Post by: JamesH on January 28, 2018, 02:51:58 PM
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Post by: JamesH on January 28, 2018, 05:36:17 PM
I wonder if that's an original front guardLooks like the guard has changed, front m/c isn’t the prototype, exhausts are changed. But I guess the bones are there..
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Wonder what it’s going to fetch? £££££
Post by: UK Pete on January 28, 2018, 05:38:19 PM
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Post by: MrDavo on January 28, 2018, 05:42:41 PM
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I wonder if that's an original front guard
I doubt it, I saved all the photos of the blue one when Vic World eBayed it, it's definitely double cut, it had a smaller master cylinder too. The same slightly odd cam cover (standard gaskets don't fit), black striped trim and grey horn though.
Is this the one that disappeared, or the one that Ash knew about but wasn't at liberty to say who or where?
I've never been to the NMM, been past it loads of times, and it's burned down and been rebuilt since I first wanted to go - I may just turn up on 4th March just to see it. Hands firmly in pockets though, I'd have to sell the house first and live in a tent before I could bid. I'd only need a single man tent though as the wife would be long gone.
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You bidding James ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: BigAl (Alan) on January 28, 2018, 06:33:02 PM
I remember the Candy Blue/Green being sold on eBay 2014 for $148,000.00...images/detail where stunning!
Post by: MrDavo on January 28, 2018, 06:45:48 PM
I notice it has the original non production pointy indicator lenses still, VW's Candy blue green one had lost those. Easier to replace the mudguard (buy James' chopper!) and shocks than ever source a set of those, I'm guessing.
This page on the prototypes from the sandcast site has comments from Chris regarding the master cylinder and more information: http://cb750sandcastonly.com/latepreproduction01.htm
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Look at the carbs and airbox detail.
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 28, 2018, 07:46:09 PM
Honda often raided existing parts bins, and that bike was no exception ;DMost vehicle manufactures have always done this and it still happens on a regular basis today. Land Rover are / were no exception. They used to have a 1/2 model year, ie 2011 1/2, where any bits found in a cupboard were used up during the build, regardless of which Marque / Model the parts came from originally, if it fitted, they used it.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 28, 2018, 07:51:35 PM
Those "impossible to source" pointy indicator lenses, how many do you want, and how much will you pay for them??? Truth is, they are what was fitted to millions of Honda C57/70/90 step thru/ chicken chasers from 1965ish through to 1982! Honda often raided existing parts bins, and that bike was no exception ;D
Those Honda 50 indicator lens and oval rear lamp were fitted to comply with UK regs when prepped for sale to Lord Denbigh for UK road use. he also requested the flat bars to be fitted and that's how Chris came by the M/Cyl... the guy at Honda who prepped the bike, kept the old M/Cyl in his garage for yonks.
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Post by: Nurse Julie on January 28, 2018, 08:03:33 PM
Yes, taxi for Mr World indeed.That's a good write up in the link you posted Dave. Tells us all the important things.
I notice it has the original non production pointy indicator lenses still, VW's Candy blue green one had lost those. Easier to replace the mudguard (buy James' chopper!) and shocks than ever source a set of those, I'm guessing.
This page on the prototypes from the sandcast site has comments from Chris regarding the master cylinder and more information: http://cb750sandcastonly.com/latepreproduction01.htm
Post by: MrDavo on January 28, 2018, 08:10:18 PM
Well I live and learn about the indicators.
Whether the bike gets bought by V World, D Silver (now that could be an interesting bidding battle to watch) or anyone else, its going to be someone with deep pockets.
As there was no existing Honda (or anything else AFAIK) with a disk brake (so noone going to pop up and say its an ordinary production part off a Honda Cxxxx), I reckon Chris could name his price for that master cylinder, they're not going to find one anywhere else.
Mind you after my faux pas with the indicators, cue someone posting a copy of the 1969 AP Lockheed Racing catalogue or similar. :)
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That's a good write up in the link you posted Dave. Tells us all the important things.
I also found this, about the very genesis of the CB750:
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/blogs/making-honda-cb750-king-motorcycles
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Post by: Seabeowner on January 28, 2018, 09:09:06 PM
Its marked as a lowish £35k to £40k. John Lennon's bike might make that.
Post by: JamesH on January 28, 2018, 09:24:49 PM
Surprised the sandcast boys haven't picked upon it yet ...go on James spill the beans on there ... ;D ;DYou go for it Ash...!
Post by: steff750 on January 28, 2018, 09:48:15 PM
vic world is well aware of this bike and told me he has seen it in the flesh he remarked on a lot of hand made parts like the footrests if the interest in this bike goes virral like i think it will ,Im sure it will go for a princely sum and go abroad as others have said i would like to see it kept in U.K. but i cant see that happening
R.I.P
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 28, 2018, 10:14:01 PM
Surprised the sandcast boys haven't picked upon it yet ...go on James spill the beans on there ... ;D ;DYou go for it Ash...!
Did it but credited to you J ;)
Post by: MrDavo on January 28, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
One day I'll find the green one in the local classifieds, cheap as a non runner.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 28, 2018, 10:35:18 PM
Grr! Now I'll never get it for £35k. :'(
I believe DS was onto it months ago Dave ;) You can bet your life any Honda's up for grabs he's on to and this guy had 200.
Post by: MrDavo on January 28, 2018, 11:01:53 PM
I might even put the starting bid in, what do you think, £500 as it needs some work? Then I can say I was once in the running for it :)
There's a few interesting bikes, that Guzzi's nice, and is that the Henry Cole Phil Read Replica, or another one?
I'm guessing you also get the chance to see round the museum, if you buy a ticket, probably. Maybe they'll bid, though this particular bike didn't do the UK industry any favours (though they managed to f*%k that up for themselves).
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Post by: BigAl (Alan) on January 29, 2018, 12:27:10 PM
Interesting to see what the reserve will be?Tried to find the large number of images from the ebay sale. The only one that I have found is at www.wired.com author Damon Lavrinc in 2014. I'm sure that Vic World has them tucked away somewhere?
I remember the Candy Blue/Green being sold on eBay 2014 for $148,000.00...images/detail where stunning!
Post by: MrDavo on January 29, 2018, 12:42:08 PM
Many of the same photos of the blue one in this article, including the carbs and billet crankshaft. I see what you mean about the seat Ash, it is different.
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/news/honda-cb750-sandcast-prototype
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please don't stone me but what's AFAIK stand for?
As far as I know it stands for As Far As I Know :) We are so down with the kids on here. 8)
Post by: AshimotoK0 on January 29, 2018, 12:52:53 PM
Grab em quick !
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Post by: royhall on January 29, 2018, 03:59:52 PM
Mr Davo, many thanks, I thought that it was something that I needed to know. I still text in English. My son despairs!Glad you asked that I was wondering as well. Just waiting for someone else to look a pillock.
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:-X
Post by: MrDavo on January 29, 2018, 05:45:11 PM
A classic car nut, and recently spectacularly unpoor after an inheritance, he is currently considering buying another terraced house as a safe and boring investment (he has already viewed, and bottled out of buying at the last minute, a couple of classic Ferraris), and wouldn't mind another motorbike, having been a biker years ago.
I tried my best to convince him this was a once in a lifetime investment opportunity, that I could help him restore correctly, but he wouldn't bite. However deep his treasure chest, I get the impression that a Mr V World could still easily outbid him, and from what Ash says about how he sensibly values sandcasts, Mr Silver may have more sense if things get too mental. Then there's always the mystery telephone bidder......
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Think that may be Roger Etcell’s workshop ash?
That would make sense ..you would have thought they would have fitted a set of Yamiyas Lotus Root pipes ... they had stocks last time I looked.
Post by: AshimotoK0 on February 01, 2018, 09:04:23 AM
The sandcast boys are getting hot under the collar that the bike is being 'tarted' up to fool people and they are saying it's no way like the originality of the blue/green one Vic World sold. Interesting !! I believe that bike was part of a swap deal once for the press bike YLY 70H . Cant be sure though.
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Post by: UK Pete on February 01, 2018, 09:06:02 AM
Fingers in many pies🤣🤣🤣
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Post by: JamesH on February 01, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
James .. what made you think it's Roger E's place not DS's ? An awful lot of NOS stuff lying about. And DS has been selling seats on eBay recently ... there's quite a few seats lying around.Was purely a hunch Ash. I seem to remember DSS using Roger for his ‘rarer’ restoration work - could be completely wrong and a case of 2+2=5. We need Mick’s ‘slueth’ skills really
The sandcast boys are getting hot under the collar that the bike is being 'tarted' up to fool people and they are saying it's no way like the originality of the blue/green one Vic World sold. Interesting !! I believe that bike was part of a swap deal once for the press bike YLY 70H . Cant be sure though.
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Post by: kettle738 on February 01, 2018, 02:02:12 PM
I think the sleuthing has already been done......the quantity of NOS early parts speaks volumes; however, I would be very surprised if DSS stored vulnerable parts like that on open shelving, it doesn't look organised and it doesn't look very safe.
The bike itself looks a bit of a mixture of old and new, but it's fascinating just to get a look at it as the only previous images have been from way back when.
I hope they scoured the place where it was stored for parts and got everything there was.
It does look like it's had a knock at some stage given the damage to the tank and the non painted tinware at the front end.
What a great bike to get involved with though, real once in a lifetime stuff.
Mick.
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Post by: JamesH on February 01, 2018, 03:19:18 PM
I know the back of that head in the photo, looks mighty familiar to me!!!If that’s one of my motors, tell him to slow down
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Post by: Nurse Julie on February 01, 2018, 03:41:22 PM
OK James, don't panic, I will hide his spanners :'( :'( :'(I know the back of that head in the photo, looks mighty familiar to me!!!If that’s one of my motors, tell him to slow down
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Post by: Nurse Julie on February 01, 2018, 03:50:08 PM
You're OK James, it's not one of yours :o :oOK James, don't panic, I will hide his spanners :'( :'( :'(I know the back of that head in the photo, looks mighty familiar to me!!!If that’s one of my motors, tell him to slow down
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Post by: hairygit on February 01, 2018, 04:26:34 PM
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Post by: Trigger on February 01, 2018, 05:33:08 PM
Oddly enough, I'm not really too enthused about this bike, the amount of bits being changed on it kind of reduces it's true value historically to me. It's a bit like Trigger's broom, (the one from only fools and horses, not our Trig) had 15 new handles and 17 new heads, but to him was the same broom he started with years before!
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You leave my NOS broom out of it, it is a good original example for any road sweeper ;D ;D
Post by: MrDavo on February 01, 2018, 07:15:31 PM
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Oddly enough, I'm not really too enthused about this bike, the amount of bits being changed on it kind of reduces it's true value historically to me. It's a bit like Trigger's broom, (the one from only fools and horses, not our Trig)yes trigger's broom has a lot to answer for lol.
as with all restored bikes where does it start and where does it end.
i bought a mint condition cb750 in 1990's completely made up of nos parts except frame and engine and they was resprayed and rebuilt i put 3000 miles on this bike before i decided to put it away for prosperity.since then i have added a brand new exhaust system a nos tank i scratched the old one replaced the wrong front mudguard with a new wrong one (i could have bought a correct copy from vietnam but decicded to stick with honda parts)only last year i replaced the chain guard with the correct short one .so do i have a new bike or still the old broom your guess is as good as mine lol
i was in stafford a few years ago now and a unrestored brough ss100 sold for £157,000 and i think this has been the trend for quite a few years now ,although im a firm believer that all that glitters is gold
so i wouldnt expect this bike as rare as it is , to be as valuable as vic worlds prototype , i think its been sold at the wrong market place USA has always been the big market ;) so its the same old broom to me aswell trigg
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Post by: AshimotoK0 on February 10, 2018, 06:31:05 PM
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https://online.handh.co.uk/m/view-auctions/live-sale/id/83/
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I guess you’d have to be there.
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Post by: Johnwebley on March 04, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
monkey bike for mege price
and a 750 for £140K
Post by: Green1 on March 04, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
James at the very last second
You all beat me to it I think I passed out before posting :o
Post by: MrDavo on March 04, 2018, 03:11:21 PM
£140,000
James at the very last second
You all beat me to it I think I passed out before posting :o
What James bought it?
Some arguing the toss, but a new bid came in as the hammer went down.
The blue one was 4 years ago, but £120k in our money.
Post by: JamesH on March 04, 2018, 03:13:12 PM
Post by: Green1 on March 04, 2018, 03:13:34 PM
Just think off all the 250u's you could have bought with that.
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Post by: AshimotoK0 on March 04, 2018, 03:35:01 PM
I’m happy with my K0 stash thanks Mick...
I agree James that was silly money for a bike with quite a few key parts missing compared with the blue one. Chris told me that Dave meticulously restored the engine though, refitting parts that were within their service limit and it still has the billet crank etc.
BTW we were both wrong about the workshop shots of it ..not DS and not RogerE workshops ;)
Post by: JamesH on March 04, 2018, 03:47:25 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on March 04, 2018, 03:58:31 PM
Ash - you should drop Roger Etcell an email and see if you can get the contact details for the winning bidder. I’m sure they would love to buy the carbs.
No Rush ..still got a really,really faint lead on the other pair ! Just wish Chris had won it he was Dave's friend for the past 30 years.
Post by: Laverda Dave on March 04, 2018, 04:16:29 PM
All the bikes appear to be reaching well over estimate. The CBX sold for 13,250 after some last second bidding. Nice history to go with it.
Post by: JamesH on March 04, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
Conversely it’s nice that the owners family have benefited from his collecting over the years..Ash - you should drop Roger Etcell an email and see if you can get the contact details for the winning bidder. I’m sure they would love to buy the carbs.
No Rush ..still got a really,really faint lead on the other pair ! Just wish Chris had won it he was Dave's friend for the past 30 years.
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Post by: Nurse Julie on March 04, 2018, 05:05:34 PM
Did the obligatory small dog to go with the bag sell as a separate lot Julie?Most probably ::) ::) ::)
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on March 04, 2018, 05:22:09 PM
A motorbike is worth bugger-all as scrap once the buyers have vanished (or died out…)
Don’t forget the the sellers premium (20%?) plus VAT.
That 140k is really at least 200k
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Post by: Seabeowner on March 04, 2018, 05:56:09 PM
Motorcycles
12.5% to the Buyer, 10% to the Seller (minimum £50 to both parties)
So does this mean that it is that £140k +12.5% + VAT (of £17.5k)
And the seller only gets £126k ??
Post by: AshimotoK0 on March 04, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
The auction has just finished, 5 hours of my Sunday spent in front of a laptop :o, great to watch though, thanks for the link Ash :)
No worries ..about 1:30pm my missus announced I had to drive her in the van to return some play props she borrowed before 3pm...I wasn't best pleased. Missed the sale of the CB350K0 but got back just in time for 750pp .missed the 750K2 though.
My mate Chris was at the auction so when I hear fromhim he may know who was bidding .. One suggestion was George Beale who's now a director at H&H
https://www.handh.co.uk/news-videos/britains-mr-motorcycle-george-beale-appointed-director-of-hh/
Amazed at the scabby finish of the pp 750 auction ... same thing happened at the Bonhams sale of the UK press CB750 YLY70H.. I still don't know what happened to that one. Sold but not sold at that auction !
UPDATE ... word on the street is that Brighton bike was won by someone based in the UK
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UPDATE ... word on the street is that Brighton bike was won by someone based in the UK
;) lol i hope you are right it would be nice if it was .it should be a national treasure. if only just to show the britts where they went wrong
im surprised that it did not go back to Honda.anyway lets hope we see it in its former glory some day soon
Post by: Johnwebley on March 04, 2018, 07:16:10 PM
I think the 350 K0 only went for £2300
it did look tidy
plus premium etc
Post by: royhall on March 05, 2018, 06:54:30 AM
Post by: MrDavo on March 05, 2018, 09:43:04 AM
No bike (or handbag!) is 'worth' £140k+, but if lots of people want it and the supply available = one unit, ever, then it goes to the person with the deepest pockets.
Due to the horrendous weather I didn't go to the auction, and watched it live with you guys, but whoever bought it, I hope to get to see it 'in the flesh' sometime.
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Post by: AshimotoK0 on March 05, 2018, 10:44:51 AM
Missed off the confusion at the end though .. shame .. bet words were said after that finished !
Post by: Laverda Dave on March 05, 2018, 11:05:39 AM
The auction didn't have the intensity of a Fast & Loud Gas Monkey auction either 8)
Post by: Johnwebley on March 05, 2018, 11:10:56 AM
Interesting to see bidding stalled a bit at £65k, someone probably thought they had a bargain for a while!
The auction didn't have the intensity of a Fast & Loud Gas Monkey auction either 8)
I say old boy,(and girls) it was a british auction !!!
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on March 05, 2018, 03:35:21 PM
Interesting to see bidding stalled a bit at £65k, someone probably thought they had a bargain for a while!BOOM! ;D
The auction didn't have the intensity of a Fast & Loud Gas Monkey auction either 8)
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Post by: steff750 on March 06, 2018, 09:02:55 PM
we know loads on here that collect cb750's lol i got six and it aint one of mine .
Post by: AshimotoK0 on March 07, 2018, 09:21:40 AM
;) awe cmon ash we need a bit more than that to go on :-X
we know loads on here that collect cb750's lol i got six and it aint one of mine .
Sorry Steff I honestly don't know, he wasn't known to any of the big players in CB750's who were there , Mr. Wyatt, Freddie, ChrisR, DS etc etc. You can picture the poor bugger who initially 'won' it on the phone/internet .. The hammer comes down..it's yours..you are hollering around the room feeling pleased with yourself after all of that stress, then go back and see that the auction re-started and someone in the room bagged it. Perhaps I should just put those carbs in a glass display case in my living room. ;D
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Post by: MrDavo on March 07, 2018, 10:11:50 AM
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Perhaps I should just put those carbs in a glass display case in my living room. ;D
Unless you can sell them to the new owner of the prototype for appropriately silly money (he obviously has very deep pockets, or did till last Sunday) that's what I'd do - your own (almost) unique bit of Honda history and it didn't cost you £160k!
Post by: kettle738 on March 07, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
Did they really drop the hammer then re-start the bidding?
Post by: JamesH on March 07, 2018, 08:49:10 PM
I watched and drew exactly the same conclusion Mick. It Looked like the auctioneer accidently dropped the hammer as he ’hammered’ the last bid. Not exactly professional eh.??
Did they really drop the hammer then re-start the bidding?
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Post by: Rozabikes Tim on March 08, 2018, 09:33:25 PM
https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/mc-auctions/pre-production-honda-cb750-zb0z1803zhur?newsletter=1&spot=cta&utm_source=wcemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MCC%2520eNews%252003.08.18&utm_term=MCC_eNews&_wcsid=F4AD5D621BF579733C88832E05382265917CC647DECFBC9F
Post by: royhall on March 09, 2018, 05:30:32 PM
Found this. Sums things up to the interested but ignorant types like me. ;DBlimey whats Richard Langley's problem. Appears to have a thing about sucking out headlights? ;D
https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/mc-auctions/pre-production-honda-cb750-zb0z1803zhur?newsletter=1&spot=cta&utm_source=wcemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MCC%2520eNews%252003.08.18&utm_term=MCC_eNews&_wcsid=F4AD5D621BF579733C88832E05382265917CC647DECFBC9F (https://www.motorcycleclassics.com/mc-auctions/pre-production-honda-cb750-zb0z1803zhur?newsletter=1&spot=cta&utm_source=wcemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MCC%2520eNews%252003.08.18&utm_term=MCC_eNews&_wcsid=F4AD5D621BF579733C88832E05382265917CC647DECFBC9F)
Post by: JamesH on March 09, 2018, 06:13:55 PM
Maybe that's his problem?
Post by: MCTID on March 09, 2018, 08:00:45 PM
They turn up at events wearing 'elite' Insignia and Medals that they never earned..........and tell tall tales and fantastic fibs.........
Post by: Green1 on March 09, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
Any ground breaking bike is worthy of the title
Post by: kevski on March 10, 2018, 07:57:54 AM
Why do all Kawasaki owners think they were the first superbike? Just because they were faster.Well i don't, and i own one, the CB 750 was the first super bike available to the masses, but was not the first super bike, and sweeping statements like yours piss me off, so this should now be in the angry thread.
Any ground breaking bike is worthy of the title