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Title: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2022, 09:58:42 AM
One push mile, apparently...

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/sa078a-lot-17432-honda-cb400f-400cc?el=17432&pn=1&pp=100
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 08, 2022, 10:32:01 AM
Thanks for posting  :) Just saved all of the photos as an excellent reference on finishes, toolkit etc... like the carb linkages are zinc plated, yellow passivate ..which I always knew to be correct but many people argue was bluish passivate.

Showing some signs of light corrosion on zinc plated parts (spokes, rear torque arm  etc)  and crankcases but looks pretty genuine to me.

Interesting to see what it makes  £10k perhaps?
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2022, 10:40:13 AM
Who knows what it will go for but your estimate of 10K seems pretty close to me. It's a very rare beast indeed.

Yes, the images are a really useful resource - downloaded as well!!!
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 08, 2022, 10:42:28 AM
Couple of observations though .. not sure that front disc looks 'as new' and where is all of the yellow paint on nuts etc?
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2022, 10:58:18 AM
Yes, the disk does look anomalous.

Also:

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I'm not sure is right - I thought where the speedo cable routes through was more "wire like", like this:

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at least it is on my 75 400F - maybe it changed in later versions? I have a repro stay that looks like the one shown.

That said, I have limited knowledge of these machines and as we know, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing  :)

Maybe some bits have been swapped out?

In any case, it still looks very interesting bike...

Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 08, 2022, 11:03:30 AM
The cable guide on earlier UK model (which also had the front number plates on) was different .. it was a 369 part as used on the CB250G5

I created a Dropbox folder with the pics in  :) link below:-

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7n9nal0t7r4as6h/AACQcBaxV06qcxhLIWnekLaoa?dl=0



Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: smoothoperator on January 08, 2022, 11:06:24 AM
Cheers Ash, was just about to download them all, saved me a job.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2022, 11:07:19 AM
>  it was a 369 part as used on the CB250G5

Love this forum - you learn something new every day!
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Orcade-Ian on January 08, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
Engine number at odds with write up info, wiring harness around headstock??  Still a nice thing though but what do you do with it?  Thanks Ash for archiving the pics.

Ian
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 08, 2022, 11:21:36 AM
Engine number at odds with write up info, wiring harness around headstock??  Still a nice thing though but what do you do with it?  Thanks Ash for archiving the pics.

Ian

If it was bought for parts in crate,  then possibly not assembled by a dealer to the exact dealer set-up instructions.

Dropbox link is now included in my Dropbox section   ;)

Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: mickwinf on January 08, 2022, 11:39:40 AM
The problem with this type of unused bike is what do you do with it? if you use it, it becomes just another used bike, but bikes are made to ride. Or it becomes a museum exhibit, useful for restorers for reference but who has £10k for that?
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 08, 2022, 12:12:21 PM
>  it was a 369 part as used on the CB250G5

Love this forum - you learn something new every day!

No worries .. it doesn't appear in some online parts lists including the ones on here but here it is:-

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Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 08, 2022, 01:02:30 PM
I've registered with the auction to bid on it, only because I buy things I don't need , don't want and don't know what to do with in the winter when the weather is shite and I can't get out riding often enough 😊😊😊😊
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2022, 01:03:49 PM
> only because I buy things I don't need , don't want and don't know what to do with

It's the only way  :D
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 08, 2022, 01:05:02 PM
> only because I buy things I don't need , don't want and don't know what to do with

It's the only way  :D
Indeed 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 08, 2022, 01:18:15 PM
But it  would make a lovely clothes horse in the garage though Dear''
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 08, 2022, 01:23:29 PM
But it  would make a lovely clothes horse in the garage though Dear''
I'm thinking of putting a pedal on each end of the crank and using it as an exercise bike 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Laverdaroo on January 08, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
But it  would make a lovely clothes horse in the garage though Dear''
I'm thinking of putting a pedal on each end of the crank and using it as an exercise bike 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mount it in the garden on a big spring like the playground ones the kids fall off. ;D
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Bryanj on January 08, 2022, 04:36:20 PM
only because I buy things I don't need , don't want and don't know what to do with in the winter when the weather is shite

That's no way to talk about trigger Julie!

Hope your both still safe over there
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: 400 Cafe Racer on January 10, 2022, 06:44:08 PM
> only because I buy things I don't need , don't want and don't know what to do with

It's the only way  :D
Indeed 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Hi Julie,

Could you be missing Hettie ?? ;) ;)

Good luck.

Dennis ;D ;D
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 10, 2022, 06:57:56 PM
> only because I buy things I don't need , don't want and don't know what to do with

It's the only way  :D
Indeed 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Hi Julie,

Could you be missing Hettie ?? ;) ;)

Good luck.

Dennis ;D ;D
Of course I'm missing my Hettie Dennis 😢😢😢😢
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 10, 2022, 06:59:07 PM
only because I buy things I don't need , don't want and don't know what to do with in the winter when the weather is shite

That's no way to talk about trigger Julie!

Hope your both still safe over there
Yes thanks Bryan 👍👍👍
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2022, 06:16:25 PM
If you get this (and I really hope you do) will you be performing a teardown like Hettie! Would be a fantastic project on this site if you do...
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 13, 2022, 06:44:42 PM
If you get this (and I really hope you do) will you be performing a teardown like Hettie! Would be a fantastic project on this site if you do...
I'm definitely going to bid on it and I've already decided what my maximum bid will be. If I do end up owning it, I will see it as a project bike. It may, or may not have done only 1 push mile but its been sitting around for not far off 45 years, that to me is a huge negative. So yes, the bike will be totally stripped and rebuilt.
Edit.... This bike was discussed a couple of years ago on Facebook. I can't remember if it was put up for sale back then and if it was I can't remember if it sold or not.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 13, 2022, 06:56:43 PM
Found it.... It sold at Bonhams. September 2018 £7500.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24877/lot/405/
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: paul G on January 14, 2022, 12:24:31 PM
If you get this (and I really hope you do) will you be performing a teardown like Hettie! Would be a fantastic project on this site if you do...
I'm definitely going to bid on it and I've already decided what my maximum bid will be. If I do end up owning it, I will see it as a project bike. It may, or may not have done only 1 push mile but its been sitting around for not far off 45 years, that to me is a huge negative. So yes, the bike will be totally stripped and rebuilt.
Edit.... This bike was discussed a couple of years ago on Facebook. I can't remember if it was put up for sale back then and if it was I can't remember if it sold or not.
Let Graham put a cheeky .99p bid in for you Julie you never know with his luck  ;)
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Sgt.Pinback on January 16, 2022, 05:42:50 PM
That CB400F is a good restoration basis

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/assets/lot_images/xlarge/rec11050-1_24.jpg
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 16, 2022, 06:23:29 PM

Let Graham put a cheeky .99p bid in for you Julie you never know with his luck  ;)
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Graham should be bidding on the 1st UK batch CB750 in the same auction  ;D

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/sa078a-lot-17436-1970-honda-cb750-k0-750cc?el=17436&pn=1&pp=100

They have updated the listing now since I emailed them about all of the errors but still not corrected the engine number !
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 12, 2022, 03:28:07 PM
Well, I did bid on it £4,500 and then I got outbid 😂😂😂😂 which is all is was worth to me, but it went for £14,200 + buyers premium, VAT etc, etc

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Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2022, 03:31:03 PM
Blimey
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Orcade-Ian on February 12, 2022, 03:59:15 PM
So that's £16330 for something that needs work and you can't use!

Ian
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 12, 2022, 04:25:19 PM
To me, this was the star of the show, just stunning.

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Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2022, 04:31:46 PM
Maybe someone thought the same about the 400F and at 16K it seemed like a bargain by comparison
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: sye on February 12, 2022, 04:35:58 PM
The shame of it all is that most of the overpriced bikes will never see tarmac. There seems to be a view that anything with an ICE will be worth a packet in 20 years time.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on February 12, 2022, 04:39:11 PM
Wow ..so that was a good investment for the PO

Anyone know what the 1st batch UK CB750 went for?
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2022, 04:41:05 PM
I've got to say, you've got to ride the buggers. Sure, spend as much as you want but ride the bloody thing. That said, I may have recently broke mine but that's for another post!
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on February 12, 2022, 04:43:37 PM
That NorVin looks like Ogri’s bike.

New owner better have good security. I’d hate to have that guy after me…


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Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 12, 2022, 04:49:04 PM
Wow ..so that was a good investment for the PO

Anyone know what the 1st batch UK CB750 went for?
£17k
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Sesman on February 12, 2022, 04:58:12 PM
Cough, splutter. Replacement beer required.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on February 12, 2022, 06:19:07 PM
Wow ..so that was a good investment for the PO

Anyone know what the 1st batch UK CB750 went for?
£17k


Was that the hammer price Julie? or with fees ? I know the man who restored that bike ..just hoping he's Ok ..lost his contact number.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 12, 2022, 06:23:42 PM
Wow ..so that was a good investment for the PO

Anyone know what the 1st batch UK CB750 went for?
£17k


Was that the hammer price Julie? or with fees ? I know the man who restored that bike ..just hoping he's Ok ..lost his contact number.
Hammer fee Ash.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: JamesH on February 12, 2022, 06:46:18 PM
Wow ..so that was a good investment for the PO

Anyone know what the 1st batch UK CB750 went for?
£17k


Was that the hammer price Julie? or with fees ? I know the man who restored that bike ..just hoping he's Ok ..lost his contact number.
Hammer fee Ash.
So with the buyers fees etc the buyer paid £21,896 for the UK K0..nice.


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Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on February 12, 2022, 07:46:30 PM
Wow ..so that was a good investment for the PO

Anyone know what the 1st batch UK CB750 went for?
£17k


Was that the hammer price Julie? or with fees ? I know the man who restored that bike ..just hoping he's Ok ..lost his contact number.
Hammer fee Ash.
So with the buyers fees etc the buyer paid £21,896 for the UK K0..nice.


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Are those sums correct James ... I am always confused by the fees.

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/london-motorcycle-show-sale/2022-02-12?el=17436&pn=1&pp=100&session_id=1
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: honda-san on February 12, 2022, 07:56:58 PM
17k + 15% = £19550?
Chris R.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Deano400 on February 12, 2022, 08:24:43 PM
I think Chris R’s figure of £19550 is correct. The Silverstone buyers guide states a premium of 12.5%+VAT.

12.5% of £17000 is £2125

VAT @ 20% on £2125 is £425

£17000 + £2125 + £425 = £19550

However I stand to be corrected. It's my interpretation of the wording in their buyers guide.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: AshimotoK0 on February 12, 2022, 08:33:07 PM
Maybe auction house price is inclusive of fees but not VAT .
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: JamesH on February 12, 2022, 09:40:02 PM
You are all correct and I’m a numpty. Combination of beer drinking and not reading the figures properly lol..this week I’ve been mainly doing this…

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Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Deano400 on February 12, 2022, 09:48:00 PM
Good for you James. The figures don't matter, enjoying yourself does.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on February 12, 2022, 10:29:05 PM
You are all correct and I’m a numpty. Combination of beer drinking and not reading the figures properly lol..this week I’ve been mainly doing this…

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Is that the French Alps James? What's the snow like?

Grimbergen is my favourite tipple. Have a few for me!!!
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Laverda Dave on February 13, 2022, 10:46:43 AM
You are all correct and I’m a numpty. Combination of beer drinking and not reading the figures properly lol..this week I’ve been mainly doing this…

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Whilst it looks fantastic it's obvious to everyone you would rather be in a cold shed restoring a police Honda😉

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Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Oddjob on February 13, 2022, 11:09:06 AM
Have you tried the Grimbergen rouge James, if so what’s it like, always wondered.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on February 13, 2022, 11:53:22 AM
Have you tried the Grimbergen rouge James, if so what’s it like, always wondered.

I have but prefer the standard brew. A bit sweet from memory but everybody's pallet different!!
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on February 13, 2022, 12:39:34 PM
Images of various types of pallet are now revolving in my head…


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Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Bryanj on February 13, 2022, 12:56:28 PM
Wooden,pastic,euro?
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on February 13, 2022, 01:09:35 PM
Oooooopppps. Can't use the usual spell predict excuse, simply poor education!
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Sesman on February 13, 2022, 01:09:51 PM
‘Wheat’ and ‘beer’. I really don’t like it.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Oddjob on February 13, 2022, 02:41:29 PM
It will be a Euro pallet surely Bryan, Grimbergen is Belgium beer.
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Bryanj on February 13, 2022, 03:04:23 PM
So is Stella and that's brewed in Wales and Salmesbury
Title: Re: Brand New 400F?
Post by: Seabeowner on February 14, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
Wow that was sky high. You would be to afraid to use it and it's actually not that pretty close up to look at like a restoration. My 500 with 4500 miles looks better preserved than that.
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