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« on: November 17, 2014, 10:51:40 AM »
well getting it right first time would be better
but as about the last uk volume producer- at least we are here to sort this out
you may need to be fluent in Cantonese to resolve most other supplier problems!
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« on: November 17, 2014, 09:35:26 AM »
Hi Ian,
I did point out that this was a NOS (new old stock) set. The metal is new, just a little out of shape from fire damage. No wielding or anything like that needed. There is no problem re-chroming with a set in this condition. The only problem is how to put them back in to shape seeing that they are double skinned.
How do they manufacture double skin units?
the double skinning is done with complex (and pipe specific) mandrels and once bent the fixings are attached which would stop their use again think that the problem you will have is that any skilled metal worker is going to need to introduce heat to the pipe to "encourage" it back into shape and this heat is going to discolour the chrome
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« on: November 17, 2014, 08:28:36 AM »
contact me on ianmcdonald@motad.co.uk or call me on 07702 876988
we will get this sorted !
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« on: November 17, 2014, 08:27:15 AM »
Ian, looking for a bit of advise.
Have a set of Honda 323's that were nos. Unfortunately they have been fire damaged. The metal is still in good condition but, have the down pipes a little out of shape.
I have spoken to a few company's that have mandrel pipe benders but, they say it is not possible because the down pipes are double skin and all they could do is cut the down pipes from the silencer and form a set of single skin down pipes to be wielded to the silencers.
Do you know of anyone in the UK that could do double skin pipes? Or any ideas on repair?
double skinned pipes are expensive because of the tooling costs- to make a set of pipes would probably involve £25,000 of tooling!. The original exhausts were designed to last a max of 4 years in average use as Honda wanted us to trade the bike and buy a new one!. Problem for us is that the cost of restoration is so high nowadays that a lot of the bikes that are restored are now spending their life on display and trailers (so nor being used ) which makes it harder to justify us spending the money to make originals. My advice on repair is that anything that is done will be a short term fix purely because of the fragility of the metal to which you are fixing- and be very carefull if you want rechroming- it is rare to find a chrome willing to put used exhausts into their mega expensive chemicals and often the ones that are of poor quality
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« on: November 13, 2014, 04:30:54 PM »
I would expect a stainless steel 4-1 would sell around the £185 mark
this would need 10 or more people (who understood the plusses and drawbacks of a system) to come on board so that the development costs could be spread
for most of the relevant models we already have down pipes and a good idea of required lengths - so we would have a head start
so far have only had one person showing interest (and must admit I suggested to them we would be unlikely to find more)
email me on ianmcdonald@motad.co.uk to prove me wrong!
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« on: November 13, 2014, 12:05:44 PM »
On the other hand the chances of me buying a complete silencer are smaller than me buying just the collector for my special the exhaust kind of defines the bikes looks. I am afraid for my bike the motad chrome system for the 500/4 whilst if fitted well and did the job just wasn't the look I really want to end up with, too restrained and sensible. I don't necessarily want the full on noise of the preformace / free flowing exhausts, there Motad have the good factor, you can ride 500 miles without ringing ears at the end of the trip, but for a lot of specials the 2 motad systems I have in the shed are a bit 'safe' in the styling department. Maybe even the gatling gun look of the dunstall system I have at the end of the silencer might give the something wild factor I am after. Just my thoughts. It wouldn't take much if any tooling up, just make the first section of the silencer and the customer can add a end can to suit their bikes look. My ntv650 has a ducatti end can shoved on on this basis - somehow looks and sounds great, lovely bark if given the beans, nearly inaudible to me cruising through town in a high gear.
we made Dunstall silencers for them in the 70s! I know the chances of being nicked for excess noise is slight - don't have a major problem selling leary stuff to experienced people who understand (like 99.9% of this forum)- the downside is when like so many of our competitors who are selling race stuff for the street without explain what their customers are buying I would say that the majority of the crazy eu rules and regs have been created by of the eurocrats being woken up in his Spanish some crazy on an open piped horror at 2 am!
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« on: November 13, 2014, 11:55:41 AM »
early Harris?
just about all of this style of pipe tend to have a hole mid range with perhaps some more at the top- just down to lack of volume and pipe lengths paying more attention to style than performance
a standard full throttle plug check (flat out hit the kill switch and coast to a stop ) will at least check that the mains are not lean enough to damage anything (unlikely)
you may just have to live with mid range- especially if you are not planning an air box- just describe it as "character"!
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« on: November 13, 2014, 10:42:16 AM »
I'm on the look out for some silencers for my 1200 trophy.The Motad ones on the bike have been on there for 22 years so not bad.They will probably last another 5
The black chrome ones look quit smart
Maybe some for the old Hondas the cafe racer boys would love those.You wont see those going blue Bitsa.
we brought out a range of motad silencers to fit Hinkley Triumphs when the factory moved their production to Thailand (and stopped buying from us) . They didn't sell and we stopped- basic problem we created is that they wont wear out and just like yours 20+ years later are still going
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« on: November 13, 2014, 10:39:03 AM »
Hi,
A separate "collector" would be a great idea for all the special enthusiasts, of which I am one, but commercially probably not on, as a manufacturer, why make and sell exhaust parts when you can sell complete systems, I personally think "Mr Motad" is a brave person to enter this arena (forum) considering the huge variation of exhausts already mentioned and variations there-off, most of which seem to revolve around perfect copies for original looks or yoshimura copies for the cafe racers.
I don't have a problem selling separate parts to experienced people- so a set of Motad pipes and also making a short collector to allow someone to add/make their own silencer is not a problem where it gets difficult is someone less able (like me!) fitting a system badly/dangerously and also the problem that generally to make a system road legal and work you need a silencer around the size of the one we supply- short and racy looks good but is often terrible on power if legal
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« on: November 13, 2014, 10:34:37 AM »
Just make something that does not go BLUE
Cheers
Bitsa
no problem to make- the downside is the cost of tooling and mandrells (different for each system) average price is around £25,000 and for the older bikes where we might only sell 100 just not viable- SORRY!
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« on: November 13, 2014, 10:31:03 AM »
That would be a line I would be interested in, a part that collected the existing 4 downpipes, then you can slip on a variety of end cans to suit the bike. Then I could go wild with fishtails and all manner of tasteless craziness. Not sure if others would want this though......
always been a little careful here- easy to change from an exhaust for performance and useage- into a styling exercise a lot of the far eastern/Chinese stuff (which apart from us is most now) offer crazy short cans etc etc- fine if you can live with being mega noisy ordown on power- but not great to ride with we love working with bikes- but bottom line is we have to pay our bill too- and probably the average tooling and development cost of making a new end cap is £7,000- that's fine if we are selling lots but not great on the obscure ones where we might only sell 5 a year!
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« on: November 13, 2014, 10:26:19 AM »
whats "parrallel pipes? "
are you considering end pipes to fit on existing stock down pipes ??
my thought is cut/remove rusted silencer,and fit slide-ons onto downpipes 
or am I being even more stupid than normal ??
sorry- me being obscure what I mean is a thin style silencer like on the old Yosh, piper, alfa 41 etc- all of them not great on power if used as road legal- but might be of interest for special builders etc but it would need 15 or 20 interested to be able to justify
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« on: November 13, 2014, 10:22:40 AM »
am I being slow here?- what exhaust are you running? certainly if its a road legal it should run fine on standard jets
you should only need to run larger jets on a "not for road use" system or any of the noisy horrors pretending to be road legal!
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« on: November 10, 2014, 02:34:19 PM »
I think Pipers best effort was for their GT750 3-1- sounded like heaven and solved the problem of drum brakes on the early bikes by losing about 25% of the power
And the Marving of the same "thin" style I had on my second 500-4- it took me a week to realise that that slight increase in noise pulling away from the lights in Stratford was in fact the complete baffle falling off
might be fun if enough interest to do a "parallel tube" system based on our existing downpipes and front part of the silencer on 500 (550s) and 750s
anyone with an interest?- email me on ianmcdonald@motad.co.uk
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« on: November 10, 2014, 09:58:22 AM »
I would prefer to be available as tech support and keep away from selling-
You are right in that David S pointed me to the forum- although I should be shot for missing you guys for so long- first Motad systems were for 500-4 and 750-4 in the early 70s
I think that many of our competitors are on the forums that we are on- but hidden behind obscure user names etc
I think that being on to give open and no commercial advise is good- although of course my views are affected by 35 years of being in this market (and of course the need to give that nice lady in Aldi some money each week!__)
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