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CB500/550 / Re: 550F2 DSS Wiring Harness
« on: July 25, 2022, 05:18:31 PM »
Far too many insulation colour changes in the DSS loom
Red/white should be Green...frame earth
& many other wire colours/connectors are in the wrong position?
Image attached of the OE rear loom lighting most classic Honda's
Yeah its bloody crazy, I've managed to determine some of the colour changes, for example the red/white being the earth, and I've managed to hook up the rear lights but after speaking to DSS today I am going to send the loom back as there are just too many changes.  A couple I can live with but not the whole thing.  DSS also don't offer a wiring diagram for the bike based on their wiring colours, they think something to do with copyright from Honda - think that's just a bit of BS though.  To be fair they were very helpful and totally understood my frustration and said they would alter their advert to state it was not to the same colours just so people were aware, as I wouldn't of bought it knowing that.

So looks like I will be ordering one of your fancy pants new ones tonight.....

Thanks for your help too Al, most appreciated.

CB500/550 / Re: 550F2 DSS Wiring Harness
« on: July 24, 2022, 09:16:21 PM »
Head light shell wiring would be good.
Image attached of the old CB550F1/2 loom head light shell wiring connections.

Al, attached are photos of the DS headlight wiring, the centre loom for the switch gear, the taillight wiring and the fuse box block connector. All of which are totally different to stock.

CB500/550 / Re: 550F2 DSS Wiring Harness
« on: July 24, 2022, 06:39:20 PM »
Do you have images of the DSS CB550F1/2 wire harness?
Old original wire harness attached...insulation colour reference
Hi Al, I can get some but I've installed it on the bike so might be hard for me to show it in any real detail. Looks like I will just have to buy one of yours instead. Its really grinding my gears this DS one, the advert even states and I quote:

 'The highest quality reproduction wiring harness, a perfect replacement for the original which is no longer available from Honda.'

Utter bullish!t. I have my old original harness which I've been using as reference, however from years of classic car ownership I know how critical a good electrical system is so wanted it all new. What photos would you want?

CB500/550 / Re: 550F2 DSS Wiring Harness
« on: July 24, 2022, 05:57:44 PM »
If you can use a multimeter it can be sorted BUT long distance electrics is not easy!
You could bring it to Gloucester and i will sort it

Thanks that's really generous of you, I can use a multimeter no probs I think as I now realise that this DSS loom doesn't match I just wanted to rant that a company like that could be so half-assed about it. I mean if it said in the advert that it doesn't match oem I would of sourced another elsewhere. I just want the loom to match the original as it will make life so much easier for a newbie like me. I'll probably end up just sending it back and buying one from Al on here.

CB500/550 / Re: 550F2 DSS Wiring Harness
« on: July 24, 2022, 04:53:57 PM »
Al does one for the F2.

Cheers Oddjob, I'll call DSS as I can't believe they advertise and sell these looms for this bike but are completely bloody different. Those ones from Alan's are rather pricey in comparison too but I suppose you get what you pay for.

CB500/550 / Re: 550F2 DSS Wiring Harness
« on: July 24, 2022, 04:51:25 PM »
Have you compared the old loom colours with the new ones from the front to the rear including any wiring spurs / clusters along the length?

Hi Ted, yes I have, the old loom is spot on to the wiring diagrams but the new one is totally different with only a couple matching colours unfortunately.

CB500/550 / 550F2 DSS Wiring Harness
« on: July 24, 2022, 02:10:45 PM »
I've reached the point I've been dreading in my build and that is the wiring. Me and electrics should have a restraining order against each other, as it is, in my opinion the work of the devil.

However, I've come to install the loom today however I have a lot of wires which simply do not match the plethora of wiring diagrams I have.

The loom is a brand new one from David Silver Spares and I wondered if anybody else here had experienced the same problems? For example, the wiring diagrams state brown wires running to the tail lights, however the loom doesn't have a single brown wire in it anywhere. The loom also has an orange with black stripe wire, but this is not on any wiring diagram.

The old loom removed matches all the diagrams perfectly and I'm now feeling rather lost. I'll give DSS a call tomorrow to see if they can help but thought I would also reach out to you guys for any advice.


CB500/550 / Re: Rear brake on CB550F question about design
« on: July 21, 2022, 01:15:33 PM »
Mmh… realising right now it must be the spring it hooks on to! Already installed the back wheel though, and it seems I have to disassemble that again to even install the brake pedal stem. Damn.

I made this mistake as I followed a build thread from an earlier K model and then found out when I had installed the lovely new swingarm and rear wheel that I couldn't get that brake arm pedal in.  So out came the rear wheel and swing arm again to install it.  I just put it down to experience and its all part of the fun, and yes the little hook is for the little spring which connects the arm to the brake pedal switch.

CB500/550 / Re: CB550F2 Build Update
« on: July 20, 2022, 06:38:02 PM »
Looks really nice Phil.
I am also undertaking my first cafe racer conversion of a cb550.
Could you tell me where you got your speedo and tacho gauge from please, they look sweet.

Cheers Rolf. Would like to see how your doing with yours too. Speedo and tacho were just a fleabay find but you've got to be careful with the ratios of them. I'll dig out the ebay listing and pm you the link if they are still around. The tricky bit is mounting them properly though, but I was lucky enough to find a custom bracket, again on ebay, from a guy in Canada who bought it for his cb750 and never fit it. You can buy them new but I've only ever seen them on Dime City Cycles (in the US) but they are quite pricey and the postage is mental, however they also sell the gauges. You also should mount them on rubber washers too so I've been told to stop undue vibration and premature gauge wear/failure.

CB500/550 / Re: CB550F2 Build Update
« on: July 20, 2022, 06:31:15 PM »
Thanks for the feedback guys, appreciate it.

And Ted yes I hope the electrics do go to plan as I've got a new loom too, and pilfered every wiring diagram and book I could from here, so fingers crossed! 👍

As I had time on my hands during the cold weather I actually did an Excel spread sheet showing all the wiring loom colours on my 400 including if they were male or female - I then married this up with the various  electrical items on my bike - indicators, ignition horn, brake lights etc I eneded up with just a few unknowns to do with the horn, & clutch switch I think it was.
I found this generic Honda document useful when I had a few spare wires!
Plus of course advice on here.
If any 400 owners want a copy of my spreadsheets just PM me and I will e-mail them to you, My bike did not have the pass switch so slight adjustments were needed. On the plus sign I did not blow any fuses except in my brain.

Thanks Red, and Excel spreadsheets - now your talking my language!! I'm a secret excel nerd so you've really got me thinking now and that wiring document will be really useful so thanks very much. 👍

CB500/550 / Re: CB550F2 Build Update
« on: July 18, 2022, 06:22:19 PM »
Thanks for the feedback guys, appreciate it.

And Ted yes I hope the electrics do go to plan as I've got a new loom too, and pilfered every wiring diagram and book I could from here, so fingers crossed! 👍

CB500/550 / CB550F2 Build Update
« on: July 17, 2022, 02:16:22 PM »
Hello all,

Its been a while since I first introduced myself to the forum and shared my build so I just though I would share the with you all the latest photo's of my mild cafe 550F2 project.  I also wanted to encourage those who, like me, have zero experience in the restoration of motorcycles that through using the amazing resource such as this forum that you can get there, because trust me if I can you can!

I would also really appreciate some constructive criticism or feedback as to what you think so far, because as i said this is the first one I've attempted and I am essentially building my dream bike (with the exception of an RC30 or 45).  The bike hasn't been hacked about as most cafe bikes are and can still be returned to stock easily if needed.  I didn't want to go for a loudy, shouty style but more of an understated one which captures the best of both worlds.

The build is not far now from being rideable, having started just over a year ago, and all I have now is *just* the electrics and then getting the thing fired up!


CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Short Cables
« on: June 14, 2022, 06:35:26 AM »
Thanks for all the replies and help guys.

Mine is a USA import 77 F2, which had the high bars on and I've swapped them for the clubman drop bars, so in theory those 4into1 shorter cables should work (according to them anyway!)

The clutch cable that was fitted as standard is now do long I'd almost have to do a couple of complete loops round the bike just to get the thing to fit!  :o

Digdil, I'll send you a PM.

CB500/550 / Re: CB550 Short Cables
« on: June 12, 2022, 08:20:44 PM »
OK thanks very much for the advice Phil, I'll take a look.

Not sure Oddjob, I'm going to be taking them off next weekend and I'll check. I ran out of time this weekend for any more playing.


CB500/550 / CB550 Short Cables
« on: June 11, 2022, 06:54:26 PM »

I was wondering if anybody on here knew of a UK supplier of shorter throttle and clutch cables for a CB550 which has been fitted with clubman bars?  I've found some on 4-into-1 in the US but the postage is a joke.  I'm building a mild cafe style bike and have progressed quite well so far since my last post, however being a rookie and this being my first every motorcycle restoration I have been caught out by the long standard cables.  Photos of my progress attached.


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