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CB500/550 / Re: LED clock lights
« on: December 10, 2017, 09:06:14 AM »
Nice, and saves some Watts here and there.

The only issue's with led's is their colour temperature. The colour temperature of the original bulbs is around  2200 to 2700 Kelvin, the modern white led's have generally a colour temperature around 4000 to 5000, and sometimes 6000 Kelvin. In plain English, way to white / blueish. For me, one of the charms of these bikes is the old fashion "warm" white colour of the face plates. The warm white gives me that retro-look when riding it. Next to that, most modern LED's are way too bright.

I was also looking for replacement for my clock lights (for my 1966 CB450) and tried a few before I was satisfied with the result. If one can find LED's with a colour temperature of 2200 to 2700 K for the faceplates you're done, but in most cases, the colour temperature is not mentioned on web-sites or shops (except for head lights and indoor LED replacements).

I found that yellow LED's give almost the same warm light as the old bulbs did. For the neutral I choose amber (if you're  buying green, it's just too green), and orange for the winker indication, or in case of my bomber, for the hi-light.

Jensen

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 14C Carb upgrade Kit
« on: December 06, 2017, 07:29:25 PM »
The jet is controlling the amount of vacuum and thus the position of the aluminum piston which is one piece with the slide. The later version has a little larger diameter, so I expect that the early versions didn't respond quick enough.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 1969 CL450 Restoration
« on: December 05, 2017, 07:58:29 PM »
It's an easy job, the plugs aren't hardened. The new plugs can be made from aluminium and pressed in. Never tried steam, but I don't know if I wanted water in my big end bearings  ;) as you mentioned. Next to solvents, patience is mandatory, but mechanical removing is always to prefer....

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 14C Carb upgrade Kit
« on: December 05, 2017, 05:26:34 PM »
Since these are the first vacuum carbs on a production bike ever, Honda was experimenting with the vacuum, using an air bleed jet. Only on the early carbs, btw. The later 14C's have a fixed air bleed jet.

Here a view pictures to show the differences, the first picture shows the later version (press fit), the two lower pictures show the older version with a bleed jet one could change for another (threaded).

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 1969 CL450 Restoration
« on: December 05, 2017, 05:14:04 PM »
Sludge trap is also at the 5-speed crank, there's not much difference. I would only let them bore out the plugs and let them clean the oil ways, the rest only when necccary, but also depends what your plans for the bike are. The 5 speed cranks are difficult to press together straight, so if not necessary don't go for it.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: The Dutch 450
« on: December 04, 2017, 09:55:27 PM »
Hi Nigel,

Working through your comments, I stumbled upon this sentence : "It's not a surprise that it took 7000miles before he thought the rings were sealing".
What do you exactly mean by "thought" ? I measured the that the maximum compression was reached at this point (and a leak down test gave the lowest leakage at this point), and I suspected that this was due to the seating of the rings. The leak down tests also show that this is the case.

I have to say that your comments are precise and well build up arguments, I was hoping for this kind of quality of comments at the Hondatwins site, but unfortunately just a few comments were worth the effort. Writing a thread like that should give the writer energy, unfortunately, it started to cost energy, not giving it. Another reason I did quit, is that I got a few not so nice private messages regarding this and other threads I started.

btw, I did not quit the tests for the general comments, I found that not many people where really reading it, so I stopped writing in depth details about the process.

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Anorak's Corner / Re: What's your brew, as in life trade
« on: December 04, 2017, 09:02:44 PM »
Hi,

Just a member for a few days now, stumbling on this thread....

After high school, I assigned to the "Leidsche Instrumentmakers School", a school for precision technology (don't know the English word for it), afterwords I studies Physics and specialised in Photonics and Machine Vision.

When finished school, I found out that the society didn't need highly educated technicians (this was around the 90's, can you believe it ?), so I was jobless. After a while, I met the director of my high school, and he said me that I didn't have to be ashamed not having a job, because the Royal family never worked for their sustenance, according to him ;D. He also explained that the job market is some sort of sea, with a wave of jobs every 5-6 years or so.

Anyway, I bought a bike (XT500) from the money I earned, working in an Irish Pub during my study, and went to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) to drink a cup of tea. After flying back to the Netherlands everything was changed on the job market, a new wave came in. I applied at a small company, and was taken, my fist job was a fact (I'm still grateful for the words of wisdom from my director). I worked for 17 years as a machine vision application engineer at this company, until the company decided to focus on producing instead of research, so I quit the job. In that time I worked at different projects around the world as a machine vision architect, in the UK as well, mainly for the beer and beverage industry, tobacco industry and food industry.

I took a year for doing nothing else than working on bikes, but that wasn't satisfying enough, so I applied for a job at a big Japanese company,and got a job as a Product Engineer Machine Vision, and that's still the job I have. I like my job, but couldn't do it without wrenching on bikes and riding them. I need to work with my hands, as a counterweight for my job. Last month I had my 50th birthday, so I'm an old geezer, as they say.

My plans are to step down a bit, trying to work no more then 50-60 hours a week, but that's hard, because there are too many projects, and not enough experienced people in this specialism at the moment. Because high end Machine vision becomes more and more available due to pricing, more and more company's are integrating a machine vision system in their machines. Especially in combination with robotics, the markets are booming.

But luckily I can take the classic bikes regularly to my costumers, so riding the bikes is covered.....

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: The (Original) Black Bomber thread
« on: December 04, 2017, 08:05:05 PM »
It seems to be a K1, looking at the engine...

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 14C Carb upgrade Kit
« on: December 04, 2017, 07:55:28 PM »
Hi Nigel,

One gear only (4th), just rolling the throttle open. The mixture issue you see is due to opening the throttle a little too quick, which explains the lean mixture. If you look at the trace of the CB450 this effect is much smaller, because the CB450 has vacuum carbs.

This is just an impression of a run, unfortunately, I don't have a video of the CB400F, the link will lead you to a flickr video, I don't know how to implement this smoother.....

https://ci-27594733506.http.atlas.cdn.yimg.com/flickr5/40215250@N04/27594733506/27594733506_360p.mp4?dt=flickr&x=1512417878&m=video%2Fmp4&fn=27594733506_360p&bt=0&a=flickr&d=cp_d%3Dwww.flickr.com%26cp_t%3Ds%26cp%3D792600246%26mid%3D27594733506%26ufn%3D27594733506_360p&s=aa6a5c0262c66484d1c8c2dbb75f9bdd

Just before the riding season starts, I run the CB450 on a dyno, because the original 14C carbs are difficult to adjust. The dual cable setup is due the issue's with these carbs, and the tolerances between the vacuum piston and it's cylinder.

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 1969 CL450 Restoration
« on: December 04, 2017, 06:11:10 PM »
The reason is that the inner crank wall oil guide has a larger diameter then the spinner filter.

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The centrifugal force on a floating particle is depending on the circular speed of the filter and the weight of the particle and the distance of the particle from the center.

Fc= m*w2*r

Fc is the centrifugal force
m is the mass of the floating particle
w is the circular speed
r is the radius or distance from particle toward the centre

Since every other variable in this formula is the same (w and m), the Fc working on a given particle will be higher because of the larger diameter, which is the r in the formula above. So, if any particle is not caught by the spinner filter it will be caught by the crank walls due to this effect.

Since the oil is pushed from the crank walls into the oilway's to the big-ends, the particles will block this oil way slowly. By removing the plugs, you are able to clean the oil ways. The crank walls can be cleaned from the out-side.

In the picture below, I flush the oil ways with very aggressive fluids for weeks, but getting the plugs out is the best solution. The nasty stuff in the bottle is what's came out my CB450 K0 crankshaft, having just 1500 miles on the odo (and nothing on the bike says that this isn't the real mileage).

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 1969 CL450 Restoration
« on: December 04, 2017, 05:07:41 PM »
Hi,

Nice build !

One word of advice regarding the crank of these bikes.

Please do yourself a favour and bring the crank to a specialist and ask him / her to remove the left and right oil way plugs, clean the oil ways behind the plugs, and put new ones in.
This is well worth the money, because good cranks are very hard to find. I can explain why you should do this, but that takes a while, but if you want me to explain, I will.

Jensen

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 14C Carb upgrade Kit
« on: December 04, 2017, 03:04:20 PM »
Hi Nigel,

Yes, torque is flat and reaches it's (first) maximum around 2700 rpm second maximum around 7500 rpm, this is a run of my CB400F for comparison

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From standstill, the CB450 is much faster at the CB400F, the CB400F get's better while the RPM increases, and the top speed is a little higher, but then the CB450 is already out of sight.....

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: 14C Carb upgrade Kit
« on: December 03, 2017, 12:14:52 PM »
Nice find ! Are you installing the kit ?

For others I attached a dynorun of the 14C carbs (unmodified) which shows clearly the flat spot @ 4000 rpm.....which is actually somewhere between 3000 and 4000 rpm (to be precise @ 3500 rpm..), but's that's maybe bike specific.

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New Member Introductions / Re: another new member from the Netherlands
« on: December 03, 2017, 12:05:50 PM »
Hi Menno,

No, this is an older picture, still having the bad tank on it. Here the tank had already issue's, but were repairable until last year.
The tank I bough from you matches the bike colour near perfect, and is a one to one substitute to the bike.

Next riding season I will make new pictures, with the tank I bought from you, and place them on this website.

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It's rapidly turning into the Dutch version.

Sorry to hear, but I guess it's because in The Netherlands people are not serious about these bikes anymore.

Jensen

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The Black Bomber Board / Re: The Dutch 450
« on: December 03, 2017, 12:01:41 PM »
Yes Nigel,

I agree, how could I not. I have dismantled many 450 engines the past decade, and all have more or less the same issue's. Looking at the damage, anyone can tell, even with an untrained eye, that lubrication is (one of) the culprit(s). However, there are some designer issue's too, particular focussing on the valve train and crank set-up. On top of that, the engine is very sensitive how it's handled.

My goal was to build an engine to spec, use a modern oil to break in the engine, and see what happened while covering miles. The changes I made are not dramatic, but going from the centrifuge oil filter set-up to paper filter set-up was mandatory using a modern detergent oil (no matter if synthetic or not).

Until today my bike is working flawless, no major damage to the cams and other parts. Every year I try to ride as much miles as I can, to make as many test miles as possible (and because I like to ride it).

Every time I adjust the valve clearance (once a year) I measure the clearance with a precision of 0,01 mm to see changes in the valve play. I do see that the left exhaust valve clearance is changing faster then all three others, despite the used oil. But the speed of wearing out is much lower then all the examples I have seen.

I do ride a lot of highway and back roads, using the bike as they did in the past, as a rider, not as some show bike, low revs and short distances. I don't take the bike to classic rides, since the average speed is very low, and high way's are commonly avoided.

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