Honda-SOHC
Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: cantarauk on February 13, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
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Hi,
Would anyone know what the basic requirements are to get a bike street legal in the UK. Currently the plan is to rebuild the bike but very minimalistic.
Included so far for the build are the basics
- Headlight with high beam
- Brake light (black smoke in colour) connected to front brake only
- Rear indicators
- Speedo
- Killswitch
- license plate no light
- No front or rear mud guard but rear style cafe cowl
What else would be required to legally get this on the road
G
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A horn springs to mind.
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1) Front mudguards aren't part of the MoT, but they are required by C&U. This also applies for the rear
2) You need a tail/brake light to show red, when on (unless you go for a day time MOT only)
3) You don't need a speedo for MOT
4) If the bike is fitted with a side light or the switch, it must work
5) You need front indicators to go with the rear ones.
6) You will need a rear brake light as well as a front if the bike was built after 1986 (tricky one, seeing you are building it this year)
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Adding to Trigger and Julie's..... Am I correct in reading you want a rear brake light but mention no rear light,but want a headlight?
If you have a headlight you must have a rear light that works with the headlight, AND if you have lights you must have a license plate illumination light.
Speedo is C+U too.
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A bike without all the above mentioned, is not fit for purpose or fit to ride on todays roads, as an ornament it's great, to my mind if someone wants minimalist get a bicycle, some years ago a friend of mine was crippled by someone riding a daylight MOT bike at night, just my view.
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Seems a bit harsh to declare all daylight MOT'd bikes not fit for purpose because some idiot road one at night.
I have a bike on daylight MOT that I use frequently, and sensibly.
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I once had a 750cc Norton Atlas race bike on the road that was on a daylight only MOT, I was like Cinderella trying to get home before dark. To make it even more impractical, it was bump start only and had no tickover, or stand of any kind. The frame was a genuine Manx one, wish I'd kept that.
One summer night, after I was caught out by the dark (while playing pool in a pub), I followed a bus from Bentham home to Lancaster, the driver must have wondered what the heck that racket was coming from behind, every time he stopped to pick up passengers.
(https://s5.postimg.org/4nwxwjxef/Atlas002crop.jpg)
I found a photo, note the bulb horn, also the open clutch - we wore flared jeans then, I used to keep a bicycle clip in my leather jacket. That single seat cost me a very nice girlfriend, who elected to go out with my mate, with a dual seat on his bike, instead. The tax disc proves it was legal(ish) I think Frank Shepherd must've turned a blind eye to the brake light for the MOT, unless the rules were different then, as it had no electrics whatsoever ( magneto ignition). I did get good at hand signals though.
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Seems a bit harsh to declare all daylight MOT'd bikes not fit for purpose because some idiot road one at night.
I have a bike on daylight MOT that I use frequently, and sensibly.
Tell that to the bloke in the wheelchair.
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All vehicles are dangerous in the wrong hands, lets justify it to all victims or ban all vehicles.
I've got bike with no lights that I don't use in the dark, in tunnels or in fog, it's a trials bike with a 2.6L tank. The starter of this post clearly wants lights but is trying to find the easiest way to get an MOT.
Aren't bike forums normally full of people wanting less rules and restrictions?
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Every bike and rider is a different character, that is unless you own and ride a sandcast ;)
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I bought my first bike without permission from anyone in my family, as I knew they'd say no.
My Grandfather and I had arguments where he conflated the unfortunate fact that, yes, some people have had fatal accidents on motorcycles, to 'all motorcycles are death traps'.
Surely this argument about unlit bikes is the same thing - because one person rides one like a knob doesn't mean they all are.
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I've had a few bikes on daylight mot's...
I only used them in good visibility. ..easy to do if it's just a bomb around the country side not so great if your touring or doing a few long hauls...
Sold them now as to be honest they were a pain in the arse as I work fairly normal hours only evenings and weekend are riding times....and our evenings are not long enough most of the year and I got fed up going home early....usually in a panic that the light would dissappear
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6) You will need a rear brake light as well as a front if the bike was built after 1986 (tricky one, seeing you are building it this year)
I like the little quirks of the MOT regs. My GSXR750 from 1986 only ever had a brake light switch on the rear pedal (not sure if the front had been removed by the owner who crashed/streetfighter'd it or if Suzuki knew they didn't need to fit one). It was ages before I realised this (think young; stupid; first fast bike) and I was a little surprised :) that a bike that quick wouldn't have one on the front brake....always fun to be able to 'train' the MOT tester on the regulations though. It's a nice loophole now though as it's one less bit of wiring to worry about.
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You don't need brakelights at all if it's not capable of over 25mph. You probably don't need a back wheel either if you try to achieve that through gearing.
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As i am not a psychic and unable to predict when that complete knob comes out of the dark and mows someone down or gets wiped out themselves (shame) i will stay with my first opinion because believe it or not it offers everyone the best protection that can be had where motorcycles are concerned, unfortunately those responsible enough to have daylight MOT's and abide by the rules are yet again penalized by the actions of those that would follow another vehicle home in the dark while only having a daylight MOT.
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I bought a new Suzuki GT 500 in Canada in 1975. The law at that time in Canada was that when the ignition was switched on, the lights also came on. Over the years I got used to switching on the lights - in my car as well as my bikes - when I started the engine....it just seemed common sense to me and although we shouldn't have to do these things, I always think that you are a long time dead, so why not.
Personally I can't understand the thinking behind not showing lights at all times, and not wearing some brightly coloured and reflective kit and therefore being easily seen by all and sundry.
There are some very smart Lawyers out there who will chop you into little pieces in a court of law if you fail to do all that you can to make yourself more visible and if you don't, when that tw*t in the 40 Tonne Truck has flattened you and your bike, they will easily make out to the Magistrate that you were actually an 'Accident waiting to happen'. Honest it happens every week up and down the country.
As a Health and Safety Practitioner I know just how easy it is for clever lawyers to make you out to be the 'Guilty party' - so please don't make it any easier for them.
Ignition on....Lights on.......Hi Vis clothing/ vest/ bright and reflective strips on your clothing/ light or white coloured helmet.
You know it makes sense.
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Ignition on....Lights on.......Hi Vis clothing/ vest/ bright and reflective strips on your clothing/ light or white coloured helmet.
You know it makes sense.
Ignition on - ride the wretched thing... I appreciate and understand the sentiments voiced above but 'motorikes are vulnerable'. Wear what you want to wear; ride what you want to ride; hi-viz makes a lot of sense but it's not for everyone.
....and having written that, I've been driving today and was amazed at how far away I could see some thatchers in hi-viz jackets on a barn roof. about a mile or so away across a field)- which made me realise how much more visible we can be - so it's about approriate visibility items on clothing, not just a huge yellow coat?
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I think Frank Shepherd must've turned a blind eye to the brake light for the MOT, unless the rules were different then, as it had no electrics whatsoever ( magneto ignition).
If you have no lights fitted there is no requirement for brake light. Get a copy of the MOT testers handbook, theres a little side bar of exclusions in the left column.
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m1s01000301.htm
From.....
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m1i00000101.htm
Tom (worked in MOTing)
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Don't get me started on twat car drivers, usually grey cars, that drive round in shitty weather with no lights on whatsoever , in stealth mode. On a recent trip on the M4 in such weather I glanced at the driver to see what kind of idiot they were. In no way am I being sexist here, I'm just reporting what I saw;
17 women idiots before I saw the first male idiot.
Then there's the matrix signs that warn of 'Poor Driving Conditions ' Drivers can see that for themselves, what the signs should read is;
'put your bloody lights on'. and 'don"t drive so bloody close you bunch of twats'
Here endeth the rant,
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Don't stop there Mike, your posts are great. Can't beat a good rant, especially when your right.
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The one that annoys me is riders on their hands free phones and looking at their little GPS, they have mounted between the handle bars.
Had a accident with another rider 3 years ago, who was on the phone to his missus and did not see me sitting behind him for sometime before I went to overtake him and then he decided to overtake the truck in front of him when I was up the side of him.
Hi Viz doesn't work if no one is looking at you :o
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I find the problem with hi vis jackets these days is they are used by so many people for no apparent reason that they have lost their meaning. When you only saw people wearing them who were in a situation of danger, they stood out, not any more, they just mingle in with all the others that wear them as a fashion statement. And as for those hi vis jackets that have POLITE emblazoned on the back, making it look like POLICE, they really are stupid.
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And......even if your riding your bike with hi vis everything on, all lights on and looking like a mobile Christmas tree, the car driver that ran into you will still say 'i didn't see you'. That's because they weren't bloody looking in the first place >:( >:( >:(
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I find the problem with hi vis jackets these days is they are used by so many people for no apparent reason that they have lost their meaning. When you only saw people wearing them who were in a situation of danger, they stood out, not any more, they just mingle in with all the others that wear them as a fashion statement. And as for those hi vis jackets that have POLITE emblazoned on the back, making it look like POLICE, they really are stupid.
(POLITE)That's usually horse riders. We have a couple near me who also put a blue flashing light under the saddle belt. I thought impersonating a police officer was an offence. Plus, who the hell keeps horses in the middle of a town (Steptoe finished years ago).
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Agree Roy but bike riders also wear them, their choice and right I know but they look bloody stupid.
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I agree with Julie's comment about Hi Viz being so ubiquitous that it loses it's impact. I've got a hi viz Stanley knife in my toolbox, marketed as 'easy to find'. Can't argue with that, it is easy to find. It wouldn't be easy to find if all my tools were hi viz though.
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Nice one Tomb! Couldn't agree more!!
Threads sometimes do this, but hopefully cantarauk can weed through the posts and get some useful information to answer his original question.
Tomb's earlier post with the MOT Testers handbook links could certainly be useful.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/585845/mot-inspection-manual-classes-1-2.pdf
should be the MOT testers manual and tell you all you need to know to pass
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Thank you all for the comments and as mentioned I am weeding through to work out my requirements.
What I forgot to mention was that the bike is a UK 1972 500 that is been converted to a cafe racer of sort. Does that make any difference ?
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Cheers for the link to the document Bryanj will be a good bedtime read
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Don't matter what it has been converted to or had altered still has to conform to C&U regs pluss MOT rules