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Title: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 24, 2019, 04:38:22 PM
Another bike arrived yesterday form Jamesh  , a CB550 K1 engine is a runner and sounds quite good and everything else is original on the bike and in nice condition. So today i though i would sort out a few niggles the first was one of the rear indicators wasnt working so replaced the original wire and all ok now   then the stupid indicator buzzer & running lights at the front a quick disconnect of a couple of wires and thats stopped that. The 2 top exhausts had holes in them but James kindly supplied a couple of replacements which will do for now ( a bit rusty) so they have  gone on, the fuel tank has had a repair on the bottom & been lined with Kreem so i have swished the tank out cleaned the fuel tap as it leaked a bit & that seems ok & fitted some inline filters just in case. Tomorrow im gonna try balance the carbs with a Vac gauge as its running rich then plugs oil etc. Such fun ;D ;D
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 24, 2019, 04:48:20 PM
Pics to follow
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 24, 2019, 04:57:19 PM
Lovely Dave.....my favorite color
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: deltarider on January 24, 2019, 05:08:42 PM
Tomorrow im gonna try balance the carbs with a Vac gauge as its running rich then plugs oil etc. Such fun ;D ;D
Running rich has little or nothing to do with unbalanced carbs.
This would be my working order:
Let camchain tensioner adjust itself (if needed)
Check valve gaps.
Check ignition:
  a. breakerpoints gap
  b. check timing stationary and fully advanced
  c. doublecheck a and b
  d. Visually check for arcing whether at the breakerpoints or between plugwires/caps and head. When in doubt replace plugcaps by new ones.
  d. Fit new plugs.
Verify fuel level is unhindered and level in the floatbowls is correct.
Is airfilter OK?
Check for airleaks at intake boots and where exhausts connect to the head.
Take notes of what the airscrews are set at/Check airscrews are set correctly.
If the bike was inactive for a long period, check at least the slow jets are clean.
When all this is done, there's a good chance you can abstain from vac syncing.
Beautiful bike!

Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 24, 2019, 05:28:01 PM
Blimey, that's a comprehensive list. I would just screw the air screws in a bit to start with and see how the plug colour changes after riding / running it. Simple easy things first.
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 24, 2019, 05:32:37 PM
Many thanks for that  i am gonna be very busy tommorow going through that list  :-[  and yes Julie it is a nice colour & i hope i can resist the temptation to restore it as its so original with a nice patina but will eventually have to get some pipes .
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 24, 2019, 05:41:59 PM
but will eventually have to get some pipes .
So they will be on order by tomorrow afternoon then Dave 😀😀😀
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 24, 2019, 05:43:20 PM
Safety tag from 1983  ;D    Yes Julie  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: jon stead on January 24, 2019, 07:13:53 PM
Nice looking bike
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on January 24, 2019, 07:22:28 PM
Where would we be without James eh?

Single-handedly keeping a flow of interesting new projects whilst lowering the average age of the membership by 20 years!

We would otherwise just be a group of old blokes endlessly discussing the minutiae of old bikes (like some forums that I frequent )

Steve


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Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: JamesH on January 24, 2019, 09:07:06 PM
Dave - glad you’re happy with the bike. I honestly didn’t even look at the underside of the tank - I just took it off and set it on the ground when I changed the carbs. My bad for rushing a bit and not looking. Pm me if it’s an issue and we can work something out. James
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 24, 2019, 09:33:05 PM
Seems ok at the moment James and is not noticeable but thanks anyway & i took your advice on low ethanol fuel . But i do have a question if anyone can help, as the plugs are sooty to lean them out do i turn the air pilot air screw in or out  the manual is a tad unclear on that.
Cheers
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: deltarider on January 24, 2019, 09:59:21 PM
Dave, my apologies for that long list but I don't know how experienced you are. Vac syncing comes last if at all needed. On your model turning the aircrews in enrichens, turning out leans out the mixture. Standard is: 11/2 ± 3/8 turn out, provided you have the standard 022A carbs*. Don't make the mistake to try to achieve a highest rpm at idle by turning the screws out. The engine will pur like a kitten, but you will have a rotten acceleration. These CB550s need an idle mixture that is on the rich side. About your plugs that look sooty. What part of the plug looks sooty? The nose is what matters. The thread's end will always appear sooty.
* See pic where you can find the carb number. In this case 087A the carb that was on the CB550K2. Your K1 originally had 022A.
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 24, 2019, 10:40:26 PM
It's the electrodes of the plugs that are sooty , I've referenced them against the pics in the manual and it definitely says it rich.

Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: JamesH on January 25, 2019, 09:39:30 AM
It's the electrodes of the plugs that are sooty , I've referenced them against the pics in the manual and it definitely says it rich.

Dave - not sure how much you've run the bike but I didn't change the plugs, so the soot could be from the previous running. I'd suggest a new set of plugs to be on the safe side & you can asess how it's running on the set of 'Gerben' carbs just fitted to it. Also, fit a new air filter as well..James.
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 25, 2019, 10:06:05 AM
Cheers James
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 25, 2019, 02:35:59 PM
The carbs are 087A ,so would that make any difference as Deltarider says they are K2 will the adjustment be the same .
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Bryanj on January 25, 2019, 03:07:26 PM
Check the jet sizes and post, i will then check against my original paper US parts book 4 u
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 25, 2019, 03:10:39 PM
Will do , be next week now many thanks

Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: deltarider on January 25, 2019, 03:56:27 PM
The carbs are 087A ,so would that make any difference as Deltarider says they are K2 will the adjustment be the same .
Why the K2 got a different carb number - 087A instead of 022A - is still a mystery to be solved. Studying the various CB500/550 parts list some years ago and this one in particular: page C10 in http://www.honda4fun.com/pdf_parts_list/pdf_spac550/CB550-K0-K1-K2/CB550-K0-K1-K2_04.pdf, I detected one difference that would explain the new carb number: in stead of airscrew pn 16016-323-004 that we know of the CB550 and CB550K1, the parts list mentions for the CB550K2 an airscrew pn 16016-390-004. Ha, that must be it! I thought. BTW, it's the airscrew with a solid tip and not cross drilled that we know of the CB550F models. But... sofar not one owner of 087A carbs has reported, when asked, that he indeed had that airscrew. They all had the old airscrew, with open tip and crossdrilled. Strange. Anyway, since then I have made it a habbit to ask every owner of 087A carbs what type airscrew he has and that now includes you. Please unscrew, after noting what position the airscrew is set at ofcourse, what type of airscrew you have. Mind the little spring! In the pics below airscrew 16016-323-004 and 16016-390-004.
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: JamesH on January 25, 2019, 04:28:08 PM
Pretty sure Gerben supplied the carbs with 100 main jets and 40 pilot jets which are correct for this model. But by all means pull them and check..
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: JamesH on January 25, 2019, 04:35:39 PM
Where would we be without James eh?

Single-handedly keeping a flow of interesting new projects whilst lowering the average age of the membership by 20 years!

We would otherwise just be a group of old blokes endlessly discussing the minutiae of old bikes (like some forums that I frequent )

Steve


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I’ll take that as a compliment Steve. I’m slowly bumping up the average age as each year passes..
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: Davelu88 on January 25, 2019, 04:41:48 PM
Cheers James if all else fails then i will have too but if they are anything like the 400 i would rather not pull them , i may just be rushing it as although plugs are sooty until i can get it registered and take it for a ride to blast it out  as that is what it may need , so i may just wait and see.  Here is a pic Delta of screw.
Title: Re: New project 550K1
Post by: deltarider on January 25, 2019, 07:30:09 PM
Here is a pic Delta of screw.
Thank you. So far I have not heard of anyone that has/had the other airscrew (16012-390-004) in his 087A carbs as page C10 in the parts list clearly specifies. Strange. Another reason to give the 087A carb - that is further identical with the 022A carb - its number could be that the needle was hung in a different position. Actually that's the only thing I can think of, but I'm not sure if that in itself would be enough for a different number. So... still a mystery.
Man, that is a lovely bike.
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