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Other Bikes / Re: Francis. The 1987 CB125 TDE (electrics working)
« on: May 18, 2017, 09:43:29 PM »
So with tank sealed and better forks on the next thing for Francis was to re-instate his wiring.
But before that a small word about original colour....
I found on rear mudguard, under seat, a sticker telling the colour code for the bike: Candy Alamoana Red.
If I'd found this a few weeks ago it would have saved me hours of Googling to try and work out the right colour but it's a moot point anyway as the colour-matched paint available (RS Paints ?) is very expensive and if I was to do another red candy (House of Kolor ?) they are only available as 2K which I don't use.
this sticker tells you all you need to know really
I mentioned at start of this thread that 'he' was laid-up in my barn a few years ago. Well I remember one evening Hannah and her man coming down to work on him and they were removing the headlamp etc. Think this was because everything up front was upset in the crash. I remember suggesting to them to photograph all the wiring connections for later reference.
Well last night I decided to connect everything up. The pictures might have helped but it's not actually that difficult even if you're colour-blind like me. Even on large fancy machines (eg XJR1300) it's much the same as any other bike: main loom connects to wiring from handlebar switches and ignition switch inside headlamp bowl; connect multi-plugs first then deal with any remaining single wires.
I also had a colour-coded wiring diagram I'd printed off the 'net five minutes before leaving the house. It wasn't ideal as it is a bit blurred and some of the connections shown don't exactly match my machine but I don't have the Haynes manual so it was best I could do.
found this just before I embarked on last night's task
There are always some connections on a bike which have been messed around with. It's a pet-hate of mine and the repairs are usually ugly and bewildering and seem to be more common the smaller the machine is
I have about 5 Honda SS50 looms and not one of them didn't have missing connectors or extra bits on them. Conversely on the XJR1300 I am working on it's fine. perhaps people are less inclined to mess with expensive machines.
Anyway Francis has 2 or 3 ubiquitous blue crimped connectors on his loom but they seem to have been done pretty well.
time to sort all this out
main loom spaghetti
one rogue connector on earth? brown? 4-way/5-way? connector
everything from ignition switch is fine
as are connections from RHS handlebar switch
loom from LHS handlebar switch (incorporating headlamp connector) has a rogue blue connector too
just one wire coming from RHS front indicator which also has colour-coded (orange) ring in usual Honda fashion
but LHS indicator has extra (yellow) wires with another rogue connector plus same colour-code ring (orange) as RHS flasher
1st connection was easy: red plug from RHS handle switch to red plug in loom and blue/wite wire which connects over to same on LHS handle switch
ignition switch to main loom easy apart from black/white single wires which show on diagram as being part of multi-plug but aren't on my bike
not quite sure where this black to black one came from and it's not on diagram but sure it's correct
same with this one (grey? & green/red?) which may connect clutch-switch/indicator-relay/diode
single orange (?) wire goes to horn. has to as it's got spade-connector rather than bullet or plug and everything on loom has those
another easy one but not sure what it's for
this one is single wire from speedo lamp to double connector in loom. not sure why there is an empty one but wiring diagram actually shows single to double
found the other one for horn. single brown(?) spade from main loom
despite being rogue connectors this was obvious as one blue wire is fly-lead from headlamp connector and diagram shows it goes to blue lead from high-beam warning lamp
connector from main loom (coming from rear LH indicator) has connector with 3 spaces for orange leads from LH switch, indicator warning lamp and LH indicator
connection above leads to realisation that the front indicators shouldn't both have orange rings, on their clear leads. RHS one should be light blue
so as with LHS connector we have equivalent light blue one which has misleading orange-ringed wire in it now
tail-lamp was coming on in various switch configurations but no headlamp
also have lots of lights on pod
So with everything obvious connected up and battery-charger connected to flat battery I had lots of stuff going on: tail light; indicators (not quite flashing); idiot lights, apart from high-beam; horn; speedo and tacho lights. No headlamp tho...
The only thing I hadn't connected were two of the rogue blue connectors. One on the yellow wires from LH indicator and one on the multi-earth thing. Connected them and hey presto we have headlight.
we had two connectors without a home. one from multi-earth connector and one on yellow leads from LH indicator
once these, apparently unrelated, wires were connected we got headlamp
Only other thing that wasn't working was the blue high-beam idiot light. It was definitely connected so I figured bulb might be out and swapped it with the one from the speedo. After that neither the speedo or high-beam lamp lit up. Will need to investigate further....
Also I'm not sure how the switches work. There's a P symbol on the ignition switch and also on the lighting switch so what do you need to do for parking lights and what works and doesn't work when they're on? And who ever uses them anyway?
Suffice to say I was quite pleased and even gave the starter button a prod but there wasn't enough juice to get anything more than clicking.
But before that a small word about original colour....
I found on rear mudguard, under seat, a sticker telling the colour code for the bike: Candy Alamoana Red.
If I'd found this a few weeks ago it would have saved me hours of Googling to try and work out the right colour but it's a moot point anyway as the colour-matched paint available (RS Paints ?) is very expensive and if I was to do another red candy (House of Kolor ?) they are only available as 2K which I don't use.
this sticker tells you all you need to know really
I mentioned at start of this thread that 'he' was laid-up in my barn a few years ago. Well I remember one evening Hannah and her man coming down to work on him and they were removing the headlamp etc. Think this was because everything up front was upset in the crash. I remember suggesting to them to photograph all the wiring connections for later reference.
Well last night I decided to connect everything up. The pictures might have helped but it's not actually that difficult even if you're colour-blind like me. Even on large fancy machines (eg XJR1300) it's much the same as any other bike: main loom connects to wiring from handlebar switches and ignition switch inside headlamp bowl; connect multi-plugs first then deal with any remaining single wires.
I also had a colour-coded wiring diagram I'd printed off the 'net five minutes before leaving the house. It wasn't ideal as it is a bit blurred and some of the connections shown don't exactly match my machine but I don't have the Haynes manual so it was best I could do.
found this just before I embarked on last night's task
There are always some connections on a bike which have been messed around with. It's a pet-hate of mine and the repairs are usually ugly and bewildering and seem to be more common the smaller the machine is
I have about 5 Honda SS50 looms and not one of them didn't have missing connectors or extra bits on them. Conversely on the XJR1300 I am working on it's fine. perhaps people are less inclined to mess with expensive machines.
Anyway Francis has 2 or 3 ubiquitous blue crimped connectors on his loom but they seem to have been done pretty well.
time to sort all this out
main loom spaghetti
one rogue connector on earth? brown? 4-way/5-way? connector
everything from ignition switch is fine
as are connections from RHS handlebar switch
loom from LHS handlebar switch (incorporating headlamp connector) has a rogue blue connector too
just one wire coming from RHS front indicator which also has colour-coded (orange) ring in usual Honda fashion
but LHS indicator has extra (yellow) wires with another rogue connector plus same colour-code ring (orange) as RHS flasher
1st connection was easy: red plug from RHS handle switch to red plug in loom and blue/wite wire which connects over to same on LHS handle switch
ignition switch to main loom easy apart from black/white single wires which show on diagram as being part of multi-plug but aren't on my bike
not quite sure where this black to black one came from and it's not on diagram but sure it's correct
same with this one (grey? & green/red?) which may connect clutch-switch/indicator-relay/diode
single orange (?) wire goes to horn. has to as it's got spade-connector rather than bullet or plug and everything on loom has those
another easy one but not sure what it's for
this one is single wire from speedo lamp to double connector in loom. not sure why there is an empty one but wiring diagram actually shows single to double
found the other one for horn. single brown(?) spade from main loom
despite being rogue connectors this was obvious as one blue wire is fly-lead from headlamp connector and diagram shows it goes to blue lead from high-beam warning lamp
connector from main loom (coming from rear LH indicator) has connector with 3 spaces for orange leads from LH switch, indicator warning lamp and LH indicator
connection above leads to realisation that the front indicators shouldn't both have orange rings, on their clear leads. RHS one should be light blue
so as with LHS connector we have equivalent light blue one which has misleading orange-ringed wire in it now
tail-lamp was coming on in various switch configurations but no headlamp
also have lots of lights on pod
So with everything obvious connected up and battery-charger connected to flat battery I had lots of stuff going on: tail light; indicators (not quite flashing); idiot lights, apart from high-beam; horn; speedo and tacho lights. No headlamp tho...
The only thing I hadn't connected were two of the rogue blue connectors. One on the yellow wires from LH indicator and one on the multi-earth thing. Connected them and hey presto we have headlight.
we had two connectors without a home. one from multi-earth connector and one on yellow leads from LH indicator
once these, apparently unrelated, wires were connected we got headlamp
Only other thing that wasn't working was the blue high-beam idiot light. It was definitely connected so I figured bulb might be out and swapped it with the one from the speedo. After that neither the speedo or high-beam lamp lit up. Will need to investigate further....
Also I'm not sure how the switches work. There's a P symbol on the ignition switch and also on the lighting switch so what do you need to do for parking lights and what works and doesn't work when they're on? And who ever uses them anyway?
Suffice to say I was quite pleased and even gave the starter button a prod but there wasn't enough juice to get anything more than clicking.