Honda-SOHC
Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: xriccix on May 17, 2017, 03:08:16 PM
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I was under the impression a bike had to be registered before Jan 1st 1977 to be able to use a silver and black numberplate, but I've seen bikes on here and other forums which are way younger than 1977 rocking one, are they just chancing it?
im asking due to the bike I just bought being registered in June 1977 and I really want one!!
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As far as I'm aware, the non reflective plate (black and silver) date rolls with the historic vehicle class - so your vehicle has to be 40 years old but it doesn't apply until April of that year. So your June reg bike won't legally qualify until April of 2018 - yes, the others are chancing it and changing plates for MOT.
Ian
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Presumed as much, thanks!
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Yes the historic vehicle class rolls on though the link shows an out of date doc., 1973 for non historic (bottom of page 10 and top of page 11)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/533255/inf104-vehicle-registration-numbers-and-number-plates.pdf
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Be careful how you interpret that document! Reading between the lines, 1973 IS the firm cut off point for black and silver/white number plates, vehicles registered as "Historic" tax class, may use the older style of plates (letter sizes/spacing) BUT NOT black and silver/white, that is strictly pre 1973. You can argue all you want about it with a determined copper, but ignorance is no defence in English law, you will then end up with £100 fine/ticket. Some M.O.T. testers will let it through, as many younger ones aren't aware of the law (same as those that pass bikes with pulsing rear brake pedals!)
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Your bike would probably never of had a black and silver plate...
Everyone wanted the new looking yellow plates so there bike looked new...a black and silver one would of aged a new looking honda straight out the box...
All my 70's hondas that have had there old original plates still intact have had yellow ones...especially if they are the original dealer plates
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thanks for the info boys!
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There has been an amendment this month and black and silver plates can be put on a bike if it is declared manufactured before 1st January 1977, it is now on a rolling forward scheme like road tax.
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There has been an amendment this month and black and silver plates can be put on a bike if it is declared manufactured before 1st January 1977, it is now on a rolling forward scheme like road tax.
Have you got a link to that amendment ? I can't seem to find it anywhere. I have quite a few bikes that it will be relevant to so it will be good to see. Not that I'm in to black / silver plates on the later bikes, I think they look really silly.
I think anything on an L reg and prior looks good black and white, M reg, debateable but N reg onwards just looks totally out of character with the age of bike.
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Here is the new information from dvsa, i have a 72 350 four and a 78 Zed thou both will keep their yellow plates.
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m1s06000301.htm
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I agree with Nursie about not looking right after L reg. I think it's because we're not used to seeing M reg and later with a black plate, although our perceptions may change as we see more of them. Who knows?
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Here is the new information from dvsa, i have a 72 350 four and a 78 Zed thou both will keep their yellow plates.
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m1s06000301.htm
Thanks for the link but where does it say its on a rolling date, or am I still missing it ?
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Bottom paragraph on the left, although it doesn't mention it's rolling. It wouldn't do; that date would change every year.
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Bottom paragraph on the left, although it doesn't mention it's rolling. It wouldn't do; that date would change every year.
OK. Note to self......check next May !!!
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Enquiries already made, jeez what am I a wet nurse or something. :o
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Yes the historic vehicle class rolls on though the link shows an out of date doc., 1973 for non historic (bottom of page 10 and top of page 11)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/533255/inf104-vehicle-registration-numbers-and-number-plates.pdf
It says about the rolling date for "Historic Vehicles" in the Government document I linked....
Since April 2016 vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1976 can display the older style plates. You must:
* have applied to DVLA, and
* be registered within the ‘historic vehicles’ tax class
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Thankyou Tomb. 🙂
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I concur about people wanting their shiny new vehicle not to look old fashioned. My Land Rover was first registered in 1969 and still has its original 'G' registration plate in yellow, white on the front.
My 1974 CB500 can now have a black plate but I can't be bothered and it looks wrong. My 1972 CB350 has a black plate which I made myself in the 80s - no longer legal. When it goes for the MOT in a few weeks I think I will go for black plate but then the whole bike is very ratty and looks much older than it is really.
If you want to be authentic in every detail, none of the bikes on this forum should have black plates and personally, whatever age a bike is, I would not have a front number plate.
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For authenticity look at your old pics.
My new SS125 Aug 70 J plate... Black and silver with blade type front.
My new T100C Triumph Aug 72 L plate...Yellow plate with front flat over the headlamp.
My new CB500 Aug 74 N plate...Yellow plate with blade type front.
Have a few other examples, but the fact is as soon as the yellow plates became legal dealers fitted them as standard and nearly everyone wanted them.
Not sure of the legal position on front plates, but I would never fit one for a road bike.
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My 1972 CB350 has a black plate which I made myself in the 80s - no longer legal.
I have bikes with white on black I made myself, why is this no longer legal?
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Nowadays you have to prove who you are and that you are the registered keeper to have a plate made:
https://www.gov.uk/displaying-number-plates/getting-number-plates-made-up
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Nowadays you have to prove who you are and that you are the registered keeper to have a plate made:
https://www.gov.uk/displaying-number-plates/getting-number-plates-made-up
In theory, yes you do but in practice that is not the case. We get all our plates from Jap Graphics and they never ask for any documentation. Most suppliers when ordering on line never ask for anything.
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It's only new plates that need ID etc, if its been on there for years (wink, wink) it does not need a suppliers ID etc
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Only pre 72 would not need plate makers mark, any black and silver after that would from a legal standpoint.
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Only pre 72 would not need plate makers mark, any black and silver after that would from a legal standpoint.
True, any black plates retro fitted as part of the post '72 rolling rule would have to comply to current rules regarding manufacturers identifications. So vehicles from '72 to '77 using black plates would have to have manufacturers identification as owners can't claim they were fitted originally.
What's to stop folk making their own plate and putting their post code on the bottom?