Honda-SOHC
Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: bobv7 on November 11, 2020, 03:08:34 PM
-
First off an apology to anyone who feels targeted by this; honestly not intended!
Having read some of the questions being posted on this forum, have we got to the stage where we overthink just about everything? I read most topics out of interest and occasionally to see if I can offer an opinion or suggestion, but some are so basic and simple that I just think WHAT!!!!!. Are you really asking that! Most of the bikes owned here are so basic and simple to work on that back in the day a spanner in one hand and a Haynes manual in the other would have sorted nearly all problems. I know that sometimes this could end in the most horrendous insults to Japan's finest and a lot of non standard remedies resulted, but unless you had a mate handy with the tools you were on your own. Perhaps it's down to the arrogance of youth that all things were doable with a screwdriver and hammer but come on, age and experience should at least have some influence at this time of life?
Just get stuck in! End of rant.:D
-
I would venture that back then most of us didn’t know any better.
I certainly didn’t know, for just one example, how critical the run out is on the auto-advance unit when it comes to setting timing.
As is often said, there are no stupid questions; you can opt to remain ignorant, or you can ask!
-
I would venture that back then most of us didn’t know any better.
I certainly didn’t know, for just one example, how critical the run out is on the auto-advance unit when it comes to setting timing.
As is often said, there are no stupid questions; you can opt to remain ignorant, or you can ask!
Yes, there are no stupid questions, just posts that can intimidate the less technically knowledgeable or capable members from asking questions for fear of ridicule – I’m afraid the above post is a prime example and the sort I never thought I'd see on this forum. :-\
-
Because people can simply do things wrong, if in doubt ask here, expertise and previous experience abounds. Again, the only daft question is the one that never got asked.
-
It's very straight forward , if you don't know, you just don't know. This forum is one of the best in the UK for members giving answers and sharing their knowledge with less experienced or knowledgeable owners asking seemingly simple questions. Asking questions is how we learn, it's better to ask than cock something up through inexperience or lack of knowledge or even lack in one's own confidence and abilities.
-
You might think that some of the posts are a bit basic but if you want real stupid, then go on the Classic Mini forum. There was a half wit on there who had sheared a wheel stud on his apparently self modified Mini but noticed that his mate's Citroen Saxo only had 3 wheel nuts, so was asking if it was OK to use the Mini!
I'm 71 and still find many very useful replies on here - every day's a skool day!!
Ian
-
As Julie says if you don't know you don't know. Ask. Whoever is asking the basic of questions may well be a leader in their own field and often shake their head in despair at some of the questions asked of them. Fortunately usually someone comes along with the right answers. Without taking the piss or mocking. ;)
-
I did apologise right at the start if anyone took this personally and there's absolutely nothing wrong with asking for advice. We all have to at some time. But that advice is only valuable if you ask the right questions and if you know how to apply the answers. These bikes are pretty basic to work on and get into a reasonable working condition, maybe not concours but rideable if that's what you want. I fully expected the cries of righteous outrage and disapproval at my suggestion, but I recognised at an early age I would never be a carpenter when the woodwork teacher told me that trees took too long to grow. I took the hint and stepped away from the tools. I did know someone who was shown many times how to set the timing on his bike but in the end it just wouldn't sink in. He wasn't thick, just didn't have the aptitude and was happier letting someone else do it. Sometimes we all have to that admit it would be a better job if someone else did it?
As I said at the start, there seems to be a growing tendency to overthink problems because the actual answer appears to be too obvious. We look for a technological solution when a nail would be the answer. It only gets worse when trying to include 2020 technology into a 1960's design; but that's only my personal opinion. Sorry if you don't like it.
-
I must admit that I am starting to ask questions that I wouldn't have asked pre me joining the forum - I just got on with it! But if I maybe had a knowlegable friend to bounce off pre forum, I maybe would have done exactly what I do when I ask questions on this knowlegable forum - effectively seek assurance
-
Back in the day, when factory workshop manuals were guarded by dealer networks like state secrets, we did the best we could to keep bikes on the road using mainly guesswork and heresay. If you think we're bad, look at some of the questions and answers in old copies of Motorcycle Mechanics.
I would much rather ask first than do a job twice, people do enjoy helping others out if they know how. That said I used to know a lad who thought he could keep a BSA 250 on the road with a little knowledge and a metric toolkit, some people really should just step away from the motorcycle and find someone who knows what they are doing.
-
I intended to save that for the fun corner, but....
[attachimg=1]
-
I've posted on computer forums and 50% of the time I never understand the answers. Knowledge base has changed in 50 years.
-
It all boils down to each to their own, there will always be those who will need a plumber for a water leak, or an electrician for a blown fuse, and to many others, having a set of tools does not necessarily mean they know how to use them, advice, however asked for or given is always welcome, helps to keep our dreams alive, and no matter how simple, keeps our bikes on the road.
-
I spent my life working in oil refineries where doing the wrong thing could be fatal, so the rule was to always ask if you did not know and no questions were stupid which is something that is now deeply ingrained in me.
I must admit though these days, I do check and re check things all the time whereas in the olden days I just dived in and got it done, I don't think that I have got wiser with age just more cautious.
Cheers
Dennis
-
hang on.....I'm NOT supposed to drink the battery?
OK...so I can stop trying to get those gel-cells to go up the straw then
-
First off an apology to anyone who feels targeted by this; honestly not intended!
Having read some of the questions being posted on this forum, have we got to the stage where we overthink just about everything? I read most topics out of interest and occasionally to see if I can offer an opinion or suggestion, but some are so basic and simple that I just think WHAT!!!!!. Are you really asking that! Most of the bikes owned here are so basic and simple to work on that back in the day a spanner in one hand and a Haynes manual in the other would have sorted nearly all problems. I know that sometimes this could end in the most horrendous insults to Japan's finest and a lot of non standard remedies resulted, but unless you had a mate handy with the tools you were on your own. Perhaps it's down to the arrogance of youth that all things were doable with a screwdriver and hammer but come on, age and experience should at least have some influence at this time of life?
Just get stuck in! End of rant.:D
These bike maybe simple to some people but, not to others :o I get called out to Honda dealerships were i am met by a 22 to 31 year old Honda trained technician standing with a laptop in hand and they can't find were to plug a 400 four in to the computer. I found this amazing that they have not been trained on carbs and points or they don't even understand a floating caliper :o But, as one of these young guys asked, do you know how to remap or code chase a new fireblade. Most of the language they were talking, i did not understand and they had not got a clue what i was talking about until i explained in detail.
As for manuals, forget it. Too much incorrect info, even in a Honda manual, never mind a haynes one ;)
-
Absolutely nothing wrong in asking questions, and this forum is up there with the best in providing helpful and knowledgeable answers. But, I do wonder how I used to manage before the internet. These days, I seem to spend a lot of my time checking and rechecking how to do things I used to do without thinking when I was younger. So, I think, for me the answer to the question "How did stuff get so difficult?" is, I just got older.
-
I rode mostly in the 80s, I didn't have the self confidence, nor was I encouraged to learn anything mechanical. I took everything to a workshop. Here I am aged 55, doing my first build learning as I go. Full of stupid questions, reading and learning much from this forum and loving it. I have learned more about motorcycle workings this last 3 months than the whole of my previous riding life.
-
There's that saying "someone who doesn't know what they don't know is far more dangerous than someone that recognizes their limitations and seeks advice" seems very true.
There's just so much to find out about in any topic we care to think of, with most things fascinating when looking further in depth.
-
I have mentioned before, photography and classic cameras are my thing. Very few people fix the things I use so I had to learn, I think nothing of stripping a 1920/30s graflex and rebuilding now. I earn half my income from it. I clearly had the ability when I was 20, just never believed I did. Still, the bike is giving me something new to do with enthusiasm.
-
There was a saying going round when i was a college technician.
Those that can, do
Those that can't teach
And those that can't teach, teach teachers!!!!!!
-
I get where you’re coming from Bob, but at 60+ have learned what’s obvious to me ain’t so to others. And having been involved in instruction / examining much of my working life (er, thanks Bryan!) the best way to ensure a worst outcome is ridicule / belittlement etc.
This year I joined a Moto Guzzi forum as it’s all ECUs, mapping and crap that I’m totally at odds with. I managed to cope / maintain dignity (just!) - but by god is that forum different to this. I rarely look at it or post now; it is generally good, but alas prone to too much testosterone & outbursts such as, “You fucking muppet, I told you 3 posts ago it was the xxx switch”.
I can really do without fellows’ being bullied; that is what is so good about this forum of Steve’s and ‘us lot’.
-
I was lucky when I got into bikes at 17. My dad was an experienced engineer and showed me the proper way to build engines and repair things. I started out on British singles and twins, which were quite simple so a good place to learn.
Even after years and years of experience fitting parts and rebuilding engines I was a bit reluctant to do a complete rebuild on a 400f. Once you get into it it's not that bad, I don't know why I was holding back.
Some people don't have the good fortune of a mentor readily at hand to show them the ropes. They are not going to know how to use a torque wrench or a micrometer, the right way to use feeler gauges, or which parts to lubricate on assembly.
It's risky relying on YouTube videos to teach yourself because there's an awful lot of crap ones out there. Someone learning won't know which ones are right and which ones are wrong.
Some questions may be basic, but we all have to start somewhere, so ask away.
-
First off an apology to anyone who feels targeted by this; honestly not intended!
Having read some of the questions being posted on this forum, have we got to the stage where we overthink just about everything? I read most topics out of interest and occasionally to see if I can offer an opinion or suggestion, but some are so basic and simple that I just think WHAT!!!!!. Are you really asking that! Most of the bikes owned here are so basic and simple to work on that back in the day a spanner in one hand and a Haynes manual in the other would have sorted nearly all problems. I know that sometimes this could end in the most horrendous insults to Japan's finest and a lot of non standard remedies resulted, but unless you had a mate handy with the tools you were on your own. Perhaps it's down to the arrogance of youth that all things were doable with a screwdriver and hammer but come on, age and experience should at least have some influence at this time of life?
Just get stuck in! End of rant.:D
So who or what is this self righteous post really aimed at that you seem to be suggesting that as you understand bikes so should everyone else as they are so simple to work on? The purpose of this whole site is it not is to share knowledge so that people can learn from the likes of probably yourself plus the many other really helpful folk here. The posts of project builds with superb photos of restorations is truly inspiring.
Speaking for myself as a youngster of 72 years who has a background of working on motor cycles up until I was about 21 yrs then moving onto cars until around 5 years ago when poor health prevented me from maintaining not just my vehicles but that of my family and friends I consider myself pretty skilled as a mechanic.
What I have noticed is that publications such as Haynes Workshop Manuals have over the years become wanting in the actual detail of how parts are fitted. Photographs have fallen in quality with the text lacking basic information such as which way round a chamfered washer should be fitted on say a crankshaft. Added to that is the move for a manual covering multiple variants of a model so some photos are of no help whatsoever.
Speaking for myself when I was younger I suspect my short memory was good enough to not have a need to photograph items before I dismantled them being easily able to reassemble an item weeks later. Lastly there is another aspect for me especially now that I am working on motor cycles again - that is a loss in self confidence with age and unfamiliar territory as I feel my way around my project.
As a teenager I had my father who was a Rolls Royce & Bentley Cars trained mechanic to guide me. I know that as I have asked questions and been provided sometimes with different answers my cognitive skills have improved thanks completely to members here who have given me advice without being condescending or critical of my questions.
If you feel some questions here are too basic, simple or obvious perhaps you should look at yourself and ask yourself why you have that view rather than blame the questioner on the forum. Maybe you have just posted to provoke or after a bad day if that is the case fine but perhaps some thought on your part beforehand would have avoided my response. I am not being defensive or antagonistic but you need to be told that others are not as skilled or smart as you and seek answers here.
Perhaps I'm overthinking this - but I've had my rant now so all is well in the world of Honda sohc for me.
-
There was a saying going round when i was a college technician.
Those that can, do
Those that can't teach
And those that can't teach, teach teachers!!!!!!
You didn’t marry a teacher then Bryan?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Nope, a teachers daughter!!!!
-
I suppose this all arose from posts apparently confusing the vast difference between building a usable, road worthy machine and going for a full restoration. One requires a pragmatic and practical approach and the other vast amounts of cash, infinite patience and a black book full of specialist services. If the former then a decent set of tools, some mechanical knowledge and a steady supply of tea is usually good enough. If the latter, then a step by step learning process via advice from a website forum may not the best way to go.
When I got my bike the bulb holders for the warning lights were rotten so I bought a bunch off eBay. Snip and solder and now they work. End of story. Are they a match for the originals? No, but they do the same job. Same with the busted fuse holder which now takes a better protected blade fuse, and the handlebars, indicators and the front brake line. Perhaps that would have the purists frantically rummaging though my rubbish bin, but that’s their problem. Do vintage vehicle owners insist they only use the manufacturers recommended brand of calcium carbide in their lamps?
I’m not and never have been a rivet counter but I did want a new toy to fix up and to occasionally ride. If I’d wanted something shiny to put in the living room it would not have been a motorcycle. My point is that before you start a project you need to have a clear idea of where you’re going and the available resources in place to get there.;)
-
To me the electrics on 70's Honda 4's are very basic and dead simple to understand but many people see electrics as a black art. But there again I am an electronics engineer, so it should be simple to me.
I could just think .. what ..he (she) doesn't even know Ohms Law !! .. Ye Gods what kind of school did they go to? ;D
Newbies, everyone, keep asking simple or even dumb questions. Probably worth using the excellent search facility on here first though as it has possibly been covered several times already.
This forum is a breath of fresh air compared with others. The prize one has to be the UK Vintage Radio Forum. It's an absolutely stunning source of info but run on slightly Draconian guidelines.. for example offering something for sale or free is a nightmare .. '1st dibs' like on here seems to be frowned upon and it all gets very complicated and heated on there with 'hats' etc.
-
Electrics are easy, you just have to be careful not to let the smoke escape.
-
I get to play with electrics / electronics every day.
I have a lovely job tomorrow, I have to re-establish the magnetic field in an MRI scanner which involves slowly taking the electromagnet inside up to just over 500 Amps. The windings have to be cooled constantly with liquid Helium at -269 Degrees.
What could possibly go wrong. ;D
-
I get to play with electrics / electronics every day.
I have a lovely job tomorrow, I have to re-establish the magnetic field in an MRI scanner which involves slowly taking the electromagnet inside up to just over 500 Amps. The windings have to be cooled constantly with liquid Helium at -269 Degrees.
What could possibly go wrong. ;D
I used to spend a lot of time in mobile MRI and CT Scanners looking after unconscious patients, the only piece of electronic equipment I could understand was the clock that told the time 😳😳😳
-
I get where you’re coming from Bob, but at 60+ have learned what’s obvious to me ain’t so to others. And having been involved in instruction / examining much of my working life (er, thanks Bryan!) the best way to ensure a worst outcome is ridicule / belittlement etc.
This year I joined a Moto Guzzi forum as it’s all ECUs, mapping and crap that I’m totally at odds with. I managed to cope / maintain dignity (just!) - but by god is that forum different to this. I rarely look at it or post now; it is generally good, but alas prone to too much testosterone & outbursts such as, “You fucking muppet, I told you 3 posts ago it was the xxx switch”.
I can really do without fellows’ being bullied; that is what is so good about this forum of Steve’s and ‘us lot’.
You should give www.guzziriders.org a try. Good bunch and no bullshit.
-
I get to play with electrics / electronics every day.
I have a lovely job tomorrow, I have to re-establish the magnetic field in an MRI scanner which involves slowly taking the electromagnet inside up to just over 500 Amps. The windings have to be cooled constantly with liquid Helium at -269 Degrees.
What could possibly go wrong. ;D
Nice, reminds me of when I worked at Associated Octel at Ellesmere Port - the Hall of Castner-Solvay cells ran at 25,000 amps D.C. at around 3 volts the buzz bars would pull your feet towards them if you were daft enough to wear steel capped boots. It was great for magnetising your socket sets - it was pulling them off that was difficult.lol
-
I get to play with electrics / electronics every day.
I have a lovely job tomorrow, I have to re-establish the magnetic field in an MRI scanner which involves slowly taking the electromagnet inside up to just over 500 Amps. The windings have to be cooled constantly with liquid Helium at -269 Degrees.
What could possibly go wrong. ;D
Nice, reminds me of when I worked at Associated Octel at Ellesmere Port - the Hall of Castner-Solvay cells ran at 25,000 amps D.C. at around 3 volts the buzz bars would pull your feet towards them if you were daft enough to wear steel capped boots. It was great for magnetising your socket sets - it was pulling them off that was difficult.lol
45 years ago I worked in a telephone exchange and a fitter was joining the old buz bars to the new ones (they where only 50v I was told but huge amperage) and he dropped his spanner across the + & - and it fell to the floor in TWO pieces!
-
I have lost count of the times I have gone to hospitals to remove things stuck to the front of the scanners.
Chairs, trolleys, bins, floor polishers. Despite the signs on the door saying no metal.
It’s not an easy task removing them, takes around a day.
My colleague has even had to go abroad to remove a gun :o
-
I saw a thing on Autumnwatch last week about how birds and fish use the earths magnetic field for their built in satnav, I can imagine the roof at Macabethiele's place of work being covered in lost pigeons!
-
Nice, reminds me of when I worked at Associated Octel at Ellesmere Port - the Hall of Castner-Solvay cells ran at 25,000 amps D.C. at around 3 volts the buzz bars would pull your feet towards them if you were daft enough to wear steel capped boots. It was great for magnetising your socket sets - it was pulling them off that was difficult.lol
When I was a steward on the good ship Armadale in 79/80 me and the pantry boy used a hefty magnet left by an engineer to magnetise the officers cutlery, it was hilarious! ;D
-
Now this thread has unexpectedly drifted into magnetism, can I recommend a magnet on a telescopic stick as essential for everyone’s toolbox.
I’ve had one for years, and have used it for everything from fishing part of a ring compressor out of open crankcases, to finding hidden rot in cars I subsequently didn’t buy.
Many of my tools are at least a bit magnetic, I’m not always sure how or why, but it can come in handy with tiny screws etc.
-
I saw a thing on Autumnwatch last week about how birds and fish use the earths magnetic field for their built in satnav, I can imagine the roof at Macabethiele's place of work being covered in lost pigeons!
Pigeons never stood a chance the Chlorine gas would get them first not to mention when the Autoclave safety diaphragm (think giant core plug) would occasionally burst (4/5 monthly) in a ball of flame. The farmer had to destroy all the cattle in distant fields and the firm paid out compensation for the loss of cattle, milk production and crops.
-
Electrics are easy, you just have to be careful not to let the smoke escape.
Ha, that made me laugh Jonny... you don’t work for Boeing do ya? The B787 had early battery issues, with the potential of fire in flight. Part of the fix was an enclosed & sealed stainless / titanium box that vented all smoke / fumes overboard. Amazingly no diversion is required if any kind of (singular) battery issue comes up.
Bob - thanks for the Guzzi forum, will use it. Better understand the v7 bit...
-
Big vote for an extendable magnetic probe, unless it’s a stainless steel washer that has gone into a black hole!
-
Well Macabethiel's recent post prompted me to Google 'Associated Octel at Ellesmere Port & 'Castner-Solvay cells' .... fascinating stuff .. a nice break from polishing 20 alloy wheel hubs & brake plates ;D
-
I get called out to Honda dealerships were i am met by a 22 to 31 year old Honda trained technician standing with a laptop in hand and they can't find were to plug a 400 four in to the computer. I found this amazing that they have not been trained on carbs and points or they don't even understand a floating caliper :o
Incidentally we have a thread on another forum about the demise in proper service these days... it has gotten really hard to find a shop with a decent, skilled and motivated bike mechanic, blessed with some common sense and not actually wrecking parts/assemblies on your motorcycle...
One of the core reasons and friend and I rented a "shed" (actually a big garage space), got tools, workshop manuals, proper bike lift, etc... I even just bought a tire mounting machine to get out the logistics-hustle and risks that they (again) damage something at a shop (scratched rims, dry wheel bearing seals, no Moly grease on drive splines, stripped threads, etc...) leading to expensive aftermath...
This January I'd bought a '07 NT700VA for my girlfriend/partner, brought it into our "burrow" to do the 36T-km/22Kmile service on it, and was shocked about the "forensic evidence" found while taking things apart for inspection & service... ???
-
Well Macabethiel's recent post prompted me to Google 'Associated Octel at Ellesmere Port & 'Castner-Solvay cells' .... fascinating stuff .. a nice break from polishing 20 alloy wheel hubs & brake plates ;D
It was 1967/68 when I worked in the process laboratory at Octel - it was an industrial placement for my four year degree course in Chemical Engineering at Bradford Uni. I had a lovely girlfriend Moya who I met at a YWCA dance she worked in the typing pool for Shell - I fell in love with her Luton accent her Dad had moved to the new Vauxhall Plant from Luton. Sadly when I returned to Uni I could not afford the travel costs so that was the end of the relationship - I still have fond memories.
Octel manufactured Tetraethyl lead as added to petrol back in the day before unleaded fuels.
-
I am encouraged by these replies. The first 10 years of my working life was a Marine Engineer followed by 35 years in engineering management where nothing phased me, although I once explained to someone who suggested that I might be quite clever, that mechanical/electrical issues can usually be overcome as long as you know someone who can help. (Contractors etc.). The hardest part of the job was dealing with grown men who acted like children. Anyway, I digress. As I said nothing phased me and I was full of confidence in my abilities but having invested £6.5k (I don't know how you are fixed, but for me this is significant) of my pension into something that I have always wanted (750K7), asking a question that others may regard as basic gives reassurance. Anything is easy once you have done it. Love the forum by the way.
Paul
-
Sometimes people just make it difficult too.
Went to visit my sister, niece's boyfriend was there and extremely worried about his scooter. He'd bought a "performance" expansion chamber exhaust, delivered there to avoid his father's gaze. This just the beginning of his problems, how hard can it be to swap?
Anyway, taken out the big bolt support at end, exhaust system dropped and snapped off half the exhaust port flange of cast iron barrel. Undeterred (a week previously) and ridden it with the big bolt back in but very noisy, ordered a new barrel and piston kit. How hard can it be to swap it?
Taken top of motor apart, but with the new piston on the rod and hanging out of the crankcase, "somehow" spun the motor over and snapped off rear piston skirt, carried on like this and unsurprisingly it wouldn't run! How hard can it be?
Top off again, installed old piston in new barrel, started it and sounded funny, then stopped. Took top off again (which is when I'd arrived on scene. He'd fitted piston BACKWARDS , ring location pins had rattled up and down exhaust port, rings partly broken and ring lands mushed. How hard can it be?
Oh, and it had half a base gasket on it. The other half still on the old barrel. How hard can it be?
Soooooo, I got the piston lands back in shape by grinding a wood chisel on a bench grinder to "plane" the mushed material out of them ( BiL has bench grinder and chisels left in garage from previous owner, he doesn't know how to use them), fitted the new rings to the old piston, glued the base gasket back together in situ with what's left of an old gooey tube of blue Hylomar that seems to have been in my tool bag forever, anealed the copper head gasket with gas ring in kitchen, then reassembled.
And THEY, were surprised that it started and was going.
What really amuses me is that the lad was an apprentice...............domestic gas fitter :o how hard can it be?
-
.... "somehow" spun the motor over and snapped off rear piston skirt, carried on like this and unsurprisingly it wouldn't run! How hard can it be?
LOL! ;D
Brilliant! ;)
-
Nigel, thanks for sharing such a brilliant and funny story :).
I can remember being an engineering apprentice and every time I made a mistake no matter how minor the craftsman teaching me would shout 'And you are supposed to be our bloody future!' I learnt quickly to listen, learn and not to make too many mistakes!
-
Sometimes people just make it difficult too.
Went to visit my sister, niece's boyfriend was there and extremely worried about his scooter. He'd bought a "performance" expansion chamber exhaust, delivered there to avoid his father's gaze. This just the beginning of his problems, how hard can it be to swap?
Anyway, taken out the big bolt support at end, exhaust system dropped and snapped off half the exhaust port flange of cast iron barrel. Undeterred (a week previously) and ridden it with the big bolt back in but very noisy, ordered a new barrel and piston kit. How hard can it be to swap it?
Taken top of motor apart, but with the new piston on the rod and hanging out of the crankcase, "somehow" spun the motor over and snapped off rear piston skirt, carried on like this and unsurprisingly it wouldn't run! How hard can it be?
Top off again, installed old piston in new barrel, started it and sounded funny, then stopped. Took top off again (which is when I'd arrived on scene. He'd fitted piston BACKWARDS , ring location pins had rattled up and down exhaust port, rings partly broken and ring lands mushed. How hard can it be?
Oh, and it had half a base gasket on it. The other half still on the old barrel. How hard can it be?
Soooooo, I got the piston lands back in shape by grinding a wood chisel on a bench grinder to "plane" the mushed material out of them ( BiL has bench grinder and chisels left in garage from previous owner, he doesn't know how to use them), fitted the new rings to the old piston, glued the base gasket back together in situ with what's left of an old gooey tube of blue Hylomar that seems to have been in my tool bag forever, anealed the copper head gasket with gas ring in kitchen, then reassembled.
And THEY, were surprised that it started and was going.
What really amuses me is that the lad was an apprentice...............domestic gas fitter :o how hard can it be?
Cheered me up in my COVID isolation that did! You can't teach common sense - in a previous job, I was a careers adviser and the number of people I saw who had degrees but no common sense was amazing
-
[quote
Cheered me up in my COVID isolation that did! You can't teach common sense - in a previous job, I was a careers adviser and the number of people I saw who had degrees but no common sense was amazing
It's debatable if there is such a thing as common sense at least when I was in training its what we came to accept. We redefined it as a group identity by way of shared life experiences. Certainly it was my experience that graduates who had never worked until they left university were at a disadvantage in terms of real life experiences. Likewise when I was at Univetsity students who had come from Secondary Schools like myself were quite different from those from public schools who were relatively immature in terms of life experiences.
-
[quote
Cheered me up in my COVID isolation that did! You can't teach common sense - in a previous job, I was a careers adviser and the number of people I saw who had degrees but no common sense was amazing
It's debatable if there is such a thing as common sense at least when I was in training its what we came to accept. We redefined it as a group identity by way of shared life experiences. Certainly it was my experience that graduates who had never worked until they left university were at a disadvantage in terms of real life experiences. Likewise when I was a Univetsity students who had come from Secondary Schools like myself were quite different from those from public schools who were relatively immature in terms of life experiences.
It has been said, "God Has Got a Big Zoo"
-
First day at college doing my apprenticeship new teacher walks in.
‘Hello, I’m Mister Eatwell, I’ll just write that on the board for you’
He went to the board and wrote ‘BASTARD’
Turned out he was a really nice bloke.
-
First day at college doing my apprenticeship new teacher walks in.
‘Hello, I’m Mister Eatwell, I’ll just write that on the board for you’
He went to the board and wrote ‘BASTARD’
Turned out he was a really nice bloke.
Like his strategy! 👍👍