Post by: royhall on January 06, 2017, 09:19:09 AM
He is of the firm opinion that owning classic bikes such as ours is the worst financial investment for the future that anyone could make.
He points out that since I started on bikes in 1975 at the age of 16, that the bikes we have in our collections today, were back then aspirational. And let’s be honest, who in 1975 didn’t want a Z1. As my age group gets older and dies off, the younger generation will want the bikes that were aspirational to them such as Ducati 916 etc. Therefore there will be many of the bikes we think as classics for sale and the prices will plummet.
He also points out that very few youngsters are getting into motorbikes these days so there will be far fewer customers for our classics anyway. That’s a point that most of us can verify, the Isle of Man boat to the Classic TT is like a Saga Cruise. He thinks the reasons for this are many, but mainly due to legislation and the fact that teenagers are no longer around motorcycles to the extent that we were. Back then many people owned a bike for transport to work as cars were not yet affordable. He thinks that is why my age group still want Triumphs as that’s what our fathers and uncles rode, again aspirational.
He must believe what he says as this shop did have a few restored classics around that have now been sold off. On that point he thinks that most regular classics of the 60/70’s era have found their price ceiling and it is a good time to sell them off whilst there are still loads of customers around.
In my opinion he makes a few fair points, but as a major dealer he is probably only looking at the financial aspects. What price can you put on the enjoyment and interest they provide in the years up to our demise. Plus a lot of our collections wouldn’t be sold whatever, as we can’t stand to see them go. So who cares about the value after were gone?
What do you guys think?
Post by: Trigger on January 06, 2017, 09:53:21 AM
Do people go out and buy a 400 year old painting because they had one when they were younger ;D
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 06, 2017, 09:55:10 AM
Post by: Green1 on January 06, 2017, 10:09:48 AM
It won't be long and you old guys ;D will be finding the 750's to heavy and then probably be selling them on flooding the market.
The 80's bikes are already starting to rocket in value so there heading in the same direction.
I feel like I must be the last of an era that got to experience proper bike shops.There used to be one not far from me that was like going back in time small and cramped with boxes and bits everywhere with overflowing pigeon holes.No mater what you wanted he would have it or get it.The internet auction sites soon put an end to that.
I have also noticed there is a lack of young bikers.They seem to go straight into cars and I believe this is playing a part in the lack of quality drivers out there.There is a lot to be said for starting out on two wheels it makes you appreciate road conditions and how the weather plays its part.
I must be old before my time going by the bikes I'v had and got but who cares I enjoy them and that's all that matters. ;)
Mick
Post by: Johnwebley on January 06, 2017, 10:16:59 AM
Some very interesting points there Roy. I think the 'value' of these old bikes is more far more than monetary. Its sometimes about reliving ones youth, or having something you didn't have but always wanted. Does it really matter if the price goes down in the future, who cares, you can't take a bike with you when you die, nor can you take the money in your bank account. That's why personally, a bike is something that should be used and enjoyed regardless of future monetary values, as enjoyment of something you really love is priceless.
I agree with the nurse,always !!!
but the "genre" of classic has become a popular style of bikes,large sports bikes are loosing sales,custom style and cruisers ,not to mention the "chelsey tractor" GS bikes seem to be increasing,
some time ago Kawasaki did a retro Zepher,same as Honda CB1300 etc,a brand new "classic" looker,,
all our sohc are still very capable bikes,just require a little more looking after,with the advantage that most of the depreciation has gone,so should be appreciating,
there should be a market always,for good classic bikes,maybe not at Franks prices,but who here is holding out to sell a sohc for £25k
in 5 years time?
get out and enjoy it while your young and fit enough,lots of peeps falling of the perch in their 50's now !!
Post by: Chris400F on January 06, 2017, 10:30:59 AM
Some very interesting points there Roy. I think the 'value' of these old bikes is more far more than monetary. Its sometimes about reliving ones youth, or having something you didn't have but always wanted. Does it really matter if the price goes down in the future, who cares, you can't take a bike with you when you die, nor can you take the money in your bank account. That's why personally, a bike is something that should be used and enjoyed regardless of future monetary values, as enjoyment of something you really love is priceless.Julie has hit the nail on the head for me also. Owning my 400 is exactly about reliving my youth, I didn't have one then but always wanted one.
For me the bike is not an investment, but then I only have the one and not a shed full of them.
My children are not remotely interested in bikes so it is unlikely that it will be passed on to either of them.
As for young people riding bikes, I agree there seem to be far fewer than when I was a lad. But back then you could just buy a bike and ride it; nowadays there is a seemingly ever increasing amount of training you have to undergo before you can even turn a wheel on the road, so hardly an incentive.
Post by: royhall on January 06, 2017, 10:52:57 AM
Very interesting Roy, but I have restored and sold a lot of these bikes over the years and not one of those customers had that bike when they were younger. All my customers just like the look of the classic bike and answer me this, why are people going out and buying Harleys, when they never had them when they were younger ?Like the man said Trig, these were the aspirational bikes back in their youth that maybe they couldn't afford, or parents wouldn't allow? Plus how many young (under 25) people come and buy a 500/4. The point he makes is that although its a strong market right now, the customers are mainly aged people that wont remain long term. After that the classic scene (for motorcycles) is finished. This was his view not mine I should point out.
Do people go out and buy a 400 year old painting because they had one when they were younger ;D
Post by: Seabeowner on January 06, 2017, 10:59:52 AM
Certainly a goodly number of importers seem to view the UK as a place to sell at a premium. DK must have bought in many thousands of bikes.
My view is, pick your bikes primarily for using and the hobby and possibly make one choice as a possible long term gainer if you have the space. Many here have the knowledge to choose a genuine bike, so we don’t get fleeced. Always remember eggs and baskets. The Honda 500 bought in 1974 cost about £700 and according to the inflation calculator it is approaching £8k so not much real gain over 43 years.
Roy, I see you have a T100C. Had a new one before the Hondas. I spent 2 years defending Brit bikes against the Jap onslaught, but had to admit defeat with this one.
Post by: royhall on January 06, 2017, 11:37:27 AM
I do wonder though where motorcycling in general is heading. I only know 2 youngsters that are into bikes, and both of those are motorcross riders and don't ride on the road. They consider it to be way too dangerous. That appears to sum up the attitude of the younger people to bikes, and who can blame them as there must be a least double the traffic these days than there was in the 1970's. And when young lads view motorcross to be safer than riding on the road, I think our hobby will (as the man said) die out with my generation.
By the way, the government is proposing to make getting a bike licence even harder than it already is. Another nail in the coffin?
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 06, 2017, 12:00:39 PM
Post by: philward on January 06, 2017, 12:16:17 PM
Post by: hairygit on January 06, 2017, 12:19:08 PM
Post by: MCTID on January 06, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
Or you could buy a decent older bike.....like a 1970-76 CB750 for £5K to £8K, or a CB 500/550/CB400 for £4K to £6K and run it for a year or two and probably get back what you paid for it.........which is a lot better than keeping your dosh in the Bank earning 0.25% interest (legalised theft in my view).
The Dealer may have some fair points regarding long term values..........but if you have ever been to the Pioneer Run (19 March this year from Epsom Racecourse to Brighton) just check out the eye watering prices some of those pre 1914 bikes change hands for........which makes a very powerful argument supporting long term values for highly prized models.
I'll keep buying, selling and riding RHS thank you very much !
Post by: MCTID on January 06, 2017, 03:21:43 PM
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Post by: Tomb on January 06, 2017, 04:31:04 PM
Personally I really couldn't give a monkeys how much my bike is worth, even to the point that I would like it to be worth nothing, that way if I need parts someone will sell parts at what they are REALLY worth rather than some stupidly inflated price because its for an expensive exotic classic. I ride my old bikes because I like them and because I can afford them.
As well as Hondas I have old XS1100's, they are the same era as CBX1000s, Z1000s, but much more usable in real riding conditions, there are still loads of them in use on the road, (the Germans have 5 different clubs just for XS1100s) BUT don't hold a tenth of their counterparts' value. Some of the 4000 members of the US XS1100 forum complain about the low value but I like the fact they are so low valued, if they became valuable the prices of spares would rocket.
I've owned my CB550/CB500s for 32 years, bought when folk were giving them away for silly money as the new GPZ ranges were popular. Now prices for spares are shooting up as they have become popular for the latest craze of Brat Style bikes, I can't wait for that craze to fizzle out so I can get back to cheap parts again.
I have to agree with the dealer.
Post by: paul G on January 06, 2017, 04:51:27 PM
Post by: royhall on January 06, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
So this is the heyday, get out there and enjoy it. :)
Post by: philward on January 06, 2017, 06:11:52 PM
But back to bikes! - we are living in the final stages of enjoying motor cycling - the next generation will be legislated off the road unfortunately.
Post by: Trigger on January 06, 2017, 06:17:53 PM
Very interesting Roy, but I have restored and sold a lot of these bikes over the years and not one of those customers had that bike when they were younger. All my customers just like the look of the classic bike and answer me this, why are people going out and buying Harleys, when they never had them when they were younger ?Like the man said Trig, these were the aspirational bikes back in their youth that maybe they couldn't afford, or parents wouldn't allow? Plus how many young (under 25) people come and buy a 500/4. The point he makes is that although its a strong market right now, the customers are mainly aged people that wont remain long term. After that the classic scene (for motorcycles) is finished. This was his view not mine I should point out.
Do people go out and buy a 400 year old painting because they had one when they were younger ;D
Sold a Blue 400/4 to a 26 year old, a Red 400/4 to a 27 year old and I think Steph 550 is only 25 years old but, have not got a clue why she got into classic bikes.
I recall that CR21 is only 21 years old and just had a look at my records for the past year to find that 80% of the SOHC engines I have built have been to customers under the age of 40.
Post by: K2-K6 on January 06, 2017, 06:40:22 PM
Kodak more or less produced the prototype digital camera but it failed to see or interpret what that future could bring. It was a lot longer process than that which Dr Goldman documents. It was really the rise in computer processing ability coupled with the drop in size and power requirements that came to commercial realisation that brought the original concept to the consumer.
The original view of the dealer seems to be correct. Apart from some niche volumes of trading in vintages bikes there doesn't appear to be much margin in it, this is principally because the supply side is so limited in comparison to gearing up to make new products.
The irony is that it's interesting to us exactly because of that, we are dropping out of the leading commercial trading because we can get what we want without even getting into that whole latest biggest best type scenario that advertising railroads people into.
I've a little detail that a friend gave me that I use to put something of this monetary value into perspective. He bought, under family duress, a people carrier type car for him his wife and three kids, kind of didn't really have the enthusiasm for it but went with it anyway. Two years later, they didn't want it and it lost him £18,000!!!! on selling it. He really got next to nothing for that amount, his feelings not mine. Now I know I could get quite a bit SOHCige for that money and it most likely wouldn't be going down.
If we are not trading them, we are buying experiences, how much is that worth?
Post by: Trigger on January 06, 2017, 06:46:54 PM
Anybody want to but a Honda 400/4 550K3 or a Kawasaki Z650 As I am going to live to be 120 but have no job ;) ;)
I will give you 99p for your 400/4 Paul ;D
Post by: Johnwebley on January 06, 2017, 07:53:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=honda+self+balancing+motorcycle
or
how computers have progressed
Post by: royhall on January 06, 2017, 08:06:21 PM
Dont do it Paul, I will give you two quid. ;DAnybody want to but a Honda 400/4 550K3 or a Kawasaki Z650 As I am going to live to be 120 but have no job ;) ;)
I will give you 99p for your 400/4 Paul ;D
Post by: matthewmosse on January 06, 2017, 11:30:13 PM
Funny thing is though, I'm near broke these days but still couldn't care less about the value of the sohc bikes I own. I'd not sell even though I cannot afford to tax or insure them. They mean too much to me and it would probably be a case of once they were gone they'd be out of reach for the forseeable. Being broke is a tempoary setback due to childcare and unemployment leading to self employment. Selling my precious bikes - over my dead body ( well the 500/4 sidecar and the kh125 anyway. 1978 bmw on the other hand - those can go.
Post by: paul G on January 07, 2017, 08:36:15 AM
Dont do it Paul, I will give you two quid. ;DAnybody want to but a Honda 400/4 550K3 or a Kawasaki Z650 As I am going to live to be 120 but have no job ;) ;)
I will give you 99p for your 400/4 Paul ;D
That is going to stretch Triggers wallet ;D
Post by: Trigger on January 07, 2017, 09:18:19 AM
Dont do it Paul, I will give you two quid. ;DAnybody want to but a Honda 400/4 550K3 or a Kawasaki Z650 As I am going to live to be 120 but have no job ;) ;)
I will give you 99p for your 400/4 Paul ;D
That is going to stretch Triggers wallet ;D
Never had enough money to own a wallet Paul ;D Spent it all on brake lines ;)
Post by: Binman180 on January 07, 2017, 09:33:16 AM
I wanted this bike as soon as I watched this video of a 350f for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emjPQhb8-nc
Obviously not because of nostalgia and noone in my family rides bikes other than my grandfather but he gave it all up before I was born. I just loved the look and I wanted to have something I could work on, It's been a pain and I've wanted to watch it burn a few times like anyone with a project but I love riding it, the sound, the smell and I love the look of it (I do wish it was a bit more powerful though...). plenty of my friends like it too and we have apprentices at work that are 16/17 and love it also despite there being lots of newer, nice, bigger and faster bikes in the parking area.
A friend of mine younger than me, his first "car" was a Land rover series IIa back when he turned 17. I don't know where he drew his inspiration for that, But it's pretty cool. I guess my point is that fads come and go certainly but I can't see the market for old classic bikes such as the ones on this forum will crashing to the point of worthlessness. I've come to terms with the fact it's not worth anywhere near as much as I've spent.
Post by: haynes66 on January 07, 2017, 10:42:03 AM
Post by: Sgt.Pinback on January 08, 2017, 07:40:53 AM
I had a short discussion yesterday with the manager in my local bike shop about the merits of classic bike ownership. As he put a different spin on things, I thought I would share it as a discussion point on the forum.
He is of the firm opinion that owning classic bikes such as ours is the worst financial investment for the future that anyone could make.
He points out that since I started on bikes in 1975 at the age of 16, that the bikes we have in our collections today, were back then aspirational. And let’s be honest, who in 1975 didn’t want a Z1. As my age group gets older and dies off, the younger generation will want the bikes that were aspirational to them such as Ducati 916 etc. Therefore there will be many of the bikes we think as classics for sale and the prices will plummet.
He also points out that very few youngsters are getting into motorbikes these days so there will be far fewer customers for our classics anyway. That’s a point that most of us can verify, the Isle of Man boat to the Classic TT is like a Saga Cruise. He thinks the reasons for this are many, but mainly due to legislation and the fact that teenagers are no longer around motorcycles to the extent that we were. Back then many people owned a bike for transport to work as cars were not yet affordable. He thinks that is why my age group still want Triumphs as that’s what our fathers and uncles rode, again aspirational.
He must believe what he says as this shop did have a few restored classics around that have now been sold off. On that point he thinks that most regular classics of the 60/70’s era have found their price ceiling and it is a good time to sell them off whilst there are still loads of customers around.
In my opinion he makes a few fair points, but as a major dealer he is probably only looking at the financial aspects. What price can you put on the enjoyment and interest they provide in the years up to our demise. Plus a lot of our collections wouldn’t be sold whatever, as we can’t stand to see them go. So who cares about the value after were gone?
What do you guys think?
The same people/generation that buy 70th classics buy new bikes.
That man has the wrong profession. He's selling what no one wants in a few years.
Either new or used.
Worst invest is buying a new bike.
Post by: MrDavo on January 08, 2017, 11:58:13 AM
Post by: sonsman on January 08, 2017, 10:02:05 PM
If riders younger than me, and yes the numbers are reducing, enjoy different riding experiences then classics will survive.
Post by: MCTID on January 10, 2017, 09:06:44 PM
If a new Bonneville costing around £10K needs all these mods.....why would you buy one and what's a stock bike going to be worth a few years down the line - if you can sell it ?
2012 Bonneville - Recent mods:
tail tidy with smoked indicators.
extra 2 smoked red back repeater brake lights.
extra 2 clear flashing rear lights with red bulbs to ensure people hopefully don't rear-end me!
Matching front indicators.
2 spot running lights at front.
new speedo mount with new Tacho with all warning lights in instruments.
Relocated ignition switch to centre below instruments.
Gear indicator unit.
Heated handgrips.
Oil pressure electric gauge.
Oil temperature electrical gauge.
Auto chain oiler.
Hitec rear shocks.
Hitec full 2-2 stainless exhaust.
Triumph twin power tune 3.
Retrimmed brown seat.
Post by: royhall on January 10, 2017, 09:19:03 PM
Post by: royhall on February 07, 2017, 07:01:05 PM
Post by: matthewmosse on February 07, 2017, 10:05:23 PM
Post by: Trigger on February 08, 2017, 07:28:20 AM
Well just as I said I don't know any young people into bikes, along comes a 22 year old and buys my 750F2 off me. And very excited about it is he. Maybe the classic scene is going to be the saviour of biking. Who knows. 8)
See, you old boys worry too much ;D ;D
Post by: royhall on February 08, 2017, 07:55:20 AM
What do you mean old, just because I can remember when water was free and you had to pay for porn. ;D ;DWell just as I said I don't know any young people into bikes, along comes a 22 year old and buys my 750F2 off me. And very excited about it is he. Maybe the classic scene is going to be the saviour of biking. Who knows. 8)
See, you old boys worry too much ;D ;D
Post by: paul G on February 08, 2017, 10:45:46 AM
What do you mean old, just because I can remember when water was free and you had to pay for porn. ;D ;DWell just as I said I don't know any young people into bikes, along comes a 22 year old and buys my 750F2 off me. And very excited about it is he. Maybe the classic scene is going to be the saviour of biking. Who knows. 8)
See, you old boys worry too much ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: MCTID on February 08, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
Hang on - my Missus just chipped in.......'Of course you did.....it's called Marriage'.
As usual the Good Lady is right...........
Post by: mike the bike on February 08, 2017, 02:56:06 PM
Post by: matthewmosse on February 08, 2017, 07:38:32 PM
I remember when filling stations had free air.
They still do, just sit and wait til someone drives off whilst their air token is still live. Yes I am that cheap! Though normally I don't bother - I have a nice big compressor at home thats normally got a full tank as I like running the plasma cutter off it.
Post by: mike the bike on February 08, 2017, 08:25:09 PM
Post by: andy120t on February 14, 2017, 04:09:30 PM
Post by: MrDavo on February 14, 2017, 06:07:44 PM
Like CB radio and after hours drinking, I mostly lost interest in porn once it stopped being illegal.
Post by: taysidedragon on February 14, 2017, 11:40:26 PM
I went to the Haggis Gathering Autojumble in Lanark the other weekend and there were a lot of young guys under 40. (that's young to me!)
Bike shed and the like have made old bikes cool and long may it continue. 8)
Post by: andy120t on February 15, 2017, 12:12:13 AM
Windows were wound down and Little Mix switched off to allow my seven-year daughter to hear a pair of 80's two-strokes on full-chat.... surprisingly, she loved it... Ever since then, any vaguely noisy engine has been pronounced a 'buzzy-bee'as it scoots past! Fab - the youngsters are still keen!
Post by: Green1 on February 17, 2017, 07:18:34 PM
So I sold him my CG and now I can't get him off it.