Post by: mikal on October 19, 2022, 03:09:06 PM
I currently have a 73/74 550 that it will replace as its small!
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 19, 2022, 03:26:50 PM
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Post by: mikal on October 19, 2022, 03:30:07 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 19, 2022, 03:32:58 PM
Yes thats it.That sort of bike is fine if you don't mind paying top money for a USA bike that isn't correct. It'll cost you quite a lot of money to make it correct, there is no such thing as a cheap, perfect bike.
Post by: mikal on October 19, 2022, 03:52:30 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 19, 2022, 04:00:56 PM
it does look nice tho....perhaps thats why it has been done like that. I currently have a very early US import 550 is too small for me and not enough POWERRRRRR. Was just a thought. perhaps I should look around over winter! Cheers.....sniffle sniffle...Yes, at a quick glance it does look nice but it's not correct. It seems to have become a trend over the past few years for some people to do a bike up, regardless of if its correct or not, just on the off chance someone may fall for the bling. If that's the sort of bike you're after, then fine but why go to the bother of restoring the engine and then button it up with non standard Allen screws and fit micky mouse clocks and seat, the wrong back end, the wrong colour paint etc, etc ? 🤔🤔🤔. The answer is, it's a cheap fix.
Post by: mikal on October 19, 2022, 05:28:38 PM
Post by: Johnny4428 on October 19, 2022, 05:51:28 PM
Post by: Trigger on October 19, 2022, 06:20:48 PM
Not just the wrong colour but, wrong tank. That tank is for earlier K's
CX 500 tank badges :o
Micky mouse clocks
Tons of wrong bolts and nuts
Escutcheon missing from seat lock
Don't know what seat that is
Missing correct oil pressure switch lead
Wrong air box, from a K1
And i could just go on all night ::)
Post by: mikal on October 19, 2022, 06:51:58 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 19, 2022, 06:53:35 PM
I have forgotten it already....LOL😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Looks like the engine has been stuck together with glue or mastic or suchlike as well as a gasket 😳😳😳
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Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on October 19, 2022, 07:09:46 PM
Front tyre fitted against rotation arrow.
That in itself is reason enough to stay at
least a “barge pole” away.
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Post by: Sesman on October 19, 2022, 09:23:55 PM
Post by: Laverda Dave on October 20, 2022, 09:11:25 AM
I have forgotten it already....LOL😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Looks like the engine has been stuck together with glue or mastic or suchlike as well as a gasket 😳😳😳
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Looks like the engine builder has used Wellseal Julie, same colour and it oozes from the joints. Why!
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 20, 2022, 09:39:23 AM
Blurb says:-
The complete answer to sealing problems on machined faces.
Non-flammable, has easy partability and is non-hardening. Formulated to give the best possible sealing performance under a wide variety of conditions.
Features and Benefits
• Can be used to seal threaded connections as well as flat- faced joints
• Can be used with or without a gasket, depending upon the design of the assembly
• Highly resistant to the majority of commonly used fuels, lubricants and coolants and is non-corrosive and free from abrasive fillers.
Post by: Laverda Dave on October 20, 2022, 11:35:46 AM
I believe Wellseal and Hylomar were both invented by Rolls Royce aero. RR also developed carbon fibre when they were designing the RB211 jet engine in the 70’s. They invested so much into carbon fibre technology it bankrupted the company.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 20, 2022, 11:52:16 AM
That maybe so Ted but you shouldn't need to use Wellseal on a Honda, the joint faces are both large in area, flat and most joints also have locating dowels. I use Wellseal on my old Triumph engine but that’s because the joint faces are so thin (the rocker box joint is a perfect example). It looks terrible on the Honda oozing out of the joint, they could have wiped off the excess with some meths. It just highlights the standard the bike has been 'restored' to.
I believe Wellseal and Hylomar were both invented by Rolls Royce aero. RR also developed carbon fibre when they were designing the RB211 jet engine in the 70’s. They invested so much into carbon fibre technology it bankrupted the company.
I would always use Hondabond on the casings - I can understand someone old school using Wellseal elsewhere - yes they should have cleaned off the excess.
It was the Rolls Royce RB211 fan blade that they were going to make out of carbon fibre was it not - a sad end until firm relaunched as Rolls Royce (1971) Ltd.
I remenber it well as a disgruntled staff RR member put out a rumour that the Derbyshire Building Society would go bust - that led to massive queues in Derby as members withdrew cash. The Derbshire Building Society survived the run until 2013/14 after takeover by Nationwide.
Post by: Laverda Dave on October 20, 2022, 12:06:14 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 20, 2022, 12:50:28 PM
Post by: mikal on October 20, 2022, 12:56:40 PM
Post by: K2-K6 on October 20, 2022, 02:28:27 PM
Maybe he used Wellseal because that's what he's had in the garage since the 1960's, probably the exact same tube 😁😁😁😁
Frugal chap, perhaps inherited a half used tube ;D
Waste not, want not and all that.
Careless gasketing costs lives etc (ok, I made that one up ) I didn't get were I am today by being frivolous with gasket goo ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Johnny4428 on October 20, 2022, 08:18:16 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 20, 2022, 08:34:04 PM
Hey! I’ve got an old tube of Wellseal in my cupboard 😂😂I'm not surprised John, you obviously have to look after and cherish almost every empty tube where you live 😂😘😘😘
Post by: Johnny4428 on October 20, 2022, 10:18:25 PM
😂😂😂Hey! I’ve got an old tube of Wellseal in my cupboard 😂😂I'm not surprised John, you obviously have to look after and cherish almost every empty tube where you live 😂😘😘😘
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 21, 2022, 03:13:05 PM
I quite liked this just cos of the state of it. I have no knowledge set like you guys on here but didnt think that was over priced for what it is or am i talking utter pap?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 21, 2022, 03:26:41 PM
I might be wrong but I have had instances where I could not retain or transfer an original VRM.
I have no idea if the price is a fair one.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 21, 2022, 03:37:52 PM
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 21, 2022, 03:44:53 PM
Not sure if it's a trick of the poor image resolution but it looks like a sandcast - can't be at that price.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 21, 2022, 04:32:07 PM
Still quite like that though.....
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 21, 2022, 04:35:49 PM
DVLA list it as gold?It's not a Sandcast Ted, it's a total Mongrel, the buyer has been honest with his discription . A bit worrying that he calls it a 76 and a 78 though 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not sure if it's a trick of the poor image resolution but it looks like a sandcast - can't be at that price.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 21, 2022, 05:08:08 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 21, 2022, 05:10:36 PM
I like a mongrel, at least you dont have to be precious about it. So why ISNT it a mongrel Julie? What are you looking fir?Sorry Roo, could you repeat that please 😂😂😂😢
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 21, 2022, 05:12:40 PM
I did ask the question as I wouldnt know how to spot a sandcast and asked how to identify one but nobody came back to let me know the differences, probably couldnt be bothered.
Still quite like that though.....
When I have seen Sandcast engines the fins always seem to look flatter & smoother somehow - that was my opinion after seeing one at the Stafford Show.
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 21, 2022, 05:16:29 PM
They are totally different Ted. Sandcast head and barrels and crank cases are as rough as a bears arse and that's just one difference ☺️☺️☺️I did ask the question as I wouldnt know how to spot a sandcast and asked how to identify one but nobody came back to let me know the differences, probably couldnt be bothered.
Still quite like that though.....
When I have seen Sandcast engines the fins always seem to look flatter & smoother somehow - that was my opinion after seeing one at the Stafford Show.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 21, 2022, 05:18:39 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 21, 2022, 05:20:27 PM
Maybe the one at the show had been over polished then - it seemed to have fewer casting web marks as well.The bike in the advert has a K6 engine in it by the looks of it, maybe even later.
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 21, 2022, 05:23:04 PM
I like a mongrel, at least you dont have to be precious about it. So why ISNT it a mongrel Julie? What are you looking fir?Sorry Roo, could you repeat that please 😂😂😂😢
Soz Julie, late night and up since 4am here!
Why ISNT it a sandcast then, what am I looking for ?..............not that I'm looking ;)
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 21, 2022, 05:23:43 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 21, 2022, 05:26:07 PM
A sandcast is a 1969 production bike and has VIN number up to production number 7414. Anything after that was a K0 die-cast.I like a mongrel, at least you dont have to be precious about it. So why ISNT it a mongrel Julie? What are you looking fir?Sorry Roo, could you repeat that please 😂😂😂😢
Soz Julie, late night and up since 4am here!
Why ISNT it a sandcast then, what am I looking for ?..............not that I'm looking ;)
The bike in question, as the seller says, is a 1978 F1 model with loads of bits off of an earlier K models. It is a UK registered bike but many of the parts on it are from a USA model, ie, the back end.
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 21, 2022, 05:27:43 PM
He does call it a Bitsa? US rear fender still cheap entry price into the 750 species is it not?
Post by: Bryanj on October 21, 2022, 05:29:24 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 21, 2022, 05:30:00 PM
Makes one wonder if the V5 shows it has been a cat C or similar or previous owner damaged the frame so used an earlier frame. Could even be a ringer.Exactly, a bitsa or a Mongrel as I call them.
He does call it a Bitsa?
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on October 21, 2022, 05:32:42 PM
We don’t have any members called “Mongrel”
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Post by: Nurse Julie on October 21, 2022, 05:34:12 PM
Also, Bitsa was a venerable member of this club (RIP).☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️ True Steve.
We don’t have any members called “Mongrel”
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 21, 2022, 05:35:50 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 21, 2022, 05:36:34 PM
As a non precious member, stone me public ally if you like but I quite like it and wouldn’t mind a crack at that tbh but struggling to work out mental ‘shed Tetris ‘to even consider getting it in my workshop. Maybe next year cos I’m deffo not selling anything to make room, that’s not fair!!🥲Makes one wonder if the V5 shows it has been a cat C or similar or previous owner damaged the frame so used an earlier frame. Could even be a ringer.Exactly, a bitsa or a Mongrel as I call them.
He does call it a Bitsa?
I was aware of the 1969 thing but not of the engine numbers, nice hint. I shall get my head into my 750 book when I get home and do some swatting on that subject.
Rose tinted glasses but an inexpensive ride that looks used but not knackered to me….
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Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on October 21, 2022, 05:44:13 PM
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Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 21, 2022, 05:47:44 PM
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 21, 2022, 08:00:24 PM