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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: December 02, 2023, 07:35:50 AM »
I would temporarily go back to points anyway. That way you can prove the bike's systems are correct thus possibly proving the EI is faulty. Bit of a pain with yours as they had you cut off some connectors. Why they can't provide cables already fitted with the correct connectors is beyond me. Pretty poor really, making you basically butcher the harness. If you then should find a fault on the bike you can rectify that then refit the EI later on, this time using the correct connectors instead of those horrible screw up things

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SOHC Singles & Twins / Re: CB360 Swing Arm Collar Problem
« on: December 01, 2023, 06:39:51 PM »
450 bolt will not work before you try to find one, I’ll explain better when I’m back in the uk on Sunday

Thanks Ken.  On hold 'till you get back.

Thinking about it....I was wondering whether fitting a grease nipple is likely to be needed as my bikes don't go out in the rain unless I get caught out, so I don't expect to be putting those bearings under any threat.  When the salt goes down, the bikes go to bed until the spring.... I'm a bit of wimp !!.  I did all my crap weather riding back in the '70s

Cheers,

Jerry
Don't think there's too many on here that would disagree with the salt out bikes in sentiment.

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SOHC Singles & Twins / Re: CB360 Swing Arm Collar Problem
« on: December 01, 2023, 05:19:46 PM »
Fit a grease nipple like on the 400 OR modify a 500 through bolt to fit that has grease nipples on the end, dont think much would need to be done.
No the end bearings are not waterproof which is why you need to regrease regularly.
Q does the 450 twin have grease nipples on the bolt?
Yes the 450 has a grease nipple on the end of the bolt.


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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 29, 2023, 09:44:51 PM »
I'm almost sure that the Boyer 350 system doesn't fit the 450. I did look into that when I did mine. There's talk on some forums of adapting a Bonneville Boyer to fit. Don't know what's involved with that but I don't think it was straight forward.

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CB750 / Re: Tippetts 750/4
« on: November 29, 2023, 09:30:20 AM »
Is that 161k all in or do we still need to add 15% commission and then Vat on the whole lot. That would bring it to 222k.

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CB750 / Re: Tippetts 750/4
« on: November 28, 2023, 06:44:41 PM »
Fantastic photo. Compared with the other bikes in the background it must have seemed like a spaceship.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 28, 2023, 11:23:53 AM »
If it was mine I would take the system off and refit the points to prove the systems are good before going any further. That's what I did with mine to prove it was the Pamco and not the bike.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 28, 2023, 09:39:12 AM »
Starting to point to a faulty system if everything is already checking out.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 28, 2023, 08:26:33 AM »
I would say there's a reason beyond salesmanship why they insist you fit a new rec/reg or you don't get a warranty. Maybe there's enough voltage from the old bike system to light the led's but not enough to operate the system. It looks correctly fitted but it still ain't working. We don't know anything about the state of the bikes battery or system.

Mo. Any chance of a couple of photos under the seat.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 28, 2023, 07:28:43 AM »
Guessing at "Hall effect" from proximity of ferrous presence of cam peak.

Interestingly they can only be fitted in one direction (there's an arrow on the face, facing the cam lobe) and he says they won't work backwards.
Hall effect isn't going to work that well without magnets fitted surely. Just triggering off the proximity of the cam lobe is a bit hit and miss isn't it.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 28, 2023, 06:43:34 AM »
The one I fitted was my second system. The first was a Pamco unit that I spent an entire day fitting including making a special wire sub harness for. That sod didn't work at all so I understand how your feeling. To add to the pain the company ceased trading at the same time so no help or refund. That went in the bin and I bit the bullet and bought the Charlie's Place system.

Are you sure your electrical system on the bike is up to scratch as these systems are really sensitive to fluctuations in voltage. The standard bomber doesn't even have a regulator fitted and a 55 year old selenium rectifier and single phase alternator. This is why Common Motors insist that you fit their combined reg/rec. Sorry to say but this is beginning to look like another faulty electrical system, and not the ignition unit. Probably best contacting the supplier again for advice. I fitted a regulator from a later model and a modern solid state rectifier, along with a new Motobatt AGM battery, and a new wiring harness. I also have a NOS alternator rotor fitted as old ones can loose magnetism and directly affect charging. In other words I went through the entire system to get things to work correctly.

When your trying for a spark are you using the electric starter or the kickstart. The reason I asked about the battery being fully charged is that the system won't work correctly if the voltage drops. Using the electric starter will possibly drop the charge too low for the system to fire the coils?

I think we're all scrambling for ideas as trouble shooting electrical problems from afar is difficult.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 27, 2023, 10:24:21 PM »
What triggers the sensor's?

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 27, 2023, 08:51:28 PM »
Just wondering what triggers the sensor's. It looks like the standard points cam is left on. Is that correct. Every EI that I have ever dealt with, the centre cam on the advancer is changed for a magnetic trigger supplied with the kit. Don't understand that at all. Maybe why you have no spark as there's nothing to trigger the sensors. But then, maybe it's designed that way, and only Common Motors can answer that one. But I guess it's lighting the led's so it must be triggering but heaven only knows how.

Looks from their website that no rotor is supplied in the kit. Another thought, is the battery fully charged and the rectifier working okay. They have those horrible selenium rectifiers that tend to fail.
Also, according to the website you have no warranty unless you fit their regulator/rectifier.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 27, 2023, 06:34:02 PM »
Is there no spark to either side? Is there power to the coils when ignition is on? This is very strange as the way it's built it''s like having two separate systems. For them both to fail, what's the odds. What's the common denominator here, what do both sides share. Silly question but you have removed the condensers haven't you.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: Timing problems on the 450 Bomber
« on: November 27, 2023, 03:13:28 PM »
My starting point would be the black earth cables on the mounting bracket. The one in the video has little chance of earthing as the frames paint is still on. Make up another wire from the same bolt and take it to the earth either on the loom or a good reliable earth on the frame somewhere. Suspect those dodgy red cable connectors as well.

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