Post by: Craizeehair on August 04, 2023, 01:01:11 PM
Ideally I’m looking to get some feedback on what size I would need to have a bike lift, room for a small bench, tools etc. I would like enough room to walk around the lift and have enough access on all sides to work without struggling for space.
Any real life experience would be helpful. I’m pretty lucky as my wife has given the go ahead, I have the choice of down the bottom of the garden, which would require a new hard standing installing, or I can put one on the exisiting patio.
On the patio, I would be able to go approx 16 x 8 max, would 12 x 8 give me enough? I’ve marked it out and it seems ok but real life experiences would be really helpful.
It only needs to be a space for one bike as I can cram them in the main garage but there isn’t enough space in there for the bikes and to carry out the work.
Ideally I would like 20 x 10 but I think that may well be overkill?
Thanks in advance
Greg
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Post by: Craizeehair on August 04, 2023, 01:28:39 PM
whatever size you get you will fill it up! I have a 26 x 10 and its full. 12 x 8 would be ok as a dedicated workshop.Thanks, that’s good to know as it could be a dedicated workshop as I do have the garage attached to the house for other ‘stuff’
Post by: Trigger on August 04, 2023, 01:46:29 PM
whatever size you get you will fill it up! I have a 26 x 10 and its full. 12 x 8 would be ok as a dedicated workshop.Thanks, that’s good to know as it could be a dedicated workshop as I do have the garage attached to the house for other ‘stuff’
Then buy a a big shed and empty to stuff from the garage and use the garage ;)
Post by: Craizeehair on August 04, 2023, 01:56:13 PM
That would be ideal but the garage is quite slim and shelved out down one side with the wife’s stuff, with a ramp up, there would be no route through and that’s one battle I don’t need to have, I’ve had enough green lights for bikes and sheds lately to take my winswhatever size you get you will fill it up! I have a 26 x 10 and its full. 12 x 8 would be ok as a dedicated workshop.Thanks, that’s good to know as it could be a dedicated workshop as I do have the garage attached to the house for other ‘stuff’
Then buy a a big shed and empty to stuff from the garage and use the garage ;)
Post by: flatfour on August 04, 2023, 02:16:33 PM
I don't know whether you've spoken to insurers if you plan to keep your bike(s) in there? Mine were happy to accept my "Cedar Garage" after reading the manufacturer's literature, however they said that even in this rural postcode, anything described as a shed would be deemed unacceptable.
The floor loading for mine is two tonnes, however as a precaution I asked for a double floor to be installed.
Post by: Oddjob on August 04, 2023, 02:50:05 PM
With a ramp, roof height is critical, measure the bike from the floor to the top of it's mirrors and add on around 3ft for the ramp and you'll know how high it has to be to clear.
I'm also looking for a decent sized shed which is how all this stuff is logged in my mind at present. With a ramp, concrete floor is a must IMO. Better to have it rawl bolted into the floor than risk it tipping over.
I plan to install my ramp right in the middle of the double doors, that gives me enough room to walk either side to get to benches and cupboards etc. If possible try to fit any tool chests or roll cabinets etc at the head of the ramp, accessible from both sides of the bench that way without having to walk round all the time. Plan it all out on paper first before buying so you buy the right one and if you have the money always buy the bigger of the 2 options you think are best.
Post by: Johnny4428 on August 04, 2023, 03:42:41 PM
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Post by: Craizeehair on August 04, 2023, 04:47:20 PM
It will be on a concrete base wherever it’s final position is, so that should be fine.
Garaging them in there isn’t really an issue,for insurance purposes they can all squeeze into the brick built attached garage if need be, so that’s not the most important consideration.
In theory, I do have enough space to go to a decent size but I do want to be mindful of the space it takes away from the garden etc, I already take up one shed as well as my share of the garage.
What I don’t want to do is to be overly considerate and leave myself a space that is too small to work as an effective workshop. I’m just trying to figure out the minimum size I think I would need, I reckon that to be 12 x 8 minimum and keen to hear opinions from anyone who has similar to see if I’m way off the mark!
Post by: Oddjob on August 04, 2023, 05:17:44 PM
I also read somewhere that if the building is a certain distance from the main wall of the house it falls outside these restrictions and planning permission isn't needed. Building regs may still be enforced though.
Just something to consider, bigger isn't always best.
Post by: Craizeehair on August 04, 2023, 05:55:36 PM
Slightly off topic but what about the neighbours? Planning permission is required when garage/shed space exceeds a certain cubic meterage, any existing buildings go towards this figure. Now if the sheds too big and the neighbours think it looks out of place or unsightly etc they could complain to the council and that's something you don't want.Noted.
I also read somewhere that if the building is a certain distance from the main wall of the house it falls outside these restrictions and planning permission isn't needed. Building regs may still be enforced though.
Just something to consider, bigger isn't always best.
Luckily for us, last year our neighbour built a 20 x 10 wooden structure to house his miniature railway at the bottom of his garden, he did consult us before hand in case we objected… but live and let live and all that. I’ve already told him that mine is springing to life in my mind and he was more than happy. His runs along the back fence and mine (hopefully) will run along the side, so I can have double doors on the end and wheel the bike straight in. I haven’t gone as far as checking but I seem to recall 2.4m being the safe height as far as contravening any regs go?
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 05, 2023, 12:51:17 PM
I have the 550, 400 and a bike ramp in there currently and two work benches for fettling. Its a squeeze but works well and even have room for a visitor when required 8)
I've also all my tools and fishing gubbins in there. You learn to hang everything off the walls and ceiling to allow for better walk about room, works for me.
It's up against the wall and so instead of doors at the end, I have a single door to get in at one end and two doors on the same side to get the bikes in and out and or onto the ramp. Just get the biggest you can as it will never be big enough. I might add that all my benches are on hinges so that if I really need to I can fold them flat to the wall which is a real help and saves on room 'for cat swinging' and if not required.
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 05, 2023, 12:52:18 PM
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Post by: Craizeehair on August 22, 2023, 05:58:50 PM
I’m thinking if the walls and roof are well insulated it may be ok, Does anyone have any experience of this and could advise?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 22, 2023, 06:11:22 PM
We went on to clad the inside with 2" batons, added 2" Polystyrene insulation between the batons then clad the inside with MDF - we left a gap of around an inch from the floor that was later sealed & painted. He stores his pedal cycle collection in the garage - no condensation or rust issues he also uses a small bar type wardrobe heater during the winter using off peak electric.
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Post by: Craizeehair on August 23, 2023, 06:22:37 PM
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Post by: Laverdaroo on September 06, 2023, 07:04:03 PM
I have workshop plans too, I'm going to use my total permitted development rights so roughly 7m x 5m concrete raft, 4x2 framing clad internally with 12mm osb, pitched roof. Well something like that anyway although I can't decide if I'd be better going for 8 x 4mGet in, that sounds ace, it won’t be big enough though, you know that, right?
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Post by: Craizeehair on September 06, 2023, 07:26:30 PM
Wow! I was going to say that your bike looks incredible, so why do you need a workshop...... but I've noticed that the upper left hand silencer seems to be a slightly off - is the internal baffle just off vertical? Shed and getting definitely neededThanks, I think it is very nice, unfortunately that has nothing to do with me, not my work I’m afraid. That’s why I’m looking for a workshop, after some very minor spannering along the way, I’m looking to get some space so that I can get my teeth in to something myself..
Post by: Craizeehair on November 07, 2023, 07:37:32 PM
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 08, 2023, 05:48:46 AM
Post by: Craizeehair on November 08, 2023, 06:25:59 AM
I bet that was hard work barrowing in the concrete - looks a neat job.I was sweating just watching them Ted
Post by: Craizeehair on November 08, 2023, 06:39:47 AM
Superb, great news, you’ll love thatI certainly will, so will her indoors, there are currently two motorcycles parked up in the house as the guys needed access through the garage to complete the base and I wasn’t leaving them outside. She’s looking forward to gaining some of the garage space back, apparently we need a dog washing sink installing in there now!
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Post by: Johnny4428 on November 08, 2023, 07:00:55 AM
Superb, great news, you’ll love thatI certainly will, so will her indoors, there are currently two motorcycles parked up in the house as the guys needed access through the garage to complete the base and I wasn’t leaving them outside. She’s looking forward to gaining some of the garage space back, apparently we need a dog washing sink installing in there now!
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Great idea! Parts washer when there’s no dogs to wash!😂😂😂
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 08, 2023, 07:18:25 AM
PS I have a sink on our garage unfortunately no hot water though.
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on November 08, 2023, 08:04:54 AM
Superb, great news, you’ll love thatI certainly will, so will her indoors, there are currently two motorcycles parked up in the house as the guys needed access through the garage to complete the base and I wasn’t leaving them outside. She’s looking forward to gaining some of the garage space back, apparently we need a dog washing sink installing in there now!
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Compromise and get a parts washer they can share.
Post by: Craizeehair on November 08, 2023, 08:19:54 AM
Genius idea… squeaky clean dogs and a toy for me!Superb, great news, you’ll love thatI certainly will, so will her indoors, there are currently two motorcycles parked up in the house as the guys needed access through the garage to complete the base and I wasn’t leaving them outside. She’s looking forward to gaining some of the garage space back, apparently we need a dog washing sink installing in there now!
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Compromise and get a parts washer they can share.
Post by: Laverda Dave on November 08, 2023, 09:57:14 AM
Do yourself a big favour if you are leaving the concrete floor, pour some self leveling screed over the top. If will stop the dust rising from the concrete and leaves a smooth finish that is a lot easier to clean/sweep than plain or painted concrete. If you are planning on working out there in the winter insulate the floor, there is nothing worse than working for hours whilst standing on a sold concrete floor and feeling the cold come up through your feet!
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on November 08, 2023, 10:14:18 AM
Post by: Craizeehair on November 08, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
Looking really good, in by Christmas :).The shed will have an insulated wooden floor with damp proof membrane and 20mm T&G floor boards, so I’m hoping that should be quite comfortable, relatively speaking.
Do yourself a big favour if you are leaving the concrete floor, pour some self leveling screed over the top. If will stop the dust rising from the concrete and leaves a smooth finish that is a lot easier to clean/sweep than plain or painted concrete. If you are planning on working out there in the winter insulate the floor, there is nothing worse than working for hours whilst standing on a sold concrete floor and feeling the cold come up through your feet!
Post by: Craizeehair on December 16, 2023, 12:55:04 AM
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 16, 2023, 04:55:15 AM
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Post by: Craizeehair on December 16, 2023, 07:29:20 AM
Looking good - are the corrugated sheets pre-insulated ?Unfortunately not, I had the floor pre insulated before installation, everything else needs doing.
Post by: Craizeehair on December 16, 2023, 07:36:19 AM
You will never get a 2 post car ramp in thereThank goodness for that!
As long as I can get a kettle and my armchair from the conservatory in there, along with a few tools and a shelf for the biscuits I can convince Mrs C that it’s a workshop and I’m working hard to improve my spannering skills, so must be left alone to figure it all out.
That’s the plan anyway, let’s see how that goes.
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Post by: Craizeehair on December 16, 2023, 11:21:14 AM
OK then, bags of wall space to fill up with desperately needed "special" tools from sream fairs and swap meetsNow you’re talking
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Post by: Craizeehair on December 16, 2023, 12:32:34 PM
Get yourself a Myford ML7 Lathe and a decent pillar drill and you'll be laughing. The lathe is the best 'special tool' I have ever bought, should have bought it years and years ago. You can get a decent one for £500 with a stand.I haven’t used a lathe since school but would love to have one.
That brings me onto another subject altogether and probably another thread altogether, but I am now wondering what would be the idiots guide to the best bits of kit I will need to make my shed into a workshop of sorts?
Post by: Johnny4428 on December 16, 2023, 12:34:42 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 16, 2023, 12:47:59 PM
In my garage I also have extra double sockets mounted on the ceiling rafters.
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Post by: Craizeehair on December 16, 2023, 07:25:13 PM
Compressor yes BUT decide what you want to do first as things like spraying needs a higher cfm than just toolsI have read that you need minimum 12-14 cfm for spraying so that’s where I’ve been looking ?
Post by: andy120t on December 16, 2023, 07:35:59 PM
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on December 16, 2023, 09:34:24 PM
Compressor yes BUT decide what you want to do first as things like spraying needs a higher cfm than just toolsI have read that you need minimum 12-14 cfm for spraying so that’s where I’ve been looking ?
I've actually just bought a compressor of that spec. V twin / 100 litre / 13CFM. Generic version lots of suppliers repaint and badge. Probably
Chinese? Rarely used, so top best quality wasn't essential. £270 delivered. Brand is Parker. Used it once so far and absolutely fine if a tad noisier than my old smaller single cylinder set up. Capacity twice that however which certainly makes a difference.
Post by: MCTID on December 17, 2023, 12:27:37 PM
It takes a few years to reach Nirvana.....but you'll save a lot of heartache (and bruises) on the journey.
Personally I like Makita stuff....my Cordless Circular Saw and my Hedgetrimmer are tools that I wouldn't be without now, but there are plenty of other excellent manufacturers out there.
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Post by: Craizeehair on February 15, 2024, 08:21:19 AM
Nice man cave space created there Craizee! I did the same insulated and lined with sterling board, never thought of painting it though. Nice one!Thanks, I had some left over masonry paint so used that on the walls, I’m hoping it should be pretty tough.
Post by: Craizeehair on February 15, 2024, 08:24:40 AM
Thats an impressive looking shed how many bikes can you fit in there? 8) 8) 8)I’m looking forward to finding out, although space to work on the bike around the lift starts to diminish pretty quickly once the toys start taking up room and there’s 3.6 metres of racking to go down one side. I reckon a few Ted!
Post by: Craizeehair on February 15, 2024, 08:25:11 AM
Nice, the good thing about osb is it acts as a vapour barrier as well due to its high glue content. I levelled an area with a mini digger on the weekend ready for type 1 mot and concrete raft foundation, 7.2 x 4.8 metres looks huge when it's dug outNow that’s a shed!
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Post by: Johnny4428 on February 15, 2024, 12:08:41 PM
I say shed, it's meant to be my workshop and storage for my business but I can see a bike or two migrating into it from my garage. I keep slipping up and referring to my bikes being in it in front of the wrong people😬😂😂 maybe depends who asks?
Post by: DomP on February 15, 2024, 04:56:04 PM
I say shed, it's meant to be my workshop and storage for my business but I can see a bike or two migrating into it from my garage. I keep slipping up and referring to my bikes being in it in front of the wrong people😬😂😂 maybe depends who asks?
Definitely!