33 PM
Steve, Kent models seem to have stock.  I dare not buy one - at my age I might not finish it - same reason I stopped buying long playing records   :)


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Ian
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Spitfire on January 08, 2023, 07:17:31 PM
Some nice modelling going on here, makes me want to build one myself but my main interest is aircraft and I am halfway into a build at the moment so I will resist.

Cheers

Dennis
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: SteveW on January 09, 2023, 11:21:11 AM
Steve, Kent models seem to have stock.  I dare not buy one - at my age I might not finish it - same reason I stopped buying long playing records   :)


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Ian

Well I typed ‘Kent Models’ into Google, I got their website but also got some pictures of some rather large scantly clad ladies  :o
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: taysidedragon on January 09, 2023, 12:51:35 PM
Steve, Kent models seem to have stock.  I dare not buy one - at my age I might not finish it - same reason I stopped buying long playing records   :)


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Ian

Well I typed ‘Kent Models’ into Google, I got their website but also got some pictures of some rather large scantly clad ladies  :o

I'm going to have a look right now! 😂
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 09, 2023, 01:55:14 PM
Kent models you say?

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Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Oddjob on January 09, 2023, 02:07:02 PM
If they did a 500-4 I'd buy one like a shot.

Was a big model builder in my youth, spent 6 months just on the engine of a 109E, oil and rust stains coming down the engine etc. In all it took me almost 2 years to complete, I'd just finished spraying the lowerside of the wings in a light blue and left it on top of my wardrobe to dry, mum comes in hoovering, knocks the wardrobe and it fell off, smashed to bits. Threw it in the bin as I just didn't have the heart to do it all over again.

My favourites though were WW2 ships, I'd weight the hull with plasticine, make compartments out of carboard and drill a small hole in the front, they used to sink so realistically, sometimes taking up to 30 minutes to go down. I'd just sunk a model of the Hood when I was a young boy, my dad had made that, forgot about it and my brother who wanted a bath jumped in after I'd got out, sat down and the main mast of the model went right up his you know what, he jumped up with the model stuck to his arse, I got a bit of a leathering for that but boy was it worth it, still laugh now at the mental image.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: XS850 on January 09, 2023, 02:23:05 PM
Something I still do now (as well as rebuild older bikes) - mainly RC boats, recent ones completed - Titanic & Bismark & currently Hood under construction - struggling with hands & eyes though for the finer “bits”, age is a wonderful thing but with it comes problems - main reason I’ve given up on “larger” bikes!
Bruce

Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Oddjob on January 09, 2023, 02:28:25 PM
Remembered seeing a Titanic kit for sale, made of out tin plates which you rivetted together to get that authentic look and the anchor chain was made of individual brass links, was around 1978 and it was around £200. To rich for my blood back then but IIRC it was 14" long or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: SteveW on January 09, 2023, 04:00:00 PM
Have you seen the Lego Titanic, I quite fancy building that.

My Grandad was a steward for the White Star Line, he was supposed to sail with the Titanic on its maiden voyage but was transferred to a different ship at the last minute. That’s before he met my Nan.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Johnny4428 on January 09, 2023, 04:42:16 PM
Wow Steve, lucky escape!
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: rbt1548 on January 09, 2023, 07:28:08 PM
It must be a thing that attracts motorbikes and models,  I too do them, and I had a look at the Honda CB400 kit which will be on my list soon, I believe they do 2 versions. My problem is I cannot just do it from the box I have to detail it which of course adds loads of extra work, carbon fibre etc., and like working on bikes, there have been a few tantrums too .  ;D ::)

As it is a Honda forum, I will stick up a few pics of a 1/12 th scale Repsol Honda, and throw in a 1/12th Panigale and 1/20th Benetton for good measure


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Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Spitfire on January 09, 2023, 07:44:57 PM
Some really beautiful builds there, the finishing is top notch.

Cheers

Dennis
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 09, 2023, 07:51:54 PM
All these models are totally fascinating. I admire those that have the skill and patience. I tried to build an air fix plane when I was much younger, about 11, that my Dad bought me, it was a total disaster. The final straw was when my Mum got the roast spuds out of the oven and found a wing transfer stuck to a roastie 😂😂😂😂
I wonder if I have more skill and patience now 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: taysidedragon on January 09, 2023, 08:27:27 PM
Nice work rbt. Very impressed 👏
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Johnny4428 on January 09, 2023, 09:27:25 PM
Lovely looking models with great detail. Great hobby and cheaper than the real deal.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on January 09, 2023, 09:44:59 PM
Awesome as the young pups say.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: XS850 on January 10, 2023, 09:02:43 AM
Incredibly high standard there rbt, the time & patience required has to have been enormous - brilliant builds & thanks for sharing. Puts my “plastic” efforts to shame!
Bruce
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Orcade-Ian on January 10, 2023, 09:09:02 AM
Amazing models rbt - yes, it's strange that bikes, cars and models seem to be linked somehow.  I've done lots over the years and still have a few (still boxed) Tamiya models to do (no idea when I'll find the time though).
Julie, I think we all get more patient as we age - still better than being a patient I suppose.  Although I will admit that our new 'Smart TV' nearly got hurled through the lounge window last Saturday during initial set-up - Grrrrrr.
Strange that as we get older with diminishing eyesight and reducing dexterity, we seem to pick hobbies with smaller and smaller parts.

Ian
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: rbt1548 on January 10, 2023, 10:37:14 AM
Thank you for your kind comments.

I gave it up in my late teens and took it up again in my early thirties after my girls were born just for something to do and give me a bit of time for myself, everybody else in the house was female, including the dog and guinea pigs, hamsters and quite possibly the fish as well ;D, it could get a bit manic at times, now don't get me wrong, ladies are wonderful creatures, but when one of the aforementioned is 'debating' whether they were given permission to wear a certain item of clothing that belonged to the other it could get a bit raucous, I'm sure a good few will understand, to be honest when they moved out I missed it all ::).

I had a wee bit of a chuckle at something Nurse Julie mentioned,    "The final straw was when my Mum got the roast spuds out of the oven and found a wing transfer stuck to a roastie 😂😂😂😂, when my sister and I were clearing out my mother's house a few years ago, my sister shouted, "This will be yours!", and handed me a bowl with part of an RAF roundel stuck to it, it must have been there for well over 40 years stuck to the bowl.

Bruce said, "Puts my “plastic” efforts to shame!", I think that couldn't be futher from the truth, if you enjoy doing something that is the main thing, that's what gives you the pleasure and enjoyment,  sometimes doing all the detailing can have the opposite effect, it's not the first time I have lost the plot with something, 'just to get it right', it's not the first time and, I would imagine, not the last where I will just abandon something because it's not gone right and I get stressed with it when I should be enjoying it. Over Christmas there I did a FW190 straight out the box and thoroughly enjoyed doing it, and I can assure you I will be doing more like that.

My young grandson has done a couple with me, it was great, glue and paint all over the place, now that I thoroughly enjoyed, you ever seen a Tiger tank with a glitter camouflage?, doesn't matter we both enjoyed it.

If you think there are rivet counters in the bike world you haven't encountered the model world, I went to a club when I was about 19, never again, for me modelling and my bikes are for MY pleasure, not for someone to say x, y, or z is the wrong shade, if I want a glittery Tiger tank I shall have one.

I apologise for writing so long a reply, I went to write a line or two to say thanks for the kind words and got side tracked, the main thing is if you enjoy doing something, you do it, it's for your own pleasure and enjoyment, sometimes it helps if somethings not going right with the bike, I'll take a break and do a model or vice versa.

Do what you want to keep you sane :o

Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: rbt1548 on January 10, 2023, 10:49:02 AM
They are great kits, very detailed and accurate fit of parts. Just like a real Honda!
My modelling skills aren't brilliant but it turned out ok. The most fiddly kit I've ever made.
It sits alongside an RC30, RC211V and a Z900.

That is lovely!!!
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: rbt1548 on January 10, 2023, 10:52:46 AM
Something I still do now (as well as rebuild older bikes) - mainly RC boats, recent ones completed - Titanic & Bismark & currently Hood under construction - struggling with hands & eyes though for the finer “bits”, age is a wonderful thing but with it comes problems - main reason I’ve given up on “larger” bikes!
Bruce

Now, they are superb, the work that must have gone into them is something else.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Laverda Dave on January 10, 2023, 01:24:08 PM
I actually thought the Ducati was the real thing! Great detail in those, well done.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: MCTID on January 11, 2023, 12:42:32 AM
Mmmm that struck a nerve.......many years ago I owned a Triumph Stag. At the time it was the most beautiful vehicle in the world in my eyes. Pimento red and an exhaust note to die for....my eldest Daughter never said no to a drive out on a summers evening (sadly, her Mum and Daughter Number Two could never be that arsed) and the smile on her face was always worth all the aggro that bloody car caused me. 30+ years on and we still have that connection and that bond that anybody who doesn't understand it - will never understand it. Later today, she's being sworn in as a Magistrate and she can invite one Guest....that Guest is me. Not her Husband or one of her 3 Kids or any of her lifelong pals....me ! I'd like to think that bloody temperamental, awkward, cantankerous Stag is a big reason why she has asked me to accompany her. That bond we forged back then is unbreakable and it's held fast over some difficult dilemmas since. She's the most sensible person I know and her abundance of common sense and decency makes me firmly believe that in the Family Division, she's going to make the right decisions - every time- when it comes to deciding whether the Kids from a broken marriage will live with their Mum or Dad - or whatever.

I digress......back then, I joined the Stag Owners Club and went to a couple of their meetings and one memorable one was a Sunday at Tatton Park.....it was a splendid summers Sunday afternoon and some of the Stags being judged were simply breathtaking.......the cost to make them awesome and the efforts their Owners had put into them was incredible, and as an Engineer, I was mightily impressed, although I could never hope to match their skills, dedication or budget. One fabulous car had been subject to a painstaking body off restoration and when It came to the judging, it came nowhere.....not even in the top 5. I couldn't believe it and I asked the Owner why it had failed to impress the Judges. It was because during the renovation, he'd wanted to protect his investment, so he'd had a professional apply an underbody Undercoat and injected all the rust traps with a suitable preservative. The Judges marked the car down because those 'safeguards' would never have been applied by the Factory !

Well, that was it for me...I never attended any more Stag Owners Club meetings and never bothered with anything they had to say or do again.   
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Johnny4428 on January 11, 2023, 09:19:20 AM
Quite a story Alan! Pity the judges didn’t look beyond investment protection on their quest for originality.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: XS850 on January 11, 2023, 09:31:09 AM
MCTID - yours has definitely struck a nerve here! How many of us rebuild our bikes (yes including our subject headers 400 & 350’s) to an exact original spec! If you do, does it mean it’s worth more, is it more reliable & long lasting? I suspect a “true” original rebuild doesn’t exist - there will always be an “improvement” somewhere - and before anyone starts getting uptight at that statement just think about the painting & re-chroming to modern standards & materials, these areas will almost definitely be better than original factory build!
I recently completed re building a 65 Norton Jubilee, from the outside it looks as if original - but - the paintwork is better finished, some parts have been powder coated, cadmium plated bolts changed to stainless (in non structural points) or zinc plated, 12v instead of 6v, electronic ignition etc. It runs and ticks over smoothly (unlike the original) - I set out to be as original as possible with the rebuild but if I had, then I would have an “old dog” that wasn’t reliable, wouldn’t last and deteriorate quickly - just like it was “originally”!
So, just what is actually original in any rebuild nowadays - the “rivet” counters can have a field day when I finish my CB400F, but I know it’s as original as I can get it BUT not at the expense of reliability, long lasting & deterioration!
Aghhhhh - rant over- sorry, it’s a pet subject with me 😁😳
Bruce
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Oddjob on January 11, 2023, 04:30:45 PM
Been saying that for years Bruce. Unless it's just come out of a crate or has never been ridden no bike is original.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: TrickyMicky on January 11, 2023, 11:51:09 PM
Been saying that for years Bruce. Unless it's just come out of a crate or has never been ridden no bike is original.
.  If anybody else is interested in railways, then the famous "Flying Scotsman" locomotive is a perfect example of this. It was constructed 100 years ago, and over that period it has had numerous new boilers, frames, cylinders, etc. There is every possibility that the only parts that are original are the name and number, and yet people still get all dewy eyed about it, regaling about how marvellous it is that it's still running.  RIGHT, now for Trigger's broom------!
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: andy120t on January 12, 2023, 08:09:38 AM
Flying Scotsman is due in Hertfordshire on June 24th. Look at the schedule...she'll be everywhere next year.. Worth a ride-out to a local railway bridge as she goes under.

https://mechtraveller.com/2022/10/flying-scotsman-trips-in-2023-100th-anniversary/

Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 12, 2023, 09:52:14 AM
AlwYs left me a bit old the FS, always thought there were better engines out there. Never the less a chance to see it running and worth a ride outfit that alone. Not that it takes much of an excuse to get the bikes out


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Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Cappodimonte on January 12, 2023, 10:28:08 AM
Well, when it comes to rebuilding anything and I’ve done plenty you can count on it not being original because as soon as you replace an old nut and bolt or screw it is no longer ‘original’ it has been upgraded. You balance what you want to look as it did but couple it up with reliability. Especially as older parts can fail at Inopportune moments.
If you want a real uptight bunch then look no farther than the CAA or as one air bod termed them (Campaign Against Aviation ) as they expect a 70 year old aircraft part to be replaced with another 70 year old part, now to me that’s putting the craft and those in it at high risk.
Personally I’d go for rebuild with upgrade than putting an article back together with fatigued parts just so you can call it totally original.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Cappodimonte on January 12, 2023, 10:53:33 AM
Just to rub it in a bit I have a Bandai 1/12th scale Lotus 49 model in it’s original box with 3 as it’s racing number. This I believe was the Jim Clark racing designate, I also have a 1/12th scale of the gas turbine Indianapolis car in red which was part built and needs some love and attention to finish it off. Both models apparently can fetch quite a high price especially the Lotus which is very rare especially in it’s box.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: taysidedragon on January 12, 2023, 12:29:25 PM
Well, when it comes to rebuilding anything and I’ve done plenty you can count on it not being original because as soon as you replace an old nut and bolt or screw it is no longer ‘original’ it has been upgraded. You balance what you want to look as it did but couple it up with reliability. Especially as older parts can fail at Inopportune moments.
If you want a real uptight bunch then look no farther than the CAA or as one air bod termed them (Campaign Against Aviation ) as they expect a 70 year old aircraft part to be replaced with another 70 year old part, now to me that’s putting the craft and those in it at high risk.
Personally I’d go for rebuild with upgrade than putting an article back together with fatigued parts just so you can call it totally original.

I think you're jumping on the anti-CAA wagon there. They can be very pedantic about certification of parts, but parts do have a 'fatigue life' and if they've reached the end of their safe life you can't use them. Parts have to be approved and, if original manufacturers parts are still available and in usable condition,  then they should be used.
Newly manufactured parts are frequently approved for use, just look at all the Spitfires, Hurricanes and other warbirds that are being rebuilt from complete wrecks with just a few original parts left on them. 👍
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Cappodimonte on January 12, 2023, 12:54:05 PM
The conversation I had was with an engineer involved in warbird rebuilding so the comments made were by an expert in the field of aircraft refurbishment not any old joe. The CAA are more interested in originality than useability making it extremely torturous for rebuilding to take place.
In taking that route it’s a very expensive business, much the same as when you race anything, it always costs ten times as much as an ordinary road going vehicle, bikes included.
There’s making a profit and ripping the backside out of it.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: K2-K6 on January 12, 2023, 01:28:58 PM
I cant believe that the CAA would condone any fatigue lifed part to be in use for flight.

I trained in engineering at Farnborough with teaching from people working in Air Accident Investigation Bureau, with all that entails around certification, design, inspection etc etc, just can't see anything allowed to fly without the durability requirements being met for any component and regardless of age.

If an original component can't be scourced that met this level, then that in itself brings forward problems as a new/replacement would need verified standard of material science and certification to be even considered for use. That's even more expensive.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Multiman on January 12, 2023, 02:00:25 PM
The argument about originality exists in all areas of "renovation".

This young guy bought a famous old racing yacht for 1 USD and has been sorting it for the last 5/6 years.
The subject of "is it the original boat" has been discussed at length.
Worth a watch if you have a few days spare!

https://www.youtube.com/@SampsonBoatCo

The level workmanship is fantastic.

One other comment I heard, and I don't know the medical facts, virtually all the cells in our body have been replaced multiple times in our lives. Are we the same person we used to be?
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Oddjob on January 12, 2023, 02:04:13 PM
One other comment I heard, and I don't know the medical facts, virtually all the cells in our body have been replaced multiple times in our lives. Are we the same person we used to be?

Who do I complain to with regards to warranty, as my new cells aren't even close to being as good as my old cells.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: K2-K6 on January 12, 2023, 02:11:30 PM
On stress and lifing topic, going across Putney rail bridge ( ooh I saw so much on my day out) Son noticed the top layer of girders incorporated multi layers riveted and designed exactly like an inverted leaf spring to support transient loading as the train passed over.

These tapered out to nothing near the piers to optimise the stress concentration and spread it across more of the structure evenly.

Refurbished 1997 as general clean up with original structure still in place, was built and opened 1889 by one of Isambard's assistant ! If they get material and design correct it can be used for many years. Understanding what that entails is the clever bit.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: K2-K6 on January 12, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
One other comment I heard, and I don't know the medical facts, virtually all the cells in our body have been replaced multiple times in our lives. Are we the same person we used to be?

Who do I complain to with regards to warranty, as my new cells aren't even close to being as good as my old cells.

Do you have the original receipt sir  ;D
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Multiman on January 12, 2023, 02:15:18 PM
One other comment I heard, and I don't know the medical facts, virtually all the cells in our body have been replaced multiple times in our lives. Are we the same person we used to be?

Who do I complain to with regards to warranty, as my new cells aren't even close to being as good as my old cells.

I think you'll have to take that query upstairs, let us know how you get on.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Cappodimonte on January 13, 2023, 08:13:03 AM
Human beings like anything that ages suffer deterioration through our lifetime, some sadly are taken too soon, others last a century or more. We all have a Point A we just don’t know where our Point B is.
Title: Re: Patience needed!
Post by: Oddjob on January 13, 2023, 11:46:28 AM
I have the receipt somewhere, my mum and dad registered me for warranty purposes, I got a really nice certificate saying what day my warranty started. It says it's a lifetime guarantee but as with most things they always seem to find a loophole to avoid claims. The company is called NHS, which I understand means Not Here Sir when you ask if that's the place to go to get repairs.
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