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Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: AndyD on April 20, 2022, 11:52:01 AM
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Hi,
Having the garage over-filled with bikes and projects, obvious thing is to consider buying an equally unreliable old car for a laugh.
No real reason as I have never really been very interested in cars but am considering a Triumph Stag for a bit of summer bimbling.
Anyone have any words of wisdom or warning before I begin my novice journey as a salesman's dream buyer.
Cheers,
Andy
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Always prone to cooling issues,
A lot converted with Rover V8 motors,
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My only word of warning is try before you buy the driving position is really odd with your feet straight out so your heels are on the floor with a high centre transmission tunnel- they were not well loved when they were new due to overheating / headgasket problems plus the bodywork has the dreaded standard period rot of the era. There are a lot out there with well hidden serious structual rust.
If you want V8 grunt I would go for an MGB or even a SL depends on your budget. Many Stags had the Triumph V8 engine replaced with the Rover V8 a much stronger engine but not for the purists.
If it's hood down summer thrills the Mazda MX 5 is a great starting point. Sorry if it's a bit negative but I was in the trade when they were new & a hard to shift used vehicle - they look great and folk bought them on looks only to be disappointed during ownership.
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I quite like them, but appreciate the reputation they carry for engine cooling.
Actually a good design of engine needlessly compromised by owners running them with no antifreeze or coolant system corrosion inhibiting content.
They use a fine core radiator that easily clogs with silt from galvanic corrosion which then compromised the cooling capacity. It's very simple really and should never have happened if looked after properly.
Differential uses a crushable "fibre" spacer to set tolerance and can be vulnerable if not correctly assembled. Throttle on to throttle off on overrun gives a noisy diff during overun if not built correctly. Ok if set properly, but something to check for.
If test driven, get the owner to boot it about a bit, then stand it running and stationery after the run for a time to assess if coolant is at least capable. Talk to them about how the cooling system has been maintained to see if they know anything realistic about it.
Nice car to rumble about in though, and should hold value for you if decent condition.
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As Ted says, definitely try before you commit - I've only driven one with the correct engine and two with Rover V8s - an impressive package but nothing like a modern car and you have to keep on top of maintenance - 50 year old technology. There is a good owners club and you might be better off attending a show or two and talking to them - they might even know of a good one or accompany you to a viewing.
We had an MG RV8 for a while which was best described as a parts bin 'agricultural' muscle car - you needed muscle with no power steering! At a show with the RV8 we were introduced to MX-5s - how did I ignore those cars until I was 70? For top down fun, they take some beating and our NB Icon was bought for just over a tenth of the value of the MG. Yes, they too rust for fun but there are still some fine examples to be had.
Ian
Some bits of info on my web site if you get bored.
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Last i heard there was a firm doing lots of Stag bits including better rads and pumps, if upgraded AND looked after can be a decent motor, if not an utter nightmare
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Rather like a TR6 meself. Bit shorter but sportier looking and had a great sound track. Edd China (the only man allergic to copper grease on old bolts) and his Gimp, (the fat bloke whos face annoys me) did one on Wheeler Bodgers which I thought was lovely.
My brother got dropped off at the church in a 'T' bar white Trumpet Stag V8 when it arrived it droppoed its guts right in front of the church when they pulled when it over heated..... Briliant;D
Told him not to bother ;D
My mates Dad picked him and his new 'Doris' up after the service in a white Ford Galaxy rag top.........It was about 30' long and had to do a 6 point turn in the car park. Epic ;D ;D :-X;D a right circus! ;D
MX5's are a right hoot to drive, proper little fun car that really handles with the right tyres on, they're not bad out of the box either. Had a scruffy one one year for a bit of fun in the summer, it was brilliant, we went everywhere in it with absolutely no issues at all. Good shout Ted, and they're cheap too which plays to my superior genetic, Northern tendancies! ;)
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Lovely cars Stags. All the issues are now sorted, you can buy a bigger rad that will fit straight in to cure the overheating. I think Tony Hart does a lot of uprated parts for them so no problems there either.
They are a lot better than a Spitfire (I've had four of those) although they don't have the ultimate style of a TR4 or 5 but they are a lot cheaper and they are genuine four seaters unlike a TR.
Jeremy Clarkson did a review of them a good few years ago on Top Gear, here's a link:
https://youtu.be/TGJty_Rdp1U
Like a lot of others we had a MX5 (Mk 3) great, great cars, I would have another tomorrow if the wife hadn't suffered a slipped disc so unable to drive one now.
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if i had the room, i would have a scimitar gtc. soft/hard top, no rust, v6 power. i had a couple years ago, se5a and se6.
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Screw that, buy a car, buy a Mazda.
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if i had the room, i would have a scimitar gtc. soft/hard top, no rust, v6 power. i had a couple years ago, se5a and se6.
The glass fibre bodywork does not stop the chassis from rotting though - my mate had an early straight six engined Scimitar Coupe went like stink but ate axles suspension & gearboxes back in the day. Very quick in the 1960's an underated classic.
There is always the TVR 350i wedge shape.
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Thanks everyone,
Great to hear what people think - having never been into classic cars it's a strange new world but sounds like a bit of fun!.
Had a look at a Stag today and a decent drive out - quite good fun but not as impressed as I'd hoped and having some doubts about a soft-top as even the owner was saying he's nervous parking up anywhere public.
So might scrap that idea!
Did think about a slightly less old classic convertible but think I'd then just as well get a much newer car with full electric gadgetry and comfort and forget the classic bit!
Next on the list I do quite fancy is a Capri 2.8i - again no reason or history with them but just like the look of them and maybe more 'useable' for a bit of fun.
Will see if I can find one to try out over the next few days while in the mood for reckless spending!
Cheers,
Andy
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"Next on the list I do quite fancy is a Capri 2.8i - again no reason or history with them but just like the look of them and maybe more 'useable' for a bit of fun.
Will see if I can find one to try out over the next few days while in the mood for reckless spending!"
They're well serious money if you've not appraised them yet :o friends brother had a few when contemporary and wanted another but prices can be eye watering. Most interesting old Ford have gone seriously nuts.
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You can buy a solid Merc R129 with electric roof and a lot of gismos as standard. More a Grand Tourer than a Sports Car but a lot of engine options. Still rate the MX5 or if you can find a good one the Honda S 2000.
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Just thinking the same Ted, the Honda S2000 is a pretty neat sports car.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13264966
:)
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I was looking for an MGB or Stag last year, to make good on a promise made to my wife when we married in 1979 to "buy her a sports car one day."
I worked on both the MGB and Stag during the 1970's as an Apprentice, before joining Jaguar Cars. Remembering the "good old days" weren't really so good where cars are concerned, I bought her a Mercedes SLK.
We've put around 4,000 miles on the car since and, having never really been over interested in owning a sports car, it really is very pleasant and quite impressive to drive. In addition, it has a 15.5 gallon fuel tank and achieves some 48 mpg as driven by us, so in today's troubled times with fuel shortages, will travel a very long way between fuel stops!
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If you are thinking of a bit later car, have you considered a Porsche 944 (convertable/coupe) - galvanised body (although still rot due to age) - I had a Guards Red Turbo SE (250 BHP 2.5 litre Turbo'ed straight FOUR) - very rapid, reliable and handle fantastic (a Jeremy Clarkson favorite I believe). Engine was half a V8 928 so over engineered. Various engines, spares availability good and range of prices depending on model.