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Title: Rounded head
Post by: Carb17 on April 05, 2016, 07:55:48 PM
Hi guys , I've hit my first hurdle which I'm sure will not be my last , when trying to remove the front wheel I tried to unscrew the speedometer which already had a slightly rounded head and made it worse . Any tips on how to remove the screw and also where I could get a new one would be great thank you
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: Chris400F on April 05, 2016, 08:18:44 PM
Have you tried an impact driver? A really useful part of any toolkit when dismantling bikes.
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: Krzychu on April 05, 2016, 08:29:44 PM
Hi there, You can look up on flebay for bolt removing kit. They are not all that expensive and You have a good chance You will need to use it few more times in the future 😉

LwG

Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: haynes66 on April 05, 2016, 08:56:53 PM
ive used either a small chisel or a screwdriver to remove these. persistent tapping rather than a good wallop. place your chisel as close to the edge as possible and work your way round.
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: RGP750 on April 05, 2016, 09:11:53 PM
Drill a small hole in the center of the cross about 8mm deep and
get a good  quality torx bit slightly larger than the hole tap it in and undo with a
small socket.
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: Carb17 on April 05, 2016, 09:21:06 PM
Thanks for everyone's advise will attack it again in the morning
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: Carb17 on April 05, 2016, 09:33:35 PM
Can anyone recommend the best place for spare parts? I.e a new screw that I rounded off on the speedometer attached to the wheel , thanks
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: hairygit on April 05, 2016, 09:40:48 PM
A good old fashioned hardware shop is always a good bet. Sadly House of Hastings (used to be thorcraft) has gone, and I think even Mozeley's in Castle street has gone now. A seller on e bay called "massive attack" has a wide range of nuts bolts etc, in bzp or stainless, he does any amount, and his postage is very good.
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: Johnwebley on April 05, 2016, 10:55:02 PM
if I remember that screw is the same as one that holds the tacho cable,

 slight domed with a countersunk head,

 http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb500-four-k1-england_model14660/93700-050160a-screw-cross_93700050150a/#.VwQ0C6QrLIU


check this
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: Carb17 on April 05, 2016, 11:00:11 PM
Yep thats the one
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: AshimotoK0 on April 05, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
Drill a small hole in the center of the cross about 8mm deep and
get a good  quality torx bit slightly larger than the hole tap it in and undo with a
small socket.

+1 on Rich's method  :) ... I do that all the time. Or Mig weld a blob of weld onto the head and then file a couple of flats onto the blob and use Mole grips to remove it while everything is still hot. Remove the plating first though
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: Bryanj on April 06, 2016, 08:15:05 AM
However you do it do not hit too hard or you will break the speedo drive, even more so if you are undoing thr tacho one
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: masonmart on April 06, 2016, 09:43:04 AM
I had the same problem with every phillips head screw on the bike. In the end I removed every screw with an impact driver, they're invaluable. Also get a set of drivers with a metal hexagon at the end opposite the blade. These you can impact the screw with to break the galling and get a lot more torque on with a spanner or socket.
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: MrDavo on April 06, 2016, 11:03:45 AM
I had the same problem with every phillips head screw on the bike.

Therein lies the problem, they're not Phillips screws, they're JIS! Using a Phillips driver will cause it to 'cam out' and slip if any serious torque is applied.

This page explains, with a diagram.

http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/jis-japanese-industrial-standard/view-all-products.html

After taking all the allen screws out of my bike and going back to the OEM silver chocolate ones, buying JIS screwdrivers was essential, I found a reasonably priced pair on eBay.
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: masonmart on April 06, 2016, 12:11:19 PM
I had the same problem with every phillips head screw on the bike.

Therein lies the problem, they're not Phillips screws, they're JIS! Using a Phillips driver will cause it to 'cam out' and slip if any serious torque is applied.

This page explains, with a diagram.

http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/jis-japanese-industrial-standard/view-all-products.html

After taking all the allen screws out of my bike and going back to the OEM silver chocolate ones, buying JIS screwdrivers was essential, I found a reasonably priced pair on eBay.

Yes understood but I call them all Phillips screws. I had the right bits for the impact drivers and screw drivers so rounding wasn't a problem only getting enough torque on them to move them. My bike and engine were seriously corroded though.
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: mike the bike on April 06, 2016, 03:53:40 PM
If you grind a small amount from the tip on a PH2 it will fit a JIS without camming out.
Title: Re: Rounded head
Post by: Carb17 on April 06, 2016, 11:18:12 PM
Thanks for everyone's help , I'm sure it will not be long until my next post !
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