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Title: H Reg K1?
Post by: Horace on September 11, 2018, 10:48:49 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1970-Honda-CB750-K1-Classic-Vintage-Rare-Beautifully-Restored-L-K-L-K-L-K/132643511007?hash=item1ee22b5adf:g:QcUAAOSw9mFbEUlH
How can this bike have a 69/70 reg?
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 11, 2018, 10:59:41 PM
That's DVLA for you, they do make mistakes especially on age related reg numbers for imported bikes. They gave him a 'G' reg on an early die cast once, wrong again !!!
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Trigger on September 11, 2018, 11:04:50 PM
Wrong rear light and loads of repro parts  ;)
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Seabeowner on September 12, 2018, 01:10:27 PM
Definitely confusing, Frank states first reg as 11/09/70 which makes it a J. (6 weeks outside H)
US site says K1 production began August 1970 at VIN 1044806 and this is 1058782.
Can get out of sync on imported bikes as they use the month of manufacture, but presume this is a UK bike. (But as pointed out has some incorrect and a number of repro parts)
My imported 500K0 is J reg. Earliest in the UK would be K I think.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 01:48:45 PM
Not a UK bike, definitely an import. Reg in UK September 2015.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 12, 2018, 02:35:48 PM
Wrong rear light and loads of repro parts  ;)

Is that not the rear light on the 69-71 USA 750 then.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 02:50:55 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: SumpMagnet on September 12, 2018, 03:41:35 PM
HAH....Motorcycles Unlimited.....why am I not surprised.

First time I went there they tried to sell me a GSX750 with a hole in the crankcase. 'bit of filler...and it's fine. It's not structural' ....... sure. And how did it happen exactly?

Admittedly that was a few years ago, but I was not impressed with their 'knowledge' and the more they went into 'classic' Japanse bikes, the less I trusted them. Not the worst by any stretch. That would be RAP Motorcycles in North London. Don't get me started on THEM.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 12, 2018, 04:04:37 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
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Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 05:46:35 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
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Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: petermigreen on September 12, 2018, 07:55:36 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
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Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Interesting. Just found out my side panel diamond badges are the wrong colour. Oh well, won't be able to sleep tonight now  ::)
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 08:06:24 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
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Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Interesting. Just found out my side panel diamond badges are the wrong colour. Oh well, won't be able to sleep tonight now  ::)
What colour are your Peter? I can't see in your Avitar, your leg is in the way, can you remove your leg please  :)
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: petermigreen on September 12, 2018, 08:10:50 PM
Leg removed!

[attach=1]
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 08:30:22 PM
Red badges with gold paint is correct Peter.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 12, 2018, 08:34:44 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
.
Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

(Attachment Link)

Isn't that The England light and not the one fit on USA models.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: petermigreen on September 12, 2018, 08:38:42 PM
Red badges with gold paint is correct Peter.
Much Joyousness!
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 08:49:11 PM
But, you also see gold with gold, I think it was whatever the person who fitted them at the factory laid his hands on first. I have seen photos of new CB750's with both colours fitted.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 12, 2018, 09:00:34 PM
CMS list the K1 as red and K2 as gold.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 09:28:57 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
.
Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

(Attachment Link)

Isn't that The England light and not the one fit on USA models.
Do you know something Moorey, I'm not sure. But, I am sure I have seen the more rounded type on USA bikes. We need Peter and Mick, who both have USA K1's to let us know what they have fitted and then find someone with a UK K1 to see what's on theirs. The only person I know with a UK K1 is Paul Gledhill but I'm not sure if he had a rear light in all the boxes of bits he got with his restoration project. A UK K1 is a very, very rare bike, so there's not many around to compare with.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: petermigreen on September 12, 2018, 09:47:30 PM
Julie, not sure if you mean me but my 750 is a K2 with the f*@k off massive rear light so no help here.

Here's Mick's rear light which I believe is a K1 but unsure if it's an import or UK model, sorry.

[attach=1]

Peter
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 12, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
.
Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

(Attachment Link)

Isn't that The England light and not the one fit on USA models.
Do you know something Moorey, I'm not sure. But, I am sure I have seen the more rounded type on USA bikes. We need Peter and Mick, who both have USA K1's to let us know what they have fitted and then find someone with a UK K1 to see what's on theirs. The only person I know with a UK K1 is Paul Gledhill but I'm not sure if he had a rear light in all the boxes of bits he got with his restoration project. A UK K1 is a very, very rare bike, so there's not many around to compare with.

When you look through the parts lists the one for sale has the correct rear light for USA and other models other than England Germany and Holland. Your pic would seem to be for England only. The German and Holland lights been different again.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 09:54:22 PM
Julie, not sure if you mean me but my 750 is a K2 with the f*@k off massive rear light so no help here.

Here's Mick's rear light which I believe is a K1 but unsure if it's an import or UK model, sorry.

(Attachment Link)

Peter
Yes, I was referring to yourself Peter. I thought you had a USA K1 🤔🤔🤔 In that case yes, your rear light is as big as barn door but also, that means you have the incorrect side panel badges fitted 😱😱😱😱 I would see it as a rare manufacturing balls up 😁😁😁
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 12, 2018, 09:58:44 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
.
Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

(Attachment Link)

Isn't that The England light and not the one fit on USA models.
Do you know something Moorey, I'm not sure. But, I am sure I have seen the more rounded type on USA bikes. We need Peter and Mick, who both have USA K1's to let us know what they have fitted and then find someone with a UK K1 to see what's on theirs. The only person I know with a UK K1 is Paul Gledhill but I'm not sure if he had a rear light in all the boxes of bits he got with his restoration project. A UK K1 is a very, very rare bike, so there's not many around to compare with.

When you look through the parts lists the one for sale has the correct rear light for USA and other models other than England Germany and Holland. Your pic would seem to be for England only. The German and Holland lights been different again.
Why didn't they just have one style back light, it would be less confusing. But I'm sure you are correct and the bike for sale has the correct light fitted, it just doesn't look right to me though.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Green1 on September 12, 2018, 10:33:14 PM
My K1 is a USA import. All the USA k1's Iv seen have had the same rear light.
I also have red side badges on my mostly untouched bike.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 13, 2018, 04:15:17 AM
Even though that self proclaimed expert is up his own arse he does specify it's all on USA models.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Trigger on September 13, 2018, 07:55:54 AM
A bit like this guy trying to sell a K2 as a K1 and then states it is "Re advertised due to time waster". I think he is the time waster, advertising the wrong bike >> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CB750-K1-1971-MANUFACTURED-BUT-REGISTERED-1972-USA-IMPORT/113239992259?hash=item1a5da127c3:g:0DUAAOSwefxbiXzd 
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 13, 2018, 08:36:11 AM
The trouble is they are selling to those who don't know and are trying to screw every penny out of the job. Why else would be even mention K1. Amazing how many will buy without doing any sort of homework and just believe som ething they are told by the seller simply because a item is fashionable at the time. When the arse drops out of this market which it will in time, they will simply move on to the next money maker. The upside been plenty about for the true enthusiast.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: adespin on September 13, 2018, 10:08:12 AM
[attachimg=1]

1971 US import rear light.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 13, 2018, 11:27:36 AM
Nope, totally wrong.

.
Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

(Attachment Link)

Isn't that The England light and not the one fit on USA models.
Do you know something Moorey, I'm not sure. But, I am sure I have seen the more rounded type on USA bikes. We need Peter and Mick, who both have USA K1's to let us know what they have fitted and then find someone with a UK K1 to see what's on theirs. The only person I know with a UK K1 is Paul Gledhill but I'm not sure if he had a rear light in all the boxes of bits he got with his restoration project. A UK K1 is a very, very rare bike, so there's not many around to compare with.

When you look through the parts lists the one for sale has the correct rear light for USA and other models other than England Germany and Holland. Your pic would seem to be for England only. The German and Holland lights been different again.
Why didn't they just have one style back light, it would be less confusing. But I'm sure you are correct and the bike for sale has the correct light fitted, it just doesn't look right to me though.

It does seem strange these days but maybe it was to do with suiting local laws in some way. Even as late as the Fs they had different rear lights and indicators for different countries.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 13, 2018, 11:38:21 AM
Oval rear lamp is correct for 1968-> very early 70's UK bikes and is often a good way to tell if bike is likely to be a genuine UK one (or JDM, as they fitted them for that market too)
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: SumpMagnet on September 13, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
~Sharks feed on a rising market.... and I can't help wondering how much the shop in question bought that in for.....

Whilst I don't think the market for these bikes will drop, if the Brit iron market is anything to go by, but I hope the crazy prices will be reserved for the rare and precious, and bikes like my humble F2 can stay usable and affordable. Not so highly prized I don't dare park it outside the Post Office while I pop in for 2 minutes to post a package.

As long as the market is heating up still...shysters will try and make money passing off a bike as a 'classic icon' and massage descriptions to inflate prices.

The more people use forums/owners clubs to check out any expensive purchase, the better, because that's the best way to keep the chancers under control IMHO.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Moorey on September 14, 2018, 01:43:13 PM
A bit like this guy trying to sell a K2 as a K1 and then states it is "Re advertised due to time waster". I think he is the time waster, advertising the wrong bike >> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CB750-K1-1971-MANUFACTURED-BUT-REGISTERED-1972-USA-IMPORT/113239992259?hash=item1a5da127c3:g:0DUAAOSwefxbiXzd

I sent him a message pointing out his errors. I received this reply.


Hi thanks for message, bought it as a K1 due to when it was manufactured however now you have messaged me I have checked via the internet and I now realise my mistake. Will change listing when I get home tonight.
Ian
 
 Cynical me doesn't think it will alter looking at the bids on it.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: paul G on September 15, 2018, 03:20:23 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
.
Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

(Attachment Link)

Isn't that The England light and not the one fit on USA models.
Do you know something Moorey, I'm not sure. But, I am sure I have seen the more rounded type on USA bikes. We need Peter and Mick, who both have USA K1's to let us know what they have fitted and then find someone with a UK K1 to see what's on theirs. The only person I know with a UK K1 is Paul Gledhill but I'm not sure if he had a rear light in all the boxes of bits he got with his restoration project. A UK K1 is a very, very rare bike, so there's not many around to compare with.
I have and it's round Julie


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Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 15, 2018, 03:26:43 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
.
Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

(Attachment Link)

Isn't that The England light and not the one fit on USA models.
Do you know something Moorey, I'm not sure. But, I am sure I have seen the more rounded type on USA bikes. We need Peter and Mick, who both have USA K1's to let us know what they have fitted and then find someone with a UK K1 to see what's on theirs. The only person I know with a UK K1 is Paul Gledhill but I'm not sure if he had a rear light in all the boxes of bits he got with his restoration project. A UK K1 is a very, very rare bike, so there's not many around to compare with.
I have and it's round Julie


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👍👍👍 Back from your Holibobs then Paul?
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: paul G on September 15, 2018, 03:44:02 PM
Nope, totally wrong.
.
Can you put a pic of the right one up please then for future ref. As this guide seems to differ. http://honda750expert.com/
Blimey, whoever that chap is on that website knows how to blow his own trumpets !!! That article is full of crap and glaring errors.
Here you go

(Attachment Link)

Isn't that The England light and not the one fit on USA models.
Do you know something Moorey, I'm not sure. But, I am sure I have seen the more rounded type on USA bikes. We need Peter and Mick, who both have USA K1's to let us know what they have fitted and then find someone with a UK K1 to see what's on theirs. The only person I know with a UK K1 is Paul Gledhill but I'm not sure if he had a rear light in all the boxes of bits he got with his restoration project. A UK K1 is a very, very rare bike, so there's not many around to compare with.
I have and it's round Julie


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Back from your Holibobs then Paul?
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Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: paul G on September 18, 2018, 08:38:22 AM
Mine from a UK K1

(https://i.imgur.com/hVy6NGR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/J6Yiaec.jpg)
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Crispy on September 24, 2018, 07:14:13 PM
Here's my rear light, US K1 1971
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 24, 2018, 07:29:23 PM
So many tail lights to hand.....why are they not on bikes and in use  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: MrDavo on September 24, 2018, 07:42:27 PM
No image to hand, but my 1971 CB750 K1 general export had the same 'small suitcase' lamp as my K1 CL450 here

(https://i.postimg.cc/X73Tqs1H/s-l1607.jpg)

It fell apart inside with age and vibration, I'm now using a new CB500 one off eBay, much smaller, and almost fits. Handy with the carrier too.
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 24, 2018, 09:18:47 PM
Here's my rear light, US K1 1971
Yes Crispy...yours is a correct rear light, it has the clear panel on the side. I knew there was something wrong with the lamp on the bike in the link posted originally. But....i really know nowt about USA bikes so, I could still be wrong 😀😀😀
Title: Re: H Reg K1?
Post by: MrDavo on September 25, 2018, 02:54:12 PM
Disregard my previous tosh about the General Export CB750 K1 lamp being the same as my 450 one.

I just found it while out in the garage, applying chemical armageddon paint stripper to the 450's chainguard.

It it turns out to be twice as big, with 4 screws, a round reflector and amber reflectors at the side. It got sacked as it rubbed against my carrier. I dare say no one cares but as the GE bikes are rare here, here it is for posterity.

(https://i.postimg.cc/nzsNSc11/IMG_3241.jpg)
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