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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB350/400 => Topic started by: motad_uk on March 17, 2015, 05:08:55 PM
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Dont want to turn the forum into a shop- but we have several of our uk made 400-4 pipesets (our version of the Honda system) which are "seconds"- minor marks to pipes caused during shipping. So not for your nut and bolt perfect rebuild but if you are removating a bike on a budget- the perfect option
before I offer these to our dealer and "the public" I wanted to offer them to forum members
is this ok Mr Admin???
if so (and dont want to make it a market- so I will just say cheap!) please email me on ianmcdonald@motad.co.uk- back in the office Thursday to respond
Ian McDonald
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No probs Ian.
Discounts or "first dibbs" for members is always welcome.
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thanks Steve (sorry for putting it in 500/550 section!)
will reply to all emails when back in the office on thursday
Ian McD
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Ian,
Got your email and replied.
Regards,
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Seems like a very attractive offer, I've ordered my set this morning.
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Pipes arrived today, had to look really hard to find any blemishes that make them seconds, nothing that will show once fitted and in use. Thank you Ian a real bargain.
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thanks for that- still got a few sets left and it would be good to keep them all within the SOHC group (so much nicer dealing with you guys!)
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Looking forward to getting mine.
Honda set will be removed, polished and put in the vault fpr safe keeping.
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Clem,
Exactly what I intend to do, hope mine have arrived when I get in from work.
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Ian,
Arrived today delighted. Can now store the original :D
Regards,
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....... and mine.
Look very good to me :D
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all gone- thanks Guys!!!
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Ian,
do you still make many?..... noticed that 400/4 set isn't listed on the Motad website
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we are making a batch of our original 400-4 Motad system in stainless steel - a complete system (not swoopy pipes like oe) a good solid system especially if you want to take off your original (are they made of gold?) system
and we will be offering soon a complete stainless steel system using our version of the original swoopy pipes collector as offered above in chrome- again with our version of the original silencer in stainless
email me on ianmcdonald@motad.co.uk- I would like to keep the forum as just that and not be selling on here
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Did you get enough interest from the C90 club to consider making a stainless system for that model?
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Did you get enough interest from the C90 club to consider making a stainless system for that model?
sorry no- take way the "non enthusiasts" who just want cheap- and there just wasn't enough interest to cover the (v expensive) toiling cost- but keep the enquiries coming!
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Got my 400/4 pipes today. Very happy with them. :) :) Thank you.
Kenny.
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glad you are pleased
we are planning to make a batch of stainless steel systems with stainless silencer- perhaps so you can use for every day use and keep an original system for shows and displays
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Hi Ian
When are the stainless silencers that fit onto the stock Honda downpipes and collector likely to be available. I've got excellent downpipes and collector but a rather sad silencer.
Kevin
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have a production meeting today- will get an eta and update you
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Spotted these on eBay yesterday if anyone is interested:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB400-4-4-1-Stainless-steel-pipes-and-collector-by-Motad-/351417791837?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51d221f55d
Start price is way cheaper than I paid late last year for the chrome version DS were selling at the time.
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I'd be interested in a stainless silencer for my 400four - provided it looks right
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Can't see anything 400/4 related on the Motad site.
Guess this is a question for Ian, to see if anything came of his Production Meeting back in April.
I'll have to watch and see what the pipes go for.
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I have just looked at the stainlees Motad downpipes on ebay. It says 'stainless steel will colour when hot'. Are they talking about the 'blueing' and does this mean they are not double skinned ?. Not that I need a set of pipes but I'm just interested to know.
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I have just looked at the stainlees Motad downpipes on ebay. It says 'stainless steel will colour when hot'. Are they talking about the 'blueing' and does this mean they are not double skinned ?. Not that I need a set of pipes but I'm just interested to know.
Not sure Julie but I imagine they would go to a straw colour (will yellow rather than blue). Ian from Motad is bound to know
Ash
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It's a shame that they would go any colour really Ash. Im lucky, mine are double skinned so no discolouration at all and they look lovely like that.
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It's a shame that they would go any colour really Ash. Im lucky, mine are double skinned so no discolouration at all and they look lovely like that.
You are lucky Julie 'cos not even Yamiya are considering repro'ing double skinned headers for the 400/4 iconic exhaust.
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I am very lucky Ash. The complete system on mine is in excellent condition.
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I am very lucky Ash. The complete system on mine is in excellent condition.
Apart from the water inside them ;D ;D ;D
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Oh Yes, they do still 'piddle' a wee bit on cold start up ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm sure I read somewhere that aftermarket suppliers will not make double skinned pipes as the tooling involved makes it not cost-effective.
Out of interest, do 'modern' bikes still have double skinned pipes or have manufacturers gone for single skinned?
I think many nowadays are not chromed so 'blueing' (or 'yellowing') maybe not such an issue.
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The downpipes on my Tiger 800 are a sort of brown colour. They are not chromed.
I suspect that people expect to see shiny chrome pipes on a classic bike, but on a modern bike it doesn't matter.
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the tooling cost to double skin a specific 4-1 is likely to be around £30,000
divide this by sales of (perhaps) a 100 and the cost of a double skinned system against single skinned (and a bit of discolouration) is increased by £300!
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the tooling cost to double skin a specific 4-1 is likely to be around £30,000
divide this by sales of (perhaps) a 100 and the cost of a double skinned system against single skinned (and a bit of discolouration) is increased by £300!
I am lucky enough to have a new set of originals but if not I would have gladly paid the extra 300 GBP for double skinned. I can't understand why Yamiya never went for double skinned, as they did on the 750 pipes they repro.
Ash
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the tooling cost to double skin a specific 4-1 is likely to be around £30,000
divide this by sales of (perhaps) a 100 and the cost of a double skinned system against single skinned (and a bit of discolouration) is increased by £300!
I am lucky enough to have a new set of originals but if not I would have gladly paid the extra 300 GBP for double skinned. I can't understand why Yamiya never went for double skinned, as they did on the 750 pipes they repro.
Bottom line is that (probably) 90% of all potential purchasers although they would like the extra feature, have another use for the £300. Its like when we have an option on a particular model and deciding on making (lets say) a 4-2 system or a 4-1 at lower cost- if asked 90% of customers will prefer the 4-2 if it looks more like original- and 95% will actually buy the 4-1 becuase its much cheaper
Ash
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Hi Ian, take your point but our old mate 'bikepusher' sells NOS complete systems, when he gets them, for 1500 GBP and reckons he could sell them all day long at that.
People are as fanatical about 400/4 resto's as the 750K0 and are willing to pay the silly money. Yamiya told me only a couple of months ago that there were no plans to repro the 400/4 system and they are now doing them. Betcha either themselves or PMC come out with a double-skinned version in due course. Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't track down the original tooling from Sankei.
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and I think its good that there are really two markets
1. the person who wants it 100% original and is willing to pay mega money
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2. they want a nice old bike from their past to ride and enjoy (and still have some money left for the other toys and hobbies)
Motad will continue in market 2