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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB750 => Topic started by: Colonial-Clive (yindi) on July 21, 2017, 02:37:55 PM
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http://ukbiketrader.co.uk/ads/1969-honda-cb750-sandcast/
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Purist says: painted engine, painted oil pan, polished oil filter case
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Is the photo of him signing not the other side cover???
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The guy in the red T shirt in the video clip at Ohio is my buddy Chris Rushton from here in the UK . Chris has to be the most knowledgeable person in the UK on CB750's IMHO and most of the stuff I know about them I learned from Chris. His very first CB750K0 resto he did in the 90's is the one in the National Motor Museum.
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He wants "how much" and its only running on three cylinders (hence the frantic exhaust touching). May I humbly suggest that you get it running correctly before the camera comes out. And if you cant, dont put the video in your advert. He's even too frightened to put petrol in the tank, using a bottle tank instead. Clearly never been ridden. Get real, its only a Honda at the end of the day.
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It's a very early sandcast Roy that's been rebuilt by Vic World. His bikes are so good that Honda bought one for their Museum in Japan The video clip was done in 2009 at the Mid Ohio Show and the guy running it is Vic himself with my buddy Chris Rushton looking on in the red T shirt. Mega money I know but less than our friend Frank in the U.K. Would charge for a very much more ropey, later VIN example. Vics bikes are built from mainly NOS parts and his techniques for restoring the old parts he uses are mindblowing .. that's why Honda chose one of his for their museum.
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Roy, that bike is not for riding.
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Roy, that bike is not for riding.
Then what is it for. Looks like a motorbike to me?...... These things are not for looking at they are for riding. If it doesn't do that its worthless, except for the strange people who want to own it just for ownings sake............ It's these weird people that drive the prices sky high.............. I repeat it's not the Crown Jewels its a Honda that was sold to ordinary people in the local Honda dealerships........... Whats the point of owning a motorcycle that doesn't run. They would be better off as gold bullion or art dealers........... If you told the average person that you had paid £50,000 for a bike and you showed them a 750 Honda they would have you certified..... Only a real tiny number of people even know what a Sandcast is, and an even smaller number would pay anything like that for one.
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+ 1 with Roy ;D
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+1 Engine and wheels = RIDE
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+1 Engine and wheels = RIDE
agrees
get out and ride !!!
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What I mean is, the people who will buy this type of bike will not ride it....unfortunately. There are thousands of bikes safely(??) tucked away everywhere. Many owned by people who are too old to ride or have never ridden.
On top of this many bikes are meticulously rebuilt and then owners are too worried to use them and trailer them to events.
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Roy, that bike is not for riding.
..... except for the strange people who want to own it just for ownings sake............ It's these weird people that drive the prices sky high................... Only a real tiny number of people even know what a Sandcast is, and an even smaller number would pay anything like that for one...
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I´m afraid there are a lot of "strange people" out there that own old bikes but dont ride them.
Some of them are in a shed, some of them are forgotten behind the house, some of them are restorated, some of them are in the living room, some of them are in a museum ...
Maybe you write to Mr. Silver and tell him what bikes are made for referring to his museum.
What is your problem with rising prices? Do old bikes have to stay cheap, do you need a seventh bike for sunday?
Regarding sandcasts: correct.
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Who cares what other people do with their own property, it's up to them. My mate has several bikes he never rides, but that's cos he's too old and can hardly walk never mind ride. He loves his bikes and enjoys them for what he has left. Leave him alone, when you get like that you just might have a different outlook on what you have in your garage. Or will you sell your bikes to "young" people so you can sit in your high chair whilst waiting for the health visitor to call in and wipe you clean, cos that's what you're saying to me.
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Who cares what other people do with their own property, it's up to them. My mate has several bikes he never rides, but that's cos he's too old and can hardly walk never mind ride. He loves his bikes and enjoys them for what he has left. Leave him alone, when you get like that you just might have a different outlook on what you have in your garage. Or will you sell your bikes to "young" people so you can sit in your high chair whilst waiting for the health visitor to call in and wipe you clean, cos that's what you're saying to me.
Whooe steady there big fella. It's just a discussion point no need to get personal.
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Wasn't me who brought age into it
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Wasn't me who brought age into it
Nor me.
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The point is a simple one..... You will not find a bigger bunch of Honda fans than on this forum, but unless a member has owned a "Sandcast" for some time the vast majority will never own one as speculators (and thats all they are) have driven the prices through the roof. And due to that it is no longer a bike it is just "property" that is now denied to all the true fans...... This is nothing to do with the average owners getting old and wanting to hold on to treasured bikes that they have loved for years, I will be just the same. My widow will be able to sell them for the money....... In a nutshell these things are speculated just for money the same way art is sold. And true it's their property to do what they want with, but good luck selling your non running £50k bike.....Shows how genuine they are when it wont run correctly and they put the video in the advert. You couldn't make it up.
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Yes I agree it was perhaps the poor choice of words used that generalised and alienated a large section of people and on reflection I apologise for my reaction.
But back on the subject, I believe that we will soon see the bottom fall out of the classic bike market. The market place for these is at the top end of the age range as we don't seem to get the interest in classic bikes, or even bikes in general from many younger people. Hence we find fewer people are owning more bikes and because of this each bike is doing less miles. We are in the last of the golden years for petrol heads as pretty soon the self driving electric powered plastic bubble will become the form of transport. Just to back this up the French are proposing the end of petrol and diesel driven cars by 2040 and that's not far off. No doubt others will follow and we'll be back to buying petrol from a chemist soon. (Wonder if my prescription pre payment certificate will work for that).
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We have covered the subject of the demise of the Classic Bike market previously, excellent points of views from many members. Makes interesting reading.
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,11791.0.html
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Eh?what?pardon?, were there cross words on our genteel little forum?, missed it, oh well I'll go back to sleep 😞
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A collector who buys a rare and expensive watch doesn't necessarily need to know what time it is.
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A collector who buys a rare and expensive watch doesn't necessarily need to know what time it is.
True, though he'll wind it up and look at the hands to see if it holds time occasionally, same as an exotic classic motorcycle owner doesn't own it to ride to work but it should be fired up, run well and be ridden occasionally.
Just my 2p :-X
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As I started part of this explosion. Great to a inject a lively discussion. Thought I'd just say that with four bikes I spend vastly more time cleaning than riding. And certainly more time rebuilding.
And yes rare bikes are being pushed as investments, fact. Not that I believe most Hondas qualify, but the one for sale may. Painting/works of art?/cars/watches/star wars bits/pop stuff/everything over 40 years old.
Down in the New Forest last year I was pleased to see a Brough Superior chug by with a load of other vintage stuff on it's way to Sammy Miller. But probably most never run and the prices are sky high because of speculation.
Just like the recent tragic fire in London where it transpires that large numbers of luxury flats just down the road are not for living in.
The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed, Gandhi.
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A collector who buys a rare and expensive watch doesn't necessarily need to know what time it is.
Why's he need a watch then? ;D ;D
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Because he can?
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I agree with Royhall, the bottom will fall out of the market, it has to and economic history from the 80's proves it.
Back then I worked for a high end coach trimmer and when house prices went through the roof (pun intended) and property became unobtainable as now 'investors' turned their attention to buying classic cars and this forced the prices for classic cars like E-types into the 100k territory. Aston's were going for half a million+. Everything became a 'classic' and everything went up in value overnight and just kept increasing. Eventually all the good cars dried up and the 'investors' starting buying old wrecks for silly money and having them restored knowing they would get more then their money back come sale time.
I worked on 80k Jag XK120's, E-types and (this is true) one of Adolf Hitlers Mercedes SL500 Supercharged staff cars imported from South America as a total wreck, it sold for over a million when it was finished.
What happened next, interest rates went up and up and up peaking at 15% thanks to black Monday. The bottom fell out of the housing market, nobody was buying and nobody could sell. Bank repossessions were the new in thing and people gave up the keys to properties they could no longer afford to pay for. All the 'investors' who had borrowed money to buy and restore the 'classic' wrecks to get rich couldn't pay their bank loans and the cars left at the workshops for restoration became worthless overnight. The banks repossessed the cars and the companies that were in the middle of restoring them including the one I worked for were left with unpaid bills and went to the wall as a result.
History tends to repeat like a breakfast kipper. How much longer will interest rates stay at 0.25% with 2 bed terraced houses in outer London selling for 500k? Can the market continue to support 50k barn find 'bitsa' Vincents and 350k Broughs or is the classic bubble about to burst once more, its becoming unsustainable.
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The bottom will fall out of the UK motorcycle market period in 10 to 15 years time, look around you next time your with a group of bikers, how many haven't got grey hair?, there just aren't enough younger people getting into biking and with the exception of a few iconic classics that have become investors pieces (Brough and the like) everything else will plummet in value, the U.K. Will become a source of cheap bikes for other countries where legislation hasn't stopped younger riders taking up the hobby, imagine yourself as a 17 year old today, would you want to take multiple tests costing £££ or just pass your car test?, anyone relying on selling their collection in 15 years time to boost their pension will be disappointed IMO.
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The bottom will fall out of the UK motorcycle market period in 10 to 15 years time, look around you next time your with a group of bikers, how many haven't got grey hair?, there just aren't enough younger people getting into biking and with the exception of a few iconic classics that have become investors pieces (Brough and the like) everything else will plummet in value, the U.K. Will become a source of cheap bikes for other countries where legislation hasn't stopped younger riders taking up the hobby, imagine yourself as a 17 year old today, would you want to take multiple tests costing £££ or just pass your car test?, anyone relying on selling there collection in 15 years time to boost their pension will be disappointed IMO.
I already started that bunfight a while ago. http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,11791.0.html
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I agree with Mark - in addition to the point you make Mark, human decision on the road will be legislated off the road by the insurance companies in an age of driverless electric vehicles. The vast majority of classics are at the moment owned and ridden - albeit not very often, and so when they can't be ridden, there will be a glut of bikes coming on the market leading to a fall in values.
What timescale this will happen in is the unknown but its defo on the way. (Except the museum piece classics that are rarely if ever ridden now and so will end up in rich peoples collections for looking at only - like they are now).
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There's always an upside. Getting home from the pub in your driverless electric dodgem will be a breeze, just sit in the back and wave at the nice policeman. ;D ;D
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You'll be taxed for waving Roy - they will have to get the revenue from somewhere when there's no fines for motoring offences
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Ha , taxed for waving, brilliant!
Here's the thing with driverless cars though, in a completely unavoidable accident, where the choice is running over an 80 year old woman or a 20year old woman, a human would run over the 80 year old, because we can make that sort of complex moral judgement, what would a driverless car do?
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Ahh but............. humans will not be allowed to walk anywhere by then - as walking will be deemed too dangerous!
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Here's the thing with driverless cars though, in a completely unavoidable accident,
We're told a "completely unavoidable accident" won't happen with driverless cars :-X
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Here's the thing with driverless cars though, in a completely unavoidable accident,
We're told a "completely unavoidable accident" won't happen with driverless cars :-X
My guess is it would run one of them over and then reverse up to take the other one out due to some kind of "fairness " algorithm 😄
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A good point is that if it breaks down all you do is switch it off and back on again... always works, except for printers ;)