Post by: allankelly1 on December 21, 2021, 11:36:11 PM
Happy Xmas Al
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/600954
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 22, 2021, 12:09:17 AM
It's interesting as my Jeep WK1 is currently in limp mode due to the swirl motors showing a fault last week - it's an old motor 2005 so not worth a deal even though it's only done 85k miles.
New swirl motor actuator in the Mercedes designed OM643 engine with labour plus potential replacement of the intake manifolds is a £600-£1500 to fix - a work around that disables the swirl motor circuit costs around £200 fitted. The modification does not affect the emisions - small loss of power - around 8 bhp not a big deal for a V6 3 litre.
This legislation could make my intended repair illegal even though I still have a particulate filter & EGR valve in place.
Update:- Signed
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Post by: allankelly1 on December 22, 2021, 03:27:12 PM
I signed it as well. However, the reporting of this issue has been very poor as per the usual UK media. The actual intentions of this bill are not as reported which is nothing more than hysterical scaremongering. I signed it though as can you trust any government to do as it says.Yes good point about the government
Cannot even follow its own rules it made last Xmas
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Post by: Laverda Dave on December 22, 2021, 03:52:07 PM
I also responded via the original consultation paper a couple of months ago after Stuart Fillingham posted the story on his YouTube video.
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Post by: Sesman on December 22, 2021, 04:47:02 PM
Post by: MCTID on December 22, 2021, 04:59:56 PM
His business also handles a lot of Fleet Cars and Vans, and again, he will offer Owners an alternative part if there is a significant saving as many parts for Citroens, Renaults, Peugeots and Vauxhalls are basically the same, but the price difference may be significant. Another factor is who can supply the part today or will you have to wait 48 hours for it to be delivered from the Main Dealer/ Motor Factor - a vital factor when you have a vehicle stripped down on the ramp taking up workshop space awaiting parts to get it back on the road....think Fleet Vehicles here folks !
He tells me that other Independent Garages like his will also offer alternative parts just like he does, and for a large Fleet, the annual savings can be substantial. Fleet Owners expect him to be proactive and to add value wherever possible and repeat business is often won by passing on these savings.
The conversation we had back in June 2016 was about an EU initiative to prevent the use of non OEM parts on vehicles....which would have had a major impact upon his business without adding any real benefit or ensuring Customers had a choice. Although we all accept that Emissions should be tightly controlled, is it really a good thing that a mild steel exhaust system provided (not made by the Vehicle Manufacturer but outsourced) retailing at £250 might be outlawed and instead the Customer has no choice but to buy the Manufacturers Stamped exhaust system at £750 ! It's made from the same material, made to the same specifications and made by the same Factory, but you will only be able to buy it from the Manufacturer and you will have to pay the asking price they want ! So much for choice, value and the 'free market' ! Similarly, should a Headlight or a Door Mirror which you can buy as a Pattern part be available for £100 or £50 or should you be forced to pay 4 or 5 times that price because legally, you can only buy it from the Main Dealer ?
Back in 2026, my SIL was aghast that such an initiative was being considered and felt it was a negative proposal........and although many thought it had bit the dust since then, it's obvious that somebody somewhere has refused to let it drop and is trying to introduce it again !
I signed this petition and also responded to the call for comments that the BMF asked for - despite it being a PITA to complete and return the formal Response Form......in my experience, when any Civil Service Department deliberately makes it difficult to air your views, then there's usually a very 'dodgy' reason behind their subterfuge and sleight of hand........i.e. they don't actually want people to comment because they have no interest in what Joe Public wants as they have already made their minds up.
Let's hope that common sense prevails in this matter, but if it doesn't then we may all need to badger our local MP's or we will once again be stuck with it !
Post by: Moorey on December 22, 2021, 06:20:55 PM
Signed but a waste of time as nothing has ever come of any of these petitions All 100,000 sigs does is mean it will be considered
for debate not debated.
Post by: allankelly1 on December 22, 2021, 07:13:52 PM
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 23, 2021, 02:04:19 PM
We haven't changed the legislation that covers most assaults since 1861 (Ye Olde "Offences Against the Persons Act 1861") so why even consider it - the usual route is a Statutory Instrument to add the offence to existing Construction & Use Regulations without the need of new legislation !
Post by: royhall on December 23, 2021, 02:07:27 PM
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Post by: Kelly E on December 23, 2021, 04:44:06 PM
Greed is rampant in the world these days. There are so many that want more than their share.
Post by: Laverda Dave on December 23, 2021, 10:04:45 PM
This is worth a watch and informs of the government's real intentions of future transport policy for us all.
The bright side though is by the time we are all effectively banned from owning any form of personal transport I'll be too old to care 😁
Post by: matthewmosse on December 23, 2021, 11:26:47 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 23, 2021, 11:51:18 PM
Why are we doing this - I'm not convinced global warming is primarily man made.
The sweeping statistics about carbon footprint calculations are IMAO as reliable as current weather forecasts - the last attempt at improving air & water quality world wide has just resulted in all dirty manufacturing processes moving to third world countries or those that did not sign up to the deal.
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on December 24, 2021, 07:02:33 AM
Remember that this is a bike forum
Steve
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 24, 2021, 07:11:52 AM
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on December 24, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
When does an electric bike become a “ powered two wheeler”?
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Post by: Charlie J on December 24, 2021, 10:50:33 AM
Electric moped >250 watts < 4kw
Electric motorcycle > 4kw
With regard to electric scooters, it is illegal to use privately owned ones on the road. Hired ones can be used in the areas where the government has allowed trials to take place but are limited to 15.5 mph.
There is a teenage girl who lives near me who rides an electric scooter on the road and regularly passes me when I'm doing 30 mph! It may be illegal, but it looks great fun! I did far worse things when I was a teenager. Those were the days.
Post by: sye on December 24, 2021, 10:54:37 AM
It is a useful question to ask.
When does an electric bike become a “ powered two wheeler”?
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Electric bicycles are classed as regular bicycles unless they can travel at more than 25kph (15.5mph), have a motor over 250 Watts of power or can be ridden on electric power without using the pedals. If it doesn't comply with any one of these, then it's a motorcycle.
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on December 24, 2021, 11:03:20 AM
Reminds me of the Fizzie/SS50 rules where they had to have pedals
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Post by: sye on December 24, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Post by: allankelly1 on December 24, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
If it was maybe it should also cover tampering with electric bike and scooters too as they would pose a possible safety issue under this new legislation
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Post by: Green1 on December 24, 2021, 11:40:04 AM
Only two days ago I nearly took one out with the truck when turning right at a junction. As I sat waiting for a gap in the traffic it pulled up on my left as if to go left. When I pulled away he pulled out at the same time but tried to out accelerate and cut in front of me. What made it worse it was dark and raining and his bright LED headlight was sticking up in the air blinding me mid corner. In typical cyclist fashion in Cambridge he was totally oblivious to what he did and how close he was to being flattened. I have also had them riding in the wrong direction and straight at me along Huntingdon rd on more than one occasion.
I'm not against them but they should be classed as mopeds and a CBT Should be mandatory.
Post by: Bryanj on December 24, 2021, 11:50:50 AM
Failed many a one on test because if it couldnt be pedalled it came under motorcycle rules
Post by: royhall on December 24, 2021, 12:10:00 PM
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Post by: Lobo on December 26, 2021, 12:22:35 PM
Yep they can both still be pedalled, but non-owners don’t quite appreciate the pedals are locked to the rear wheel (when unstowed), ie there are no free-wheeling capabilities. I think I’ve managed the length of my short driveway at best…. 😂
How these ‘moped’ mechanisms skirted / flouted / made a mockery of the law’s intentions is a joke; borne out by the subsequent 30mph restrictions I guess.
Regardless … Happy days; apologies for the thread drift.