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Title: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: royhall on August 05, 2017, 11:07:08 AM: Does anyone know for sure if motorcycles are included in the 2040 ban on petrol vehicles..... Also, when 2040 comes I assume that existing petrol vehicles will still be allowed on the roads.......... Dont think it will affect me much as I will be about a million years old by then, but if they try to phase out existing vehicles that will be the end for classics........This whole thing may also remove our classics free road tax as it appears were a polluting bunch of b****rds......Electric bike anyone? ??? ?
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: hairygit on August 05, 2017, 11:13:52 AM: I can't find a definitive answer on that one either. The statement mentioned cars and vans, but no mention of buses, coaches, heavy lorries or motorcycles. Question is, who or what is going to fund road building/repairs, at the moment fuel duty and road tax, but if the revenue from that dries up, bye bye free road tax for electric vehicles?

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Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: philward on August 05, 2017, 11:18:01 AM: Don't worry Roy we will be legislated off the road by then when driverless cars become the norm. Anybody who makes human decisions will become a liability to the insurers. we're in the golden age of practical classics (and value) - the only survivers will be museum class vehicles like Vincents

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Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: Bryanj on August 05, 2017, 12:35:52 PM: As I read it it is TOTALY petrol or DIESEL cars so Hybrids are the norm from then
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: hairygit on August 05, 2017, 12:57:14 PM: Quote from: Bryanj on August 05, 2017, 12:35:52 PM
As I read it it is TOTALY petrol or DIESEL cars so Hybrids are the norm from then
But absolutely no mention of motorcycles, so seeing as we are such a minority of road traffic use and pollution bikes may get away with it!

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Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: petermigreen on August 05, 2017, 01:26:02 PM: Quote from: hairygit on August 05, 2017, 11:13:52 AM
Question is, who or what is going to fund road building/repairs, at the moment fuel duty and road tax, but if the revenue from that dries up, bye bye free road tax for electric vehicles?

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Sorry but incorrect, there's no such thing as 'road tax' and 'road building/repairs' is paid for via general and local taxation. The tax you pay to use a vehicle is a tax on it's emissions, that's why electric vehicles, bicycles etc aren't liable for the tax.
check it out here.
http://ipayroadtax.com
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: hairygit on August 05, 2017, 01:43:03 PM: That's an excuse of recent years to levy higher taxes on bigger vehicles! When road tax started, it was for road building/repairs, but recent governments have used the green lobby's ideas to rob motorists even more. If pollution was the reason for higher taxation, why are bikes still taxed by capacity instead of emissions? We are being conned as usual. As for global warming, that too is a con. 10,000 years ago Europe was covered in an ice sheet, the "Ice age" but then, over a 10-15 year period the planet warmed up, the ice melted, and we were left with lakes, rivers and oceans. That is scientifically proven fact, so were cavemen driving V8 Range rovers and using coal/oil fired power stations and factories????? Obviously not, the planet has been through many heating and cooling cycles over it's lifetime, "global warming" is just an excuse to tax the hell out of everything we need/rely on, oil, petrol, gas, electricity. Rant over!

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Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: royhall on August 05, 2017, 01:54:00 PM: Dont forget that if I live to be 80 the worlds population will have doubled in my lifetime. Is this not the real problem. Half as many people using energy is half as much pollution. Maybe Genocide will be in the next party manifesto's. They know they cant stop global warming for this reason, so why not get in there with the extra tax whilst the going's good. I agree, Rant Over.
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on August 05, 2017, 06:15:59 PM: Be careful what you wish for.
Motorcycle manufacturers don't publish CO2 emissions figures but you can imagine that your average 200bhp/litre sportsbike makes as much CO2 as a Range Rover.
If we were taxed on emissions, we'd probably end up paying more.
Plus, none of my bikes gets anywhere near the fuel economy of my boring Ford Focus.

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Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: Seabeowner on August 05, 2017, 06:20:05 PM: Straying off subject again. But I'm always up for a discussion.
Road tax is apparently coming back: In the 2015 budget the government announced that from 2020 the revenue would be ring-fenced for expenditure on the strategic road network.
Certainly increasing Co2 in the atmosphere by 40% does have consequences. (everything does). How much is the question and it will be no bad thing (except for the bikes) when we move away from the age of coal, oil and gas. It is after all pretty primitive when you think about it.
Also apparently the banning of petrol/diesel is not enough for some as I read of the Air Pollutants from brakes and tyres and road abrasion of the future electric vehicles. Had to laugh at that one.
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on August 05, 2017, 06:25:21 PM: Did they define the "strategic road network" ?
Nothing there for most of us then.

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Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: Orcade-Ian on August 05, 2017, 07:35:20 PM: When they stop using aeroplanes to shuttle 1000's of delegates and their entourage to and from 'Climate change' conferences from all parts of the World on a fairly regular basis, then I MIGHT consider scrapping my 370 bhp Supercharged 4 litre Daimler and buying a Nissan Leaf.

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Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: Bryanj on August 05, 2017, 08:08:31 PM: Did you know that ALL motorcycles registered since 1st January this year had to be Euro 4 which means fuel injection and ABS, my local MOT man has seen his trade drop by over 50% as there are no cheap 125 Euro 4's which means no gear sales, no servicing and no upgrades
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: hairygit on August 05, 2017, 08:38:44 PM: The ABS part only applies to bikes 125cc and over at the moment, but it must add a fair whack to the purchase price of a new bike. I've tried a couple of bikes with ABS, no thanks, I prefer to have full control over my braking, same goes for cars, I won't drive a car with ABS (none fitted to my 1958 Landrover!)

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Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: mike the bike on August 05, 2017, 10:40:56 PM: It makes no difference whether vintage vehicles ate allowed, where are you going to get your juice from once all the filling stations are turned into Costa Coffee shops.
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: K2-K6 on August 05, 2017, 11:17:27 PM: Avgas from the local airport, those little planes won't go far on a big chunky battery pack.
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: Trigger on August 06, 2017, 08:56:22 PM: Don't get me started ;D
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: K2-K6 on August 06, 2017, 09:36:47 PM: It's funny that they've published a plan to, I assume use electric vehicles, when right now they don't seem to have any cohesive plan to make the electricity!
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: mike the bike on August 06, 2017, 09:40:33 PM: I think they plan to go ahead with it when they invent nuclear fusion or antimatter warp drive.
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: MrDavo on August 07, 2017, 12:44:28 PM: Good luck with delivering absolutely everything without diesel trucks.
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: royhall on August 08, 2017, 08:09:13 AM: Quote from: MrDavo on August 07, 2017, 12:44:28 PM
Good luck with delivering absolutely everything without diesel trucks.
It only covers cars and light commercial (apparently). Trucks are still allowed to pollute. Cant have the fat cats not getting the pigs to market can we.
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: Rob62 on September 16, 2017, 10:31:08 AM: Apparently a vehicle with start-stop technology counts as a hybrid as far as the proposed legislation is concerned...... so i dont expect to see drastic changes overnight.... Electric vehicles are coming for sure but the car manufacturers need to solve things yet like batteries, there isn't enough cobalt in the world to satisfy the potential need for batteries 🤔
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: paul G on September 16, 2017, 02:35:02 PM: Not a cat in hells chance of this happening.
Who is going to build all the new power stations needed for this when we all plug our cars in every night.
If you live in London which all these fuckwits do who is going to build all the power points needed as most of the place is high rise.
Short rant but I could go on forever ;) ;)
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: JamesH on September 16, 2017, 03:08:44 PM: The issue won't be the input capacity of the grid. It'll be the local grid / sub-station infrastructure required to simultaneously fast-charge an electric vehicle fleet.
Title: Re: The 2040 ban on petrol vehicles
Post by: Seabeowner on September 16, 2017, 03:25:51 PM: Rob, not sure where you get the idea that start/stop is considered hybrid.
Also Scotland's regional govt has promised to stop sales by 2032, which is strange as we are still one country! But mainly it's a headline grabber and smokescreen to cover inaction on urban air pollution. We promise that some government in the future will do something drastic about it. But the ICE is certainly extremely inefficient and unsuitable for urban areas and expect bans in major cities within 10 years.