Post by: gary123 on January 25, 2023, 04:18:38 PM
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Post by: taysidedragon on January 25, 2023, 05:40:26 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 25, 2023, 05:53:32 PM
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Post by: Sesman on January 26, 2023, 07:22:23 AM
Post by: gary123 on January 26, 2023, 10:02:01 AM
But that could change.
Post by: gary123 on January 28, 2023, 06:13:25 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 28, 2023, 06:52:25 PM
Got it home and its way better than I had hoped for so may go for a standard restoration. Doesn't seem right to cut a bike that can be saved.Makes sense Gary. To build bikes like mine and Grahams, you need to start with a pile of shite with a straight frame and log book 😂😂😂😂
Post by: Seabeowner on January 28, 2023, 06:58:01 PM
The future is Orange, ......hopefully not. :)And then there were three. Looks great and just the mirrors (easyish to get) and the exhaust (nigh impossible to get) to make it standard.
Post by: andy120t on January 28, 2023, 07:01:56 PM
It's already nicer than my finished article! But as long as it rides, I'm happy.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on January 28, 2023, 10:16:08 PM
Post by: K2-K6 on January 29, 2023, 12:06:48 AM
Got it home and its way better than I had hoped for so may go for a standard restoration. Doesn't seem right to cut a bike that can be saved.
You may be able to use something like a 750 F1 tank and fabricate a seat pan to have as the only significant mods (leave all frame alone) to get something different from std look with little work
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Of this ilk- ish, and fully returnable to stock.
Post by: Oddjob on January 29, 2023, 02:29:53 AM
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Post by: K2-K6 on January 29, 2023, 07:36:53 AM
Thought I'd put that up as illustration of how far just a small shift can be so very effective in the thread context of modifications. Doesn’t appear to have any frame mods but looks significantly different in style to original bike architecture.
The longer and easily available tank (if it fits the 550 frame) shifts the style and puts the rider further back, to need less compromise in seat length to then look in proportion while retaining those std rear frame legs and avoiding any need to cut.
Post by: gary123 on January 29, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
What's this talk of cutting up have I missed something here?
See post no 10. thats what I was thinking of doing, but will proberbly say with standard now.
Post by: gary123 on January 29, 2023, 11:54:29 AM
Got it home and its way better than I had hoped for so may go for a standard restoration. Doesn't seem right to cut a bike that can be saved.
You may be able to use something like a 750 F1 tank and fabricate a seat pan to have as the only significant mods (leave all frame alone) to get something different from std look with little work
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That F1 looks amazing but Im moving away from clip ons. The 2nd pic was what I had in mind and would involve cutting the back of the frame.
Im still thinking and it will take a while to strip and sort the engine so plenty of time.
Of this ilk- ish, and fully returnable to stock.
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 29, 2023, 12:12:53 PM
Post by: gary123 on January 29, 2023, 01:56:15 PM
Luckily, on both mine and Triggers mongrels, the only thing that Graham cut off was the back end of the frame and welded in a hoop and removed the seat hinges. This is easily reversable, just remove the hoop and weld the back end back on and the seat hinges. All the other frame tabs are still in situ in their original positions.
Yes, still thinking about doing that
Post by: gary123 on January 29, 2023, 02:39:04 PM
Post by: gary123 on January 31, 2023, 10:08:31 PM
Does anyone know which way mine will be before I smack the crap out of it. Its a 77 F1.
TIA
Post by: Bryanj on February 01, 2023, 12:54:12 AM
Post by: Oddjob on February 01, 2023, 01:39:58 AM
Post by: gary123 on February 01, 2023, 10:51:59 AM
Post by: gary123 on February 01, 2023, 12:51:05 PM
Post by: gary123 on February 02, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
On the plus side I found a tool kit of sorts and the original handbook (i think). Might put that on ebay, they seem to fetch silly money.[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
Post by: gary123 on February 02, 2023, 09:06:22 PM
Post by: Oddjob on February 02, 2023, 11:54:16 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 03, 2023, 07:25:37 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 03, 2023, 08:59:24 PM
Post by: Oddjob on February 03, 2023, 09:08:16 PM
Post by: K2-K6 on February 03, 2023, 09:11:59 PM
Seems they also made the Yoshimura pipes sold in UK by Dixon racing of Godalming in contemporary times.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 03, 2023, 09:12:58 PM
Rear wheel cush drive rubbers Ted..
Not dismantled my rear wheel yet - they look huge compared to the 400 bushes might be the camera angle!
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 03, 2023, 11:01:13 PM
Gary I have a set of good headers in black that have been craply welded onto a crap can by the previous gorilla, They're in not bad nick and would come up but in a conveluted sort of way, if you fancied a challenge. If there's enough meat on that collector and you fancy a head scratch you can have them mate and try and make a good set out of the two??
Quite a task and I dont know what youre left with on those but just a thought.....
Post by: gary123 on February 04, 2023, 09:58:45 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 04, 2023, 12:20:48 PM
Post by: gary123 on February 18, 2023, 05:18:49 PM
Post by: Oddjob on February 18, 2023, 08:56:22 PM
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Post by: mickwinf on February 18, 2023, 10:56:27 PM
Post by: gary123 on February 27, 2023, 08:38:08 PM
Trouble is I seem to have accidentally bought another one. Thanks Graham.
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 27, 2023, 08:50:42 PM
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Trouble is I seem to have accidentally bought another one. Thanks Graham.
Post by: gary123 on February 28, 2023, 08:05:45 PM
of SOHC stuff to get rid off. Including some complete bikes plus loads of hard to get stuff.[attachimg=1][attachimg=2][attachimg=3]
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 28, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
That's a van full of fun and money isn't it? ;D Looks really good, well done, what year is it?
Post by: Oddjob on February 28, 2023, 08:26:51 PM
Reflectors say a K0 model, if so the seat is different than the rest of the 500s.
Good luck with the build.
Post by: Sesman on February 28, 2023, 08:33:37 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 28, 2023, 08:34:36 PM
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Post by: Oddjob on February 28, 2023, 09:06:58 PM
Post by: gary123 on February 28, 2023, 09:13:45 PM
Gary, I don’t suppose Colin has a 550 F1seat does he?
Sorry, dont know. Hopefully he will sign up and make his stuff available.
I dont know the guy personally, but Ill message him to remind him of the forum.
Post by: gary123 on February 28, 2023, 09:23:05 PM
When the previous owner bought it it had a k reg plate but when he applied for a V5 the DVLA said they had no record of it and issued a new J reg plate.
The V5 now states "declared manufactured 1971, former keepers 0.
Getting it back to standard will be a massive money pit so this will probably be the mild custom Ive been threatening to do.
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 28, 2023, 09:43:15 PM
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Post by: gary123 on February 28, 2023, 09:53:45 PM
That’s a van full of treasure bud. What a great starting point for a great build. You should be chuffed with that
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Cheers Roo, it does seem a good starting point but as you know its not all plain sailing. Still, what else would we be doing. :)
Post by: Laverdaroo on February 28, 2023, 09:54:48 PM
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Post by: gary123 on February 28, 2023, 09:57:45 PM
Most likely a US import with a reg corresponding to it's age before DVLA decided to do the 1st Jan thing.
What would identify it as us import?
Seller really thought it was originally UK bike. Not that it matters to me, they are all imports.
Post by: Sesman on February 28, 2023, 10:09:38 PM
Post by: Seabeowner on February 28, 2023, 10:14:20 PM
It's good to see yet another 500 will be appearing here soon. If it is a 1971 500 then it is almost certain to be an import via Europe. If it has a VIN label on the headstock it will be from the US. But as you say they are all from Japan anyway and only us nerds can tell the differences.
Post by: Sesman on February 28, 2023, 10:23:19 PM
Post by: Sesman on February 28, 2023, 10:32:42 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 01, 2023, 12:49:17 AM
Or as I maintain….all Japanese exports. The UK registration stuff is bullshit as far as I’m concerned. Do we really need to be obsessed with vin plate position and the right number plate holder? 5 pints of landlords says no.
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Post by: Trigger on March 01, 2023, 01:36:01 PM
The next project is home, but will just be stored away till the 550 is finished. It came from a great guy called Collin who I have advised to join up on here as he has to give up bikes and has A LOT
of SOHC stuff to get rid off. Including some complete bikes plus loads of hard to get stuff. (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Lucky you looked at the email i sent you ;)
Post by: gary123 on March 01, 2023, 05:21:04 PM
The next project is home, but will just be stored away till the 550 is finished. It came from a great guy called Collin who I have advised to join up on here as he has to give up bikes and has A LOT
of SOHC stuff to get rid off. Including some complete bikes plus loads of hard to get stuff. (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
Lucky you looked at the email i sent you ;)
Yes I think it was lucky, the wife not so much ;D But thanks.
Post by: gary123 on March 09, 2023, 09:05:57 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 09, 2023, 09:08:08 PM
First of all apologies to Julie for stealing her picture, but can you tell me where this goes. I know its to do with the coils but cant remember what it does and the parts diagram doesn't (Attachment Link) help much.It slides over the seam at the front of the coils where the coils bolt to the frame Gary.
Post by: Oddjob on March 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Post by: Sesman on March 10, 2023, 08:28:27 AM
Post by: gary123 on March 10, 2023, 09:39:47 AM
Post by: gary123 on March 10, 2023, 09:41:33 AM
Can I enquire as to whether that part specific to the 500 models only as my 77 550 F2 doesn’t have one. Unless it’s a parts manual oversight/error and I can’t remember removing one.
Its a 550f1 Im working on now. The 500 I did earlier did not have one.
Post by: Sesman on March 10, 2023, 09:50:47 AM
Must be a weight saving measure😀😁
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 10, 2023, 10:23:01 AM
Post by: Sesman on March 10, 2023, 10:32:10 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 10, 2023, 10:39:41 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 10:43:24 AM
So what does it do then?
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Post by: Sesman on March 10, 2023, 10:46:16 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 10, 2023, 10:49:31 AM
Post by: Sesman on March 10, 2023, 10:54:01 AM
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 10, 2023, 11:32:30 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 10, 2023, 12:34:07 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 12:40:10 PM
I have no idea. Definitely not a requirement for our high performance F2 variants……Super Sports…..😁
Deffer's ;D
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 12:40:36 PM
I think it's got something to do with increasing the surface area of one of the earthing points.
AAAaaahhh!
Post by: Sesman on March 10, 2023, 01:13:41 PM
In the 500 K1 parts book its item 19 described as - Protector ignition coil wire.
Yes, same description for the F1 item 17.
Post by: andy120t on March 10, 2023, 01:15:10 PM
Post by: gary123 on March 10, 2023, 01:23:21 PM
Post by: gary123 on March 10, 2023, 01:27:40 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 01:31:20 PM
Might be the switch but check those bits first is where I'd start.
Post by: gary123 on March 10, 2023, 01:35:22 PM
Check yer earths Gary..........all nice and clean and together as should be? You'll know this but they'll flash like crazy if there's a bulb/connection incomplete somewhere, are they all working? How bad is the flasher unit, is it in reasonable nick?
Might be the switch but check those bits first is where I'd start.
Flasher looks and sounds good, Im off to recheck earths, switch should be good every thing worked when I bought it. Could it be DS indicators?
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
The fact that youre getting flashing idiot lights, I would think, smells of an earth issue, bit like the old fiesta's and peugeot's that when the connectors on the boot lid got dirty it would make all sorts flasj on the tail gate flash when you put the indicators on at the back. Plus its the easiest cash free diagnosis which is always the forst point of call for me.
Cillet Bang (however you spell it) kitchen cleaner is ace for cleaning the bullet connectors if they're grubby, bob a bit in a jar and warm slightly and use that, they come up like new. (that's not my idea, one of Julie's I think) works a treat. As does wire wool obvs ;D ;)
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 10, 2023, 01:57:20 PM
On my 400 I fitted earth wires to all four indicators to ensure a good earth all round.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 01:59:46 PM
Post by: Oddjob on March 10, 2023, 03:14:07 PM
Can I enquire as to whether that part specific to the 500 models only as my 77 550 F2 doesn’t have one. Unless it’s a parts manual oversight/error and I can’t remember removing one.
The parts book doesn't show it but why it doesn't have it is beyond me, both bikes are to all intents and purposes identical in the need for one. Can't hurt to fit one I suppose.
Post by: gary123 on March 10, 2023, 03:15:07 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 10, 2023, 03:17:24 PM
Skills mate
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Post by: gary123 on March 27, 2023, 05:44:52 PM
Can it be disabled or by bypassed ?
Post by: Sesman on March 27, 2023, 06:11:07 PM
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Post by: Sesman on March 27, 2023, 06:14:32 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 27, 2023, 06:28:41 PM
Mine was missing.
.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300184704803
Post by: Sesman on March 27, 2023, 06:35:52 PM
Post by: gary123 on March 27, 2023, 08:33:39 PM
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Post by: Oddjob on March 27, 2023, 10:44:37 PM
Post by: gary123 on March 28, 2023, 04:45:11 PM
Post by: Oddjob on March 28, 2023, 04:48:40 PM
Post by: gary123 on March 28, 2023, 05:37:46 PM
On the 550 it's the upper rear hanger bolt. The 10mm one.
OK, Thats about the only one it can be, but it just dont look right. It puts the switch at an angle, or seems to. Ill fit it, maybe just the way Im holding it.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 28, 2023, 05:49:05 PM
The spring sits at at a weird angle too doesnt it?
If so, thats right bud ;) :D
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 28, 2023, 10:27:58 PM
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Post by: gary123 on March 29, 2023, 09:54:53 AM
And "un honda like" is exactly what I thought.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on March 29, 2023, 10:00:56 AM
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 29, 2023, 10:28:53 AM
As I mentioned before, not great from the ‘big Wing’ but as long as my OCDometer doesn’t look, I can handle it being like that
At least the bugger works now, mine was stuck solid when I got the bike. (Term ‘bike’ used in the broadest possibly way, should read, ‘boat anchor’)
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Post by: gary123 on March 29, 2023, 04:56:14 PM
If it bothered you a couple of plastic wedge washers might make it look neater?
No, it don't bother me. I just thought I was doing it wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 29, 2023, 05:11:47 PM
Post by: gary123 on March 31, 2023, 12:00:07 PM
Just another thousand issues to sort, you know the drill.
Post by: Laverdaroo on March 31, 2023, 06:28:32 PM
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Post by: gary123 on April 07, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
Corse the budget is under strain so Im going with a used motad instead of new delkevic to save some cash.
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Post by: gary123 on April 13, 2023, 09:51:24 PM
Im stugling with uploading photos, so if any wants to see where Im at, its here.
Chain on tomorrow and tootle up and down the drive.
Still away to go but getting there.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 14, 2023, 09:47:53 AM
Post by: gary123 on April 14, 2023, 10:11:48 AM
Post by: gary123 on April 14, 2023, 10:20:07 AM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 14, 2023, 10:23:13 AM
Post by: Johnny4428 on April 14, 2023, 11:47:25 AM
Post by: gary123 on April 14, 2023, 03:28:12 PM
Maybe, shit, this is harder than building the bike.
Post by: Johnny4428 on April 14, 2023, 03:33:08 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 14, 2023, 03:56:04 PM
Looks a very tidy 550.
Post by: Oddjob on April 14, 2023, 06:31:20 PM
Post by: gary123 on April 15, 2023, 10:13:18 AM
The seat currently fitted is an after market one with plastic base, no idea what its off.
Im still thinking about how much more I want to spend on it before committing to respray, seat rail etc.
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 15, 2023, 10:48:28 AM
Post by: Oddjob on April 15, 2023, 04:27:01 PM
The points cover should also have raised countersunk 6 x 32 chrome headed JIS screws fitted not normal JIS screws, the dish will start to distort after a while if left as it is, not a huge problem but one that I thought I might as well point out.
Try these. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255404602515?hash=item3b774cf493:g:pGMAAOSwEOtiGKo9&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABAIJS%2BI7Txlmrlfaot5fPKLDaKDPT8Ne3zL1nhp5nwW4rxf42YATctLyzoFSkbp%2FHVJ8Wt%2FHBWwS0qAtAISpE2whIUzfY8SdSlTLMGdqq0mbauglJxrYWCmVIXJxXImzpSssHfPe07MGGpWUD%2Bbk2nmT54wAm79LnIz8lPDg4wqyFYtrYoOL8EOP9oWMolg6Eb9Y4OJh4aFKkBJtTziYW493obqrRRQyr0Zw%2F9p83Muax4skO8OoRAxvNOIPCRRUFQpTLi4br8DjYrNt02QkJtnLetpyU3TKOVnQG932khWe7vCkqyPRg51hI8hJFJTMCIhMClMEoHvR7m2F8Pdjywvk%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-yZ8tfwYQ
Looks like the rear brake lever has some damage, I have one NOS one left if your interested.
I have a spare 20mm polished stainless steel bolt and flat washer if you need one, no charge. It's what I fit to mine, looks original and stays that way, unlike the original bolt.
No starter cover yet?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 15, 2023, 05:10:25 PM
Post by: gary123 on April 15, 2023, 05:57:12 PM
I can spot a couple of things that are not correct Gary and normally I'd just say nothing as it can sound like I'm criticising but one may mean trouble in the future so I thought it best to say something. The bolt holding the gearchange lever on is a 20mm chrome headed bolt with flat washer fitted, you've got a JIS screw in there, you can't really get enough clamping power with a screw like that and if it's not tight there is a strong possibility of the splines rounding off in the future, this can either mean a new gearchange lever or a new gearchange rod, lever not a huge problem, rod means all the clutch housing off.
The points cover should also have raised countersunk 6 x 32 chrome headed JIS screws fitted not normal JIS screws, the dish will start to distort after a while if left as it is, not a huge problem but one that I thought I might as well point out.
Try these. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255404602515?hash=item3b774cf493:g:pGMAAOSwEOtiGKo9&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAABAIJS%2BI7Txlmrlfaot5fPKLDaKDPT8Ne3zL1nhp5nwW4rxf42YATctLyzoFSkbp%2FHVJ8Wt%2FHBWwS0qAtAISpE2whIUzfY8SdSlTLMGdqq0mbauglJxrYWCmVIXJxXImzpSssHfPe07MGGpWUD%2Bbk2nmT54wAm79LnIz8lPDg4wqyFYtrYoOL8EOP9oWMolg6Eb9Y4OJh4aFKkBJtTziYW493obqrRRQyr0Zw%2F9p83Muax4skO8OoRAxvNOIPCRRUFQpTLi4br8DjYrNt02QkJtnLetpyU3TKOVnQG932khWe7vCkqyPRg51hI8hJFJTMCIhMClMEoHvR7m2F8Pdjywvk%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-yZ8tfwYQ
Looks like the rear brake lever has some damage, I have one NOS one left if your interested.
I have a spare 20mm polished stainless steel bolt and flat washer if you need one, no charge. It's what I fit to mine, looks original and stays that way, unlike the original bolt.
No starter cover yet?
Hi OJ, all fair comments. I have bolt for gear change lever, so Ill sort that.
Points cover screws are in the garage, somewhere.
Would you pm me a price for the brake lever please.
Did a bit of work on her today, balanced carbs, cam chain tension had "settled" a bit, tweaked pilot screws and found ignition on 2/3 a knats off. that tiny nudge on the timing made a huge difference. Seems to be running nicely now.
Ive put more pics on flikr and realised the points cover is upside-down.
What do you think of the rear mudguard. (or do we say fender now)
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on April 15, 2023, 06:01:16 PM
Post by: Oddjob on April 15, 2023, 08:13:16 PM
Rear mudguard looks fine, the left side of the bike actually looks better than the right, the chain guard has chromed well.
Pedal is £80 plus £5 P&P, if you want it Gary. CMS want around £140 for the same thing.
Post by: gary123 on April 15, 2023, 09:11:53 PM
Fender is American so no we don't say that, we have far too many of their terms creeping into what is OUR language, I don't want to encourage anymore. Before long we'll be ok spelling colour as color.
Rear mudguard looks fine, the left side of the bike actually looks better than the right, the chain guard has chromed well.
Pedal is £80 plus £5 P&P, if you want it Gary. CMS want around £140 for the same thing.
The rear mudguard is black grp so I expected some comments on that, but maybe it not clear enough in the pic.
Re the pedal, I was thinking of getting it for my next project, but have since realised it wont go on a 500. That is a true bargain though, thanks for the offer.