Post by: Seabeowner on September 15, 2017, 08:50:47 PM
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-4888010/Cars-older-40-years-exempt-MOT-test-2018.html
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 15, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
Post by: Seabeowner on September 15, 2017, 09:21:52 PM
Post by: Trigger on September 15, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
Post by: matthewmosse on September 15, 2017, 09:27:12 PM
Post by: Bryanj on September 15, 2017, 09:34:54 PM
Post by: petermigreen on September 15, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
Humbug.
Peter.
Post by: Bryanj on September 15, 2017, 09:40:18 PM
Post by: Green1 on September 15, 2017, 09:54:29 PM
Iv never had a bike or any other vehicle fail but I have seen some incredibly dangerous vehicles.
My brother is a mechanic and tells me about a new death trap that comes in every day.
The most worrying thing is when he points it out to customers and they just don't care.
I find an MOT is rather pointless as it only tells you a vehicle is safe at moment of test things can fail at anytime. I had the brakes fail on a Transit as it was driven off the ramp at the test station after it passed.
Post by: hairygit on September 15, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
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Post by: Nurse Julie on September 15, 2017, 10:57:05 PM
For anyone that's interested, here are the relevant doc's for the new changes. You can still have a voluntary annual MOT if you wish.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/roadworthiness-testing-for-vehicles-of-historic-interest
Post by: Trigger on September 15, 2017, 11:02:05 PM
Post by: Green1 on September 15, 2017, 11:06:42 PM
Post by: Trigger on September 15, 2017, 11:11:18 PM
Recovery trucks, Milk floats, Cherry pickers and I'm sure there's more
You are not old enough to remember Milk floats ;D ;D
A clue, they are some of the heaviest on the road and don't see many in a city ;)
Post by: Green1 on September 15, 2017, 11:14:56 PM
I remember milk floats until fairly recently we used to have 6 pints a day delivered. Bloody expensive
Post by: Green1 on September 15, 2017, 11:23:41 PM
When he questioned the customer he said his brakes made a noise and then it stopped making a noise so he assumed it was OK. :o
Post by: Trigger on September 15, 2017, 11:24:31 PM
Post by: Green1 on September 15, 2017, 11:29:21 PM
There are a few based down the road from me If Im late for work you can guarantee its because I got stuck behind one.
There amazing things when on site I can't help but watch them for awhile.
What were you doing to that then?
Post by: Trigger on September 15, 2017, 11:33:38 PM
Its hard to imagine that kind of weight.
There are a few based down the road from me If Im late for work you can guarantee its because I got stuck behind one.
There amazing things when on site I can't help but watch them for awhile.
What were you doing to that then?
Helping a mate put 72 new bushes in the thing it was towing. Totally forgot to ask what the lump of machinery was for. Some round here do 50mph and take up the whole road.
Post by: Green1 on September 15, 2017, 11:38:51 PM
Post by: royhall on September 16, 2017, 08:23:02 AM
On the first test ride after the dealer had dropped it off (and scarpered), it became clear that the bike was in a lethal condition..... Front calipers were seized, brake hose from splitter to left caliper was pneumatic hose and fittings, head bearings loose, rear tyre cracked, rear brake disk was really a front one with different offset so brake was binding, fork seals leaking, drive chain so loose it was hanging down, plus loads more non MOT problems.
I reported the Fake MOT to DVSA who were not interested in the slightest. This whole scenario makes a joke of the entire MOT system that this can happen and DVSA do nothing.
By the way, I still have the bike and 70% of my money back (plus a load of Genuine Suzuki spares) after starting small claims procedure due to the dealer advertising the bike as "Nothing needs doing whatsoever". The dodgy dealer couldn't settle fast enough to stop the court action.
All problems are now repaired, and I now have a superb 1978 GS1000 for next to nothing. I wouldn't take that risk again though.
Just shows, unless you know your MOT tester is honest an MOT certificate is utterly worthless. DVSA were worse than a joke.
So I guess they may as well do away with MOT's.
Post by: Rob62 on September 16, 2017, 10:21:55 AM
Post by: Spitfire on September 16, 2017, 10:42:18 AM
As to MOT's I think that they are a good thing even though I hate taking my bikes in for one, my 76 F1 passes every year no problem but my 2000 Deauville failed yesterday due to a perished valve on the back tyre, something that I did not spot that could have turned out to be nasty. Not used to these modern tubeless tyres.
Cheers
Dennis
Post by: Orcade-Ian on September 16, 2017, 10:50:38 AM
Might still take them up there for perusal though.
Ian
Post by: hairygit on September 16, 2017, 11:00:16 AM
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Post by: MrDavo on September 19, 2017, 03:44:50 PM
My 1985 911 is another story, as a high performance car it is tested to a high standard, and each year it surprises me by failing its MOT for something unexpected. However without the MOT tester going over it with a fine toothcomb, I don't see how, for example I would ever have known that my brakes were becoming under par because the 30 year old flexible rubber parts of the rear brake pipes were bulging under pressure.
For this reason I would volunteer it for testing even if it wasn't mandatory.
Post by: matthewmosse on September 19, 2017, 07:34:50 PM
Post by: Alex jb on September 19, 2017, 10:10:07 PM
I also worry about poor maintenance by some people, but it just means buying an old bike, we will need to take more time scrutinising.
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Post by: Trigger on September 19, 2017, 10:35:34 PM
Could it be tractors that you are talking about, recently I was very surprised that my 16 year old grandson is allowed to drive a tractor and trailer on public roads after a very short test, scary.
As to MOT's I think that they are a good thing even though I hate taking my bikes in for one, my 76 F1 passes every year no problem but my 2000 Deauville failed yesterday due to a perished valve on the back tyre, something that I did not spot that could have turned out to be nasty. Not used to these modern tubeless tyres.
Cheers
Dennis
Yes, it was a tractor that I was on about but, there are many vehicle's on the road that do not need a MOT.
Post by: speedibee on September 20, 2017, 03:28:38 PM
About time too but.....i personally think its a bad move from the safety aspect. The DfT are assuming we are all experts in maintaining our old bikes to a high standard of safety. Well, I could never admit to having enough knowledge to ensure my bikes are 100% safe, I want an expert to look at it for me and advise me. I have seen bikes recently out on the road and I dare to say on this forum also that are death traps and should fail an MOT. Just my thoughts on it.doesnt apply to Bikes until 2022 ,
Post by: Seabeowner on September 20, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
"It will become a rolling forty year exemption from next year unless 'Substantially Modified' - a definition which is yet to be finalised. Bikes etc from 2022 while they sort out how to classify substantially modded for that category."
Post by: speedibee on September 20, 2017, 04:34:01 PM
and classic were were deemed to be well enough maintained by their owners not to need a test , but their owners are not MPs and other notable persons ,so they must continue to pay the local garage owners son ,who doesn't know his arsehole from breakfast time ,to tell them that their bike is safe to ride .
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 20, 2017, 06:21:58 PM
I've also read this elsewhere:I thought they were going to use the current DVLA 8 point criteria for 'substantially modified'?
"It will become a rolling forty year exemption from next year unless 'Substantially Modified' - a definition which is yet to be finalised. Bikes etc from 2022 while they sort out how to classify substantially modded for that category."
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 20, 2017, 06:24:15 PM
does not apply to bikes or 3 wheelers until 2022 , for the purposes of consultation bikes were included in all surveys and data collectionI have read the consultation doc but I couldn't see anything about 2022, just 2018. I may have missed it or miss read it though.
and classic were were deemed to be well enough maintained by their owners not to need a test , but their owners are not MPs and other notable persons ,so they must continue to pay the local garage owners son ,who doesn't know his arsehole from breakfast time ,to tell them that their bike is safe to ride .
Post by: kent400 on September 20, 2017, 06:43:21 PM
If you google 'roadwothyness testing for vehicles of historic interest' It states that lighter vehicles and states that means cars, and motorcycles over 40 years are exempt from testing provided they have not been substantially modified.
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 20, 2017, 07:11:32 PM
No I can't find any reference to 2022 Julie.Yes Peter, that is what I also read and I can't remember seeing a reference to 2022 anywhere in the document or the draft guidelines.
If you google 'roadwothyness testing for vehicles of historic interest' It states that lighter vehicles and states that means cars, and motorcycles over 40 years are exempt from testing provided they have not been substantially modified.
'The DfT estimates that it will mean an additional 293,000 UK cars and motorcycles will no longer need to have the mechanical examination every year under the rule change.'
'This means lighter vehicles (such as cars and motorcycles) and those larger vehicles such as buses which are not used commercially'.
Also, the DfT do realise there is a slightly different meaning for 'substantially modified' as far as bikes are concerned but they say the minor changes needed to the DVLA 8 point system will need only minor tweaking and new guidelines will be in place ready for implementation by May 2018.
Edit....I have just read though the 3 Government doc's again and can see no mention of 2022 anywhere. The closest I can find is a review date of 2025. Therefore I still read it as applicable to cars and motorcycles from May 2018.
Post by: Moorey on October 01, 2017, 05:07:36 PM
1.6 Although motorcycles and 3-wheeled vehicles do not come into the scope of the Directive until 1 January 2022 we are including these categories of vehicles in this consultation. (Any changes affecting these vehicles will not come into force until 1 January 2022.)
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 01, 2017, 05:39:01 PM
Post by: Moorey on October 01, 2017, 05:41:32 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 01, 2017, 06:08:40 PM
Its not often such things go the way you would like them to. :)So true. I'm not fussed if it happens or not quite honestly, as I said before I think it's a bad move personally. MOT's are something we have all had to endure soooooo many times over the years that it's part of everyday biking and driving now.
Post by: florence on October 06, 2017, 12:59:58 PM
Does anyone know if we get official notification or do we just let the last MOT lapse....?
Post by: Moorey on December 31, 2017, 02:14:33 PM
THE GOVERNMENT HAS clarified details of what will happen when the new 40-year MoT Exemption is introduced in May 2018.
Details of what the words ‘substantially modified’ mean, which is the term used to classify whether a vehicle can be considered exempt, have been firmed up. There has also been a change in the date at which a vehicle will be classified as 40 years old.
The ‘substantially modified’ category has seen the authorities abandon an original eight-point scheme which would have categorised different components, such as engines, frames, suspension and brakes as changes that affected the vehicle’s historic age for a simpler arrangement. This followed concerns that vehicles that had upgraded brakes or better engines might fall foul of the regulations.
Instead, ‘substantially modified’ will now mean a vehicle that has a power to weight ratio of more than 15 per cent in excess of its original design, unless such a modification took place before 1988.
An MoT will also still be needed if a vehicle has been issued with a registration number with a ‘Q’ prefix. Kit cars and reconstructed classic vehicles, a class defined by DVLA guidance will also be ineligible. Anyone applying for tax exemption will now need to declare that a vehicle hasn’t been substantially changed since 1988.
Original guidance issued by the Department for Transport (DfT) indicated that the rules would apply in the first instance to vehicles registered or manufactured before 1977 and then roll over, but this has now been changed.
A spokesman from the DfT told Classic Bike Guide: “The situation is that from May 20, 2018, vehicles over 40 years old will be exempt from MoT testing on a rolling basis. So on May 20, vehicles built or first registered on May 20, 1978 or earlier will become exempt; from May 21, vehicles built or first registered on
May 21, 1978 or earlier will be exempt.”
There will be nothing to stop owners of historic vehicles having their vehicles tested. At present, around 6% of owners whose vehicles are MoT exempt still have their vehicles tested.
Post by: UK Pete on January 01, 2018, 01:42:08 PM
I will probably get the bikes I use weekly looked at but rebuilt classics that don't cover many miles probably not
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Post by: Green1 on January 01, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
Post by: matthewmosse on January 01, 2018, 08:55:28 PM
Post by: florence on January 21, 2018, 09:55:19 AM
I am thinking about booking my vehicles in for a look-over once a year because there is something to be gained from having a second opinion about condition and things can easily be missed, but this can be a private arrangement between yourself and the garage.