Post by: UK Pete on July 19, 2014, 07:48:10 PM
Here is the bike as i bought it, the head and barrels are off a later bike, there are no brackets or fixings whatsoever, just an incomplete bottom end of engine, frame, swingarm, wrinkle tank, oil tank, wheels, and a couple of beat up guards
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/__57.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/2.JPG)
As you my well see there is a hell of a lot missing but hey beggars cant be choosers,
The parts i most need are carbs, head and barrels, 9 hole clutch cover, double cut front guard, complete front brake set up
First of all i was itching to get the engine apart, fully expecting to find all sorts of nasty surprises, firstly i removed the studs, never an easy job especially on a 45 year beat up old engine
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_001.JPG)
Then the moment of truth, open up the cases
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_004.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_008.JPG)
Well all i can say is thank you god, the inside is in perfect unworn condition, the only mess in there was a small mouse nest, all the bearings were oiled and smooth running, the crank and its shells look as good as a bike thats only done 100 miles 0% wear, all gear cogs intact, and best of all no nasty chain break damage to the casings,
I have to say i have never been so excited about a bike restoration like i am about this one, guys its official i have SANCAST FEVER , and i have got it real bad,
bye for now
pete
Post by: Green1 on July 19, 2014, 08:07:43 PM
Looks like you've got your work cut out.
Mick
Post by: Trigger on July 19, 2014, 08:18:18 PM
Post by: UK Pete on July 19, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
Graham, yes you got it right it is the one from fat freddy (will dawkins ) from classic bike imorts
Post by: mick on July 19, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
make sure you post plenty of photos as you find / do stuff ;) cheers Mick.
Post by: UK Pete on July 20, 2014, 07:33:08 AM
it helps to keep the interest alive, plus i can look back and enjoy, i still have my 69 diecast on the go at the same time , i wont be giving up on that, things will just go on ahead at whatever pace suits me , no point in rushing
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 20, 2014, 08:06:12 AM
Cheers ... AshD
Post by: UK Pete on July 20, 2014, 09:29:00 AM
DK is a lucky dipp i have had some real clean low milage parts from them, on the other hand i have had some total heaps of shit at the same price as the good stuff, on the whole i think they are ok, it is a lucky dip with engines, but other parts have good up close pictures so its a bit easier to determine
pete
Post by: UK Pete on July 21, 2014, 04:29:24 PM
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_003.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/setember_10th_till_22__2012_Alanya_holiday_photos_017.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/setember_10th_till_22__2012_Alanya_holiday_photos_016.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/setember_10th_till_22__2012_Alanya_holiday_photos_021.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/setember_10th_till_22__2012_Alanya_holiday_photos_023.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/setember_10th_till_22__2012_Alanya_holiday_photos_024.JPG)
Post by: Bryanj on July 21, 2014, 05:31:05 PM
Post by: RGP750 on July 21, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
there are internal paints available to counteract possible porosity.
www.dialpatterns.co.uk
Rich
Post by: UK Pete on July 21, 2014, 07:17:54 PM
pete
Post by: mickwinf on July 21, 2014, 07:37:10 PM
Post by: Green1 on July 21, 2014, 07:46:41 PM
I can't even find the time to wash mine.
I only mended my speedo today as I was stopped by the Oinks the other day.
Mick
Post by: UK Pete on July 21, 2014, 07:49:59 PM
those cases look a bit rough, get the dremell out and polish them smooth :D
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Post by: JamesH on July 21, 2014, 08:22:04 PM
As a patternmaker and supplier of castings it's nice to see a closeup of the cases.Crikey Rich - didn't realise what you did for the day job. Those Crosswaithe & gardiner re-creations are amazing....was chatting with the Solidworks rep about those guys recently and he said they were an amazing firm. Incredible whats tucked away in the sussex / kent countryside...
there are internal paints available to counteract possible porosity.
www.dialpatterns.co.uk
Rich
Post by: UK Pete on July 21, 2014, 08:31:12 PM
Going well Pete(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/jobs/policeman-smiley-emoticon-1.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
I can't even find the time to wash mine.
I only mended my speedo today as I was stopped by the Oinks the other day.
Mick
Post by: UK Pete on July 22, 2014, 09:59:48 PM
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/setember_10th_till_22__2012_Alanya_holiday_photos_032.JPG)
All trussed up ready for spraying
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/003%7E9.JPG)
All sprayed up
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/004%7E7.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/006%7E5.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/009%7E6.JPG)
lots of rough casting snots
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_009.JPG)
The paint was almost perfect match for the original engine finish i found in the starter cover
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_007.JPG)
Post by: UK Pete on July 31, 2014, 07:30:33 AM
The wife has gone out for a couple of hours when she comes back she will go ballistic, oh well shit happens (http://yoursmiles.org/bsmile/fun/b0201.gif) (http://yoursmiles.org/b-fun.php)(http://yoursmiles.org/bsmile/fun/b0201.gif) (http://yoursmiles.org/b-fun.php)(http://yoursmiles.org/bsmile/fun/b0201.gif) (http://yoursmiles.org/b-fun.php)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_016.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_017.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_018.JPG)
Post by: Trigger on July 31, 2014, 07:41:07 AM
Post by: RGP750 on July 31, 2014, 05:33:02 PM
When i showed the missus the pictures I can't repeat what she said, ;D ;D
Post by: JamesH on July 31, 2014, 06:38:13 PM
Looks more edible that what comes out of our oven:-) classic
Post by: UK Pete on July 31, 2014, 07:07:02 PM
Pete, what paint did you use ? To save any trouble with the missis, it is best to buy an old oven from a second hand shop and put it in your garage/workshop. You could of got the dremal out and smoothed those casing's off o bit ;) ;) ;)
I have an oven for that purpose in the garage, but the bugger did not fit in that one, i use simoniz, engine enamel
pete
Post by: UK Pete on July 31, 2014, 07:09:39 PM
Bloody hell, Is she understanding or did you get castrated.
When i showed the missus the pictures I can't repeat what she said, ;D ;D
I got clean away it , she would go ballistic if she found out, but it just goes to show what she don,t know won't hurt her, just hope she dont read these forums
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 31, 2014, 07:35:31 PM
Bloody hell, Is she understanding or did you get castrated.
When i showed the missus the pictures I can't repeat what she said, ;D ;D
I got clean away it , she would go ballistic if she found out, but it just goes to show what she don,t know won't hurt her, just hope she dont read these forums
pete
How did you hide the smell of the paint fumes Pete?
Post by: UK Pete on July 31, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
which is a bad smell to have in the house, so she had a moan at me and went out, so when she came back there was a smell still lingering and she must have thought that it was the smelly bike and said no more,
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on July 31, 2014, 08:15:44 PM
I was working on my honda chopper, and was reving it up with the door open and the house filled up with the smell of a bike running rich
which is a bad smell to have in the house, so she had a moan at me and went out, so when she came back there was a smell still lingering and she must have thought that it was the smelly bike and said no more,
pete
I'm going to keep mine quiet by letting her eBay loads of my spare Honda parts on her own eBay account and letting her keep the winnings ;).
Chickening out on using her oven again though, I have found an old built in one at work to use. don't want to get a roasting for using hers :D
Cheers .. Ash
Post by: Green1 on July 31, 2014, 09:39:14 PM
Mick
Post by: Spitfire on August 01, 2014, 09:07:36 AM
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z244/DennisMcc/cleaning%20and%20painting%20the%20engine/HeadinOven.jpg)
Post by: AshimotoK0 on August 01, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
Luckily my wife is very understanding and wasn't fazed by the smell.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z244/DennisMcc/cleaning%20and%20painting%20the%20engine/HeadinOven.jpg)
That's one amazingly clean oven u have there Spitfire !!
Post by: UK Pete on August 01, 2014, 04:11:38 PM
pete
Post by: Spitfire on August 01, 2014, 04:38:24 PM
Cheers
Den
Post by: Trigger on August 01, 2014, 08:02:10 PM
Post by: UK Pete on September 16, 2014, 05:47:30 PM
I had a few hours spare today so i got the frame out for inspection, well i have to say the frame is very solid, it is hard to believe that its 45 years old, frames dont stay in that conditition here in the UK
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_012.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_011.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_010.JPG)
Anyway the only repair needed to the frame is the side stand bracket, it seems quite common for these brackets to get ripped off, usually by kickstarting the bike while standing on the footpegs with it on side stand
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_003%7E1.JPG)
Out with the chisel and angle grinder and off with the remains of the old bracket
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_004%7E2.JPG)
My new side stand bracket arrived , i have to say fair play to will from classic bike imports (the guy i bought this bike from) he kindly sent me a piece of frame with the bracket on , so i ground off the welds and got the bracket off and cleaned it up ready to weld on
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_008%7E0.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_009%7E0.JPG)
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 16, 2014, 06:17:39 PM
Funnily enough my '69 UK K0 had a very nice frame with hardly any corrosion. I had it power coated (sorry Kettle738 ! ) but my 400/4 was stove enamelled by the 'Nutter Brothers'. Going to smooth Hammerite my CB250K0 as I have some NOS stuff before they changed its formula.
Cheers .. Ash
Post by: UK Pete on September 16, 2014, 07:22:04 PM
but i like the powder coated look, i have done my f2 and k0 with powdercoat, however i am undecided on the sandcast, perhaps i should spray it
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 16, 2014, 11:14:22 PM
Thanks Ash, talking about powder coating frames i think for our uk climate it is a good idea, i realise honda probably sprayed the early frames and very thinly at that
but i like the powder coated look, i have done my f2 and k0 with powdercoat, however i am undecided on the sandcast, perhaps i should spray it
pete
I think I have read somewhere that the CB750's frames were coated with a very very crude early form of powder coating that's why there is the mysterious funny grey coating under the black. May have dreamt it though ::)
Cheers .. Ash
Post by: sand5858 on September 26, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
I would also like to join in with a congratulations on your new project. You have happily taken a lot of pictures of all your projects, unfortunately I did not and I regret it now because a part of the restaurant is also taking pictures and maybe help others.
Have you thought about were you are going to buy a new front fender to the Honda- Yamiya I'm even looking for a new front fender for my bike his is expensive but god repro..
Having written this into Google translate hope you understand this.
Only if you are interested I have a cam cover unfortunately cromed, and a brake caliper
Regards
Tony
Post by: UK Pete on September 26, 2014, 07:31:55 PM
It gives me great pleasure to photo every step of the restoration , and makes ne very happy that people enjoy looking
Pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 26, 2014, 07:45:58 PM
Hi tony , I am on the look out for a caliper and front guard the yamiya front guards are to expensive,the ones from Vietnam are very poorly made, good secondhand ones are. Difficult to find so I will wait to see what turns up, I would be interested in your caliper let me know if its tokico 1 or 2 and how much you want,
It gives me great pleasure to photo every step of the restoration , and makes ne very happy that people enjoy looking
Pete
Don't agree on the Vietnam front fender Pete. I bought one unchromed and showed it to ChrisR and he said he would happily fit one to one of his bikes, so his endorsement was good enough for me. But you have to hassle 'Eric' that you want a good one and to take extra care. Those Yamiya ones are just a plain ripoff. Maybe it's because Eric thought I was a 'female' Ashley :-[ until Kerry on the SOOC put him right.
Cheers Ash
Post by: MarkCR750 on September 26, 2014, 10:40:39 PM
Kerry is a girls name isn't it?Hi tony , I am on the look out for a caliper and front guard the yamiya front guards are to expensive,the ones from Vietnam are very poorly made, good secondhand ones are. Difficult to find so I will wait to see what turns up, I would be interested in your caliper let me know if its tokico 1 or 2 and how much you want,
It gives me great pleasure to photo every step of the restoration , and makes ne very happy that people enjoy looking
Pete
Don't agree on the Vietnam front fender Pete. I bought one unchromed and showed it to ChrisR and he said he would happily fit one to one of his bikes, so his endorsement was good enough for me. But you have to hassle 'Eric' that you want a good one and to take extra care. Those Yamiya ones are just a plain ripoff. Maybe it's because Eric thought I was a 'female' Ashley :-[ until Kerry on the SOOC put him right.
Cheers Ash
Post by: sand5858 on September 27, 2014, 07:39:11 AM
I've been out in my garage to see the brake caliper I was talking about but unfortunately it is a Tokico 8 I have not so good for your Sandcast.
I will check up with a few friends if they have a Tokico 1 or 2
Regards
Tony
Post by: JamesH on September 27, 2014, 09:13:47 AM
Ash have you got any photos of the Vietnam fender. I may need to order a couple (don't mind chroming them)..JamesHi tony , I am on the look out for a caliper and front guard the yamiya front guards are to expensive,the ones from Vietnam are very poorly made, good secondhand ones are. Difficult to find so I will wait to see what turns up, I would be interested in your caliper let me know if its tokico 1 or 2 and how much you want,
It gives me great pleasure to photo every step of the restoration , and makes ne very happy that people enjoy looking
Pete
Don't agree on the Vietnam front fender Pete. I bought one unchromed and showed it to ChrisR and he said he would happily fit one to one of his bikes, so his endorsement was good enough for me. But you have to hassle 'Eric' that you want a good one and to take extra care. Those Yamiya ones are just a plain ripoff. Maybe it's because Eric thought I was a 'female' Ashley :-[ until Kerry on the SOOC put him right.
Cheers Ash
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 27, 2014, 09:25:34 AM
Ash have you got any photos of the Vietnam fender. I may need to order a couple (don't mind chroming them)..JamesHi tony , I am on the look out for a caliper and front guard the yamiya front guards are to expensive,the ones from Vietnam are very poorly made, good secondhand ones are. Difficult to find so I will wait to see what turns up, I would be interested in your caliper let me know if its tokico 1 or 2 and how much you want,
It gives me great pleasure to photo every step of the restoration , and makes ne very happy that people enjoy looking
Pete
Don't agree on the Vietnam front fender Pete. I bought one unchromed and showed it to ChrisR and he said he would happily fit one to one of his bikes, so his endorsement was good enough for me. But you have to hassle 'Eric' that you want a good one and to take extra care. Those Yamiya ones are just a plain ripoff. Maybe it's because Eric thought I was a 'female' Ashley :-[ until Kerry on the SOOC put him right.
Cheers Ash
Will do it over weekend. Mine is not chromed yet. If polished I was quoted 35 GBP to chrome it by Quality Chrome in Hull as there should be no prep work. I only wanted the blade undrilled but he sent me the lot. He hand makes them but told me he also has a press tool but it belongs to his Japanese customer who won't let him press them for a third party. Have not spoken to him since 2011 so will send him an email.
Cheers ..Ash
Post by: JamesH on September 27, 2014, 11:30:11 AM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 27, 2014, 01:55:47 PM
Thanks Ash appreciate it.
No Prob.. here is his amusing email to me :-[
Dear honda_four_rider,
Thank you Ashley
I will fix it now
I have a personal question I want to ask you, I hope you not offense it
are you a man or woman? because I see Ashley name.
I hope you not get mad at me. when I ask this silly question.
Thank you, and we appreciate for your business
Eric
Voice Mail: 949-544-1128 USA
www.hondaclassic31.com
Post by: UK Pete on September 27, 2014, 07:44:13 PM
and major blemishes in the chrome,also it was obviously badly hand made and not even straight, i complained to him he promised me a replacement , this went on for a long time till it was too late to complain, he just played me for a mug,with no intention of sending another, i put this down to a bad experience, i suppose i could get it chromed again i managed to straighten it out myself
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 27, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
Ash i bought one of his double cut front guards it came to me rusty on the underside
and major blemishes in the chrome,also it was obviously badly hand made and not even straight, i complained to him he promised me a replacement , this went on for a long time till it was too late to complain, he just played me for a mug,with no intention of sending another, i put this down to a bad experience, i suppose i could get it chromed again i managed to straighten it out myself
pete
Hmm yes that's why I asked him to sell me it unchromed and he then started offering them to everyone unchromed. Must admit it was a bit rusty underneath but then again it was 'raw' metal as he calls it but spot on on the top and polished like chrome! Problem is Yamiya's repro's are unreasonably expensive and the ones on eBay are usually in the US and mega expensive too plus the usual 80 quid to get it here, what with the customs/shipping etc., plus at least 100 to get rechromed. ChrisR send one to the chromers that was original and good and the chromers polished the cut edges so much it was as thin as a razor blade and was scrap!
One idea I had before 'Eric' offered them and I even started doing it, was to chop two cut sections from a standard guard and tig weld it under the mudguard stays onto another cut down one, then dress up/fill etc with metal and have chromed. That double-cut guard looks so cool to me. I know it's a ridiculous obsession with me (unhealthy one at that) but a K0 just looks wrong without it. :(
I could ask Dave Silver if he can consider making them. He can only at worst say no. Also I will re-contact Eric and ask what his current production is like and take up your case with him. I will also email Kerry (KP) to see if he has had any joy as I know he buys them from him. He also makes HM300 NoNo pipes and I have photographs of them and Kerry's appraisal of them but again that was in 2011.
Cheers ... Ash
Post by: UK Pete on September 27, 2014, 09:42:22 PM
Eric has changed his ebay handle since i bought from him, it was a few years ago now, i will have to get it out the loft then i can photo it and show you
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 28, 2014, 02:07:53 AM
Thats interesting that kerry approves , they are usually so particular on sooc,
Eric has changed his ebay handle since i bought from him, it was a few years ago now, i will have to get it out the loft then i can photo it and show you
pete
Pete .. not sure if KP actually approved it but he was asking Eric to select him a good one as I remember, so interesting to see how he got on too.
Cheers ... Ash
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2014, 01:01:40 AM
Hi Ash
It all comes down to price. The best option is to simply pay the going rate for a double cut mudguard or buy one from Eric. I bought 2 and was perfectly satisfied with the product. I used them on my die cast bikes as the original ones were missing. Sure they are a little rough but, buy the fender without chrome and not assembled (as you did) and you really can't go wrong for the price Use an original set of frame supports and honda fittings and I doubt anyone could ever pick it. My view is he does a good job for the price and compared to Yamiya repop double cut, Eric's are bargains
KP
Post by: UK Pete on October 01, 2014, 06:55:44 AM
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2014, 08:28:52 AM
Nice bit of detective work ash, you are real busy getting in touch with people and sorting things out recently, you are a real asset to this forum , well done
pete
It's what comes from emerging from that black , hole earlier this year. Really happy now and love my job now ::). Honestly, I really enjoy contributing here .. and I hate myself and other members here getting ripped off. This is by far the best forum.
Still need to photo my 'Eric' K0 fender 'blade' and post on here.. just been a bit busy this week.
Cheers .. Ash
Post by: UK Pete on October 01, 2014, 09:56:49 AM
And yes you atre right this a bloody good forum, since I have been down a bit lately I have had 5 pm,s of support, what a great bunch of fellas you lot are
Pete
Post by: UK Pete on October 30, 2014, 06:55:32 PM
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Post by: UK Pete on October 31, 2014, 05:16:57 PM
Yesterday i thought this would be a doddle probably an hour or two's work, how wrong could i be, my blaster just was not getting through the two layers of paint very quickly if atal in places, so i whipped out and got some paint stripper, quick word of advise do not ever by nitromores stripper, its expensive and totally shit, it just would not lift the paint, so i was out side till 11 last night trying to scrape off soft paint with a stanley blade and then go over it with a scotchbrite wheel on the drill, this got a good deal of it off so this morning i did more scraping , more blasting and more scotchwheeling and ended up with a shiney bare metal frame, all i can say is thank goodness that is over
now i have the problem of finding a doner frame and getting the seat hinges cut off and welded on to my frame as some mother f--er ground them off, as well as the side stand bracket which i have just done
now with all this moisture in the air at this time of year it would be stupid to leave it bare metal, so i have sprayed it up with some rust preventing primer till i get the seat bracket situation sorted, that way it wont start rusting in a hurry, i also wrapped it in a blanket then boxed it up and have stashed it
Take a look there is absolutely no rust on this frame, the very light surface rust that was there came clean off with the blaster, so them two layers of awkward paint done the job, other than the ground off brackets you could not wish for a better 45 year old frame
pete
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Post by: Trigger on October 31, 2014, 05:46:13 PM
were the original sand cast frames stove enamel?
Post by: UK Pete on October 31, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
pete
Post by: RGP750 on October 31, 2014, 05:58:15 PM
Post by: Trigger on October 31, 2014, 06:03:26 PM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 31, 2014, 06:27:29 PM
I think people are mixed on powder coating. Kettle738 hates it but ChrisR always uses it, for sake of durability plus he actively rides all of his bikes including sandcasts. I did read somewhere, but probably dreamt it in reality ::), that the CB750 was coated in a really early form of powder coating, and there is always a strange light-grey coating under the 'paint' on the unmolested frames I have seen. There was a guy from Leeds on our cruise propping the bar up every night and turns out he owns the largest powder coating company in Leeds. As soon as I told him I knew about powder coating, he filled me in on all of the technicalities. He says he's got abrasive blasters but also a chemical dipping plant that will remove powder coating. He told me that the process is over well over 50 years old, which surprised me. Sadly, he had also just latched onto a dodgy Glaswegian couple who were totally pi**ed and the guy pinched my wife's ar*e, so I backed out of what was an interesting conversation :( Should be able to trace him though (the powder coater guy, not the Glaswegian !)
cheers ... Ash
Post by: UK Pete on October 31, 2014, 07:00:02 PM
As for spraying the frame verses powder coat , there is another element you have to consider, for example whatever surface the baster leaves is what your going to get on your finished frame , for example my k0 frame must of had forward footrests or crash bars at one stage of its life, where they fix to the frame the clamps were over tightened and left indents in the frame, these are clearly visible as are many other marks, where as if you do yourself there is the chance to perfect the finish if you require
What did your wife say when he pinched her arse LOL
Pete
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 31, 2014, 07:09:11 PM
Yes your right ash the two most important parts of the sandcast are the frame and engine and yep thank goodness they are real good, the rest of the parts crop up all over the place, as you know my finance situation has stopped me buying any big ticket items , like chrome and other bits but there is no excuse for not getting stuck in with hard restoration work myself, so that is what i am doing, i had so many pm's from people on the sandcast site and over here saying just buy the sandcast or someone else will and you will regret it , to be honest i had in my mind already committed to buying it , i dont listen to the negative comments , i know what i like and want in life , i still get excited when i think of how my sandcast and K0 will come out eventually, now that is an illness ha ha
As for spraying the frame verses powder coat , there is another element you have to consider, for example whatever surface the baster leaves is what your going to get on your finished frame , for example my k0 frame must of had forward footrests or crash bars at one stage of its life, where they fix to the frame the clamps were over tightened and left indents in the frame, these are clearly visible as are many other marks, where as if you do yourself there is the chance to perfect the finish if you require
What did your wife say when he pinched her arse LOL
Pete
pete
Well it's funny cos another guy had just pinched the Glaswegians wifes ar*e and for some reason she had had a go at the guys wife using the dreaded 'C' word, which my wife can't stand, so Cathy (my wife ) walked away and then got here own pinched. She writes plays so it all went down in the little book.
My K0 frame is still bare if you need any seat bracket measurements but I guess you can get these off your K0 anyway.
Cheers ... Ash
Post by: UK Pete on October 31, 2014, 07:27:54 PM
i contacted will about the brackets but the frame he has is on ebay and i cant justify the asking price for two small brackets,
richard is going to look into making up the brackets, so i will see how that pans out, and he will be able to take measurements from his k0 hopefully
pete
Post by: UK Pete on November 01, 2014, 01:39:06 PM
Thats funny about the wifes arse ash ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i contacted will about the brackets but the frame he has is on ebay and i cant justify the asking price for two small brackets,
richard is going to look into making up the brackets, so i will see how that pans out, and he will be able to take measurements from his k0 hopefully
pete
Post by: UK Pete on November 01, 2014, 07:21:42 PM
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/002~6.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/001~11.JPG)
Post by: Bitsa (Ralph Wright - RIP) on November 01, 2014, 07:23:52 PM
who is doing the inspection you or the animal mate? ;D ;D ;D
Cheers
Bitsa
Post by: Trigger on November 01, 2014, 07:26:04 PM
Post by: UK Pete on November 01, 2014, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: Green1 on November 01, 2014, 07:59:39 PM
Mick
Post by: Bitsa (Ralph Wright - RIP) on November 01, 2014, 08:10:50 PM
Sad
Bitsa
Post by: martin_uk on November 17, 2014, 02:37:44 PM
As you can see from my previous post i am tackling the blasting and painting of my frame myself,this is for two reasons, number 1 is i just dont trust anyone to do it with the same care and attention that i will, and reason 2 is i usually powdercoat but this de values the sandcast , it is a big no no when you speak to any sandcast owner restorer, oh yes there is a third reason , i do not have the money to pay someone else
Yesterday i thought this would be a doddle probably an hour or two's work, how wrong could i be, my blaster just was not getting through the two layers of paint very quickly if atal in places, so i whipped out and got some paint stripper, quick word of advise do not ever by nitromores stripper, its expensive and totally shit, it just would not lift the paint, so i was out side till 11 last night trying to scrape off soft paint with a stanley blade and then go over it with a scotchbrite wheel on the drill, this got a good deal of it off so this morning i did more scraping , more blasting and more scotchwheeling and ended up with a shiney bare metal frame, all i can say is thank goodness that is over
now i have the problem of finding a doner frame and getting the seat hinges cut off and welded on to my frame as some mother f--er ground them off, as well as the side stand bracket which i have just done
now with all this moisture in the air at this time of year it would be stupid to leave it bare metal, so i have sprayed it up with some rust preventing primer till i get the seat bracket situation sorted, that way it wont start rusting in a hurry, i also wrapped it in a blanket then boxed it up and have stashed it
Take a look there is absolutely no rust on this frame, the very light surface rust that was there came clean off with the blaster, so them two layers of awkward paint done the job, other than the ground off brackets you could not wish for a better 45 year old frame
pete
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_002~3.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_001~5.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_004~4.JPG)
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(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_007~2.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_009~3.JPG)
I see you are after seat hinges.
I have a later K frame CB750-2106621 that could be used as a donor if they are the same?
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5610/15192185793_213d35a284_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/p9tVxP)2014_1117kframe0004 (https://flic.kr/p/p9tVxP) by nitram2010 (https://www.flickr.com/people/46578358@N07/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7575/15811641245_54f27762ef_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/q6dN5e)2014_1117kframe0001 (https://flic.kr/p/q6dN5e) by nitram2010 (https://www.flickr.com/people/46578358@N07/), on Flickr
The projections are 15mm wide and 54mm from edge to edge
Post by: UK Pete on November 17, 2014, 05:55:04 PM
Just out of interest is your frame a scrap frame?
pete
Post by: Bitsa (Ralph Wright - RIP) on November 17, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
Cheers
Bitsa
Post by: martin_uk on November 17, 2014, 07:23:39 PM
Could be fixed, but I dont have V5 for it, so could be used for parts unless someone fancies taking on a project?
Post by: Bitsa (Ralph Wright - RIP) on November 17, 2014, 07:25:33 PM
Thats fair enough mate good for you to offer your services
Cheers
Bitsa
Post by: UK Pete on November 17, 2014, 07:29:02 PM
pete
Post by: K2-K6 on November 17, 2014, 07:45:24 PM
Thanks, nigel.
Post by: MCTID on November 19, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
Post by: UK Pete on November 25, 2014, 10:36:12 PM
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_005~4.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_004~5.JPG)
Post by: Green1 on November 25, 2014, 10:51:03 PM
It's amazing how good the original chrome can be on Yankee bikes.
My bike from Colorado is totally rust free just a little faded but the one from Virginia is pretty grotty
Mick
Post by: Green1 on December 20, 2014, 01:05:51 PM
Mick
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/pearmanandson/hinge022_zps99a72d9b.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/pearmanandson/media/hinge022_zps99a72d9b.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/pearmanandson/hinge021_zpsa2b49392.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/pearmanandson/media/hinge021_zpsa2b49392.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/pearmanandson/hinge020_zps18dbd527.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/pearmanandson/media/hinge020_zps18dbd527.jpg.html)
Post by: Green1 on December 20, 2014, 04:05:19 PM
The part of the tube that is still there goes to the outside of the frame.
Mick
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/pearmanandson/hinges002_zps7d03fbce.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/pearmanandson/media/hinges002_zps7d03fbce.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/pearmanandson/hinges001_zpsb684d2bf.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/pearmanandson/media/hinges001_zpsb684d2bf.jpg.html)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/pearmanandson/hinges003_zps60aa2fa2.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/pearmanandson/media/hinges003_zps60aa2fa2.jpg.html)
Post by: Bitsa (Ralph Wright - RIP) on December 20, 2014, 06:58:19 PM
Is that inner tube battery any good? ;) ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
Post by: Green1 on December 20, 2014, 07:02:19 PM
Mick
Post by: Bitsa (Ralph Wright - RIP) on December 20, 2014, 07:04:41 PM
Cheers
Ralph
Post by: hairygit on December 20, 2014, 07:42:11 PM
Great but I assume only when pumped up ;) ;)yeah, it won't start the motor if it's flat:)):))
Cheers
Ralph
Post by: Bitsa (Ralph Wright - RIP) on December 20, 2014, 08:07:39 PM
Love it
Cheers
Bitsa
Post by: UK Pete on September 23, 2015, 05:26:25 PM
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/002~7.JPG)
Once lined up using a jig richard made me from his frame i welded up and primed
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/008~7.JPG)
Then i hung the frame up and sprayed the bugger myself, i just dont trust other peoples work and have had to many disappointments in the past, it has come out great and the gloss level is a perfect match for an original NOS footpeg which i used for reference, a couple of bloody fly's landed on the drying paint so i have that to deal with but that is easily done,
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_005~5.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_008~3.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_006~3.JPG)
So i have the battery box, tool tray, footpegs, and swing arm to do next, then i can crack on with other bits, it would be nice to get the engine done , so i will report back with the progress on that when i get stuck in
pete
Post by: royhall on September 23, 2015, 05:34:13 PM
Post by: JamesH on September 23, 2015, 06:15:54 PM
Post by: NigelWilmshurst on September 23, 2015, 07:04:38 PM
Keep the photos coming
Nigel
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 23, 2015, 07:06:49 PM
Nice to see you back at it Pete. Looks like a lovely finish. James
+1 Which paint did you use Pete?
Post by: MCTID on September 23, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
Post by: RGP750 on September 23, 2015, 09:05:45 PM
Great looking job, Glad your'e back
Rich
Post by: UK Pete on September 24, 2015, 07:19:49 AM
I have tried several paints , and made a decision that the nearest i could find to the old honda finish is hammerite, yes i did say hammerite, it is a f---cking useless paint when it comes to coverage you have to build up so many layers, the trick is buy a tin of black smooth thin it with 2k thinners and spray it firstly with thin misting coats then a couple thick
It takes forever to dry but i won't be using the frame for a good while so i will hang it up in a warm place and let it set, if after all that it turns out no good then i can always blast it off and start again, but saying all that it is drying quite well
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 24, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Cheers
Post by: RGP750 on September 24, 2015, 02:06:34 PM
the formulation,it is pretty s**t now unless as Pete says 50 thin coats and a day at 90 degrees to dry.
Good luck
Post by: hairygit on September 24, 2015, 03:32:03 PM
) which I understand is sh#t 
Post by: UK Pete on September 24, 2015, 04:52:50 PM
The finish on hammerite is superb if you can get it on ok, as rich says the formula is shite now it seems to lack pigmentation and so needs many coats
pete
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 24, 2015, 09:28:12 PM
You may be lucky with an old tin Ash hopefully it was made before they cocked up
the formulation,it is pretty s**t now unless as Pete says 50 thin coats and a day at 90 degrees to dry.
Good luck
The CB250K had mega thin paint anyway Rich ;D, so it will be bog standard then ;D ! How do I tell if its old or new formula?
A new guy at work's best buddy owns a large refinishing outfit, perhaps they will bung my frames in their oven. seem to remember I fixed something for him once, and I wouldn't take payment.
Post by: RGP750 on September 25, 2015, 10:07:28 AM
If you spray it and the part goes black it's the old good stuff if you have to spray it
5 times and it still doesn't look black it's the new stuff ;D ;D
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 25, 2015, 04:43:07 PM
You'll know Ash
If you spray it and the part goes black it's the old good stuff if you have to spray it
5 times and it still doesn't look black it's the new stuff ;D ;D
Bit of bedtime reading for you Rich ;D ;D
http://hazard.com/msds/gn.cgi?query=Hammerite&whole=partial&start=0
http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=97920
Post by: Green1 on September 28, 2015, 08:53:59 PM
Didn't like the hinges I sent you then. ;)
Mick
Post by: UK Pete on September 28, 2015, 09:14:40 PM
pete
Post by: Green1 on September 28, 2015, 09:41:10 PM
Post by: UK Pete on February 13, 2016, 06:16:31 PM
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_013~1.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_012~0.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_008~4.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_006~4.JPG)
(http://cb750sandcastonly.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10004/sandcast_003~4.JPG)
Post by: yozzer74 on February 13, 2016, 07:38:25 PM
Post by: UK Pete on February 13, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
Post by: K2-K6 on February 13, 2016, 09:13:54 PM
Post by: UK Pete on February 14, 2016, 01:08:03 PM
pete