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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB350/400 => Topic started by: Nurse Julie on November 08, 2014, 09:37:33 AM
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Hi Experts.
I'm about to try and get the swinging arm bushes out, they look like brass and I'm replacing them with new brass one's. I'm sure I read on here somewhere the best way to get the old one's out is to cut them with a hacksaw.Before I start is there anything I need to be careful of or look out for?.
Ta
Julie :-*
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Not really, just use a hacksaw blade to SLOWLY work your way through it, try and keep the blade level and avoid cutting into the swingarm itself. Once you are through, put a punch or lod screwdriver on the outside of the old bush near the cut, and tap it toward the centre, collapsing the bush inwards , when it should just pull out easily. Don't forget to soak your new bushes overnight in oil before fitting, as phosphor bronze is porous and pre lubricates them, so they will last longer:))
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Sounds a bit rude !
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Hi Experts.
I'm about to try and get the swinging arm bushes out, they look like brass and I'm replacing them with new brass one's. I'm sure I read on here somewhere the best way to get the old one's out is to cut them with a hacksaw.Before I start is there anything I need to be careful of or look out for?.
Ta
Julie :-*
Julie, are you sure it is a bush problem. It is very rare to have a problem once brass bushes are fitted.
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No, I'm not sure if there was really a problem with them Trig. There may have been the slightest bit of play when I wiggled the back wheel, but it also may have been my imagination !!!. Also though, the back end feels very slightly unstable and a bit skippy and wobbly when riding. It may be because i'm comparing the back end with my CBR's. Anyway, as I'm going to change the chain and sprocket it just made sense to me to to take the whole back end apart and do the bushes at the same time. Just got them out, no major problems removing them, except 1 broken nail and some chipped nail varnish. ;D ;D
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Broken nail? Surely that's a trip to A&E for a girl:)):)):))
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Julie,
You can not compare a CBR against a CB400. Worlds apart mate.
A bit skippy can be shocks and wobbly could be down to low pressure in the rear tyre.
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Yes Hairygit, your right. But 'cos I'm a Nurse I'm sure I can perform Surgery on myself at home today :D
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Julie,
You can not compare a CBR against a CB400. Worlds apart mate.
A bit skippy can be shocks and wobbly could be down to low pressure in the rear tyre.
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Worlds apart I know Trig and as you know I have got a poss slow puncture on back tyre. But with my limited knowledge (compared to you Guys) I just go with what I can do and hope for the best, and it's better than doing the ironing or housework !!!). Hagon shocks fitted, both look ok.
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Play at the back wheel on mine turned out to be due to the RH wheel bearing being a bit of a sloppy fit in the hub.... I suspected that the nearly new Honda plastic? swingarm bushes were to blame but they seem ok if the swingarm is pulled about with the wheel removed.
Hub wear is common with these old alloy hubs after a few bearing changes.
I need to measure the clearance to check it's not too much then lock it in with a bearing retaining liquid.
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Also check wheel bearings.
Will do
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Play at the back wheel on mine turned out to be due to the RH wheel bearing being a bit of a sloppy fit in the hub.... I suspected that the nearly new Honda plastic? swingarm bushes were to blame but they seem ok if the swingarm is pulled about with the wheel removed.
Hub wear is common with these old alloy hubs after a few bearing changes.
I need to measure the clearance to check it's not too much then lock it in with a bearing retaining liquid.
Never understood why they fitted plastic bushes in the first place, what is wrong with tapered bearings like they use on the Dresda swinging arms.
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From an engineering viewpoint, taper rolers are less than ideal in that application, they work best in full rotation such as car wheel bearings etc. Even in steering head bearings they are compromised, but far easier to deal with than loose balls>:D
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Thought the original bushes were plastic.
You probably have the HONDA shop manual already Julie .... but just in case or for others I bunged in into Dropbox here below:-
Got my knuckles wrapped last night by Bitsa for mentioning rubber tubes again .. so sorry for that :-[
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zh31qynxfimw8pb/400_4%20Shop%20Manual.pdf?dl=0
Cheers .. AshD
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Thanks Ash. Im sure the original were plastic but sometime in the past the bike has been completley stripped as the frame has been powder coated. I assume the brass one's were put in as part of the rebuild, I only changed them again because I have the back end out to do the chain and sprocket.
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Thought the original bushes were plastic.
You probably have the HONDA shop manual already Julie .... but just in case or for others I bunged in into Dropbox here below:-
Got my knuckles wrapped last night by Bitsa for mentioning rubber tubes again .. so sorry for that :-[
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zh31qynxfimw8pb/400_4%20Shop%20Manual.pdf?dl=0
Cheers .. AshD
Yes Ash, I did see the rubber tube banter ;D. I was showing it to some of my staff at work last night, they understand fully mens fetishes about rubber, it's no different to us girls having fetishes about Firemen or farmers in wellie boots, it's the rubber that does it for us too :-* :-* (I think Bitsa has led a sheltered life !!!)
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Julie
No I have not, seen, been and wear the t shirt but as you seem to be the only lady on here do not like to see you being ribbed to much its bad enough for us blokes ;) ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
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Julie
No I have not, seen, been and wear the t shirt but as you seem to be the only lady on here do not like to see you being ribbed to much its bad enough for us blokes ;) ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
ood fun
Thanks for your concern Bitsa. I can put up with anything directed my way and I can give as good as I get. It's all in good humour I'm sure and that's the way I take it.
Kind regards
Julie
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Julie
Excellent OK your on your own girl ;) ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
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Bitsa, Julie is not the only woman member.
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Don't tell him that hes still trying to get used to the idea of women voting.
Mick
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Nice one Mick ;D ;D ;D
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Naw aint that bad knackered maybe >:(
Cheers
Bitsa
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Bitsa, Julie is not the only woman member.
I didn't think I was the only Girlie on here, but it seems I'm the only one who talks to you lot !!! :P
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Julie
That is probably the reason why I thought and said it
Cheers
Bitsa
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I think we should have more woman on the forum and i love to see more woman out on bike's. A woman that rides a bike and gets her hands dirty is on the top of my OK list.
Have had two woman apprentice engineers in my company and both were diamond girls.
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With you on that one Trig so say we all :D In my biker days if you could find one that did not mind getting dirty they were always on the back not driving.Poxy scooters I blame for that and I used to fix the bloody things.
Cheers
Bitsa
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Girls and bikes together are cool. Obviously as passengers they are decorative and precious cargo that you win over with your skillful riding ::)
Saw a girl on a Harley the other day. Not my choice of iron but she was fully into the sub culture down to the ray ban aviators. Girls on 400/Fs look much cooler though. Erm YouTube :P
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All I mentioned was a bit of rubber tube and a good potential source for it for Gawds sake! When I was a kid and the local chemists twigged that the Potassium Nitrate I used to buy from them was not 'For my dad's garden, miss', a friendly nurse stepped in and got me Potassium Permanganate instead, as the hospital used it for treating old bod's feet or something. The 'flowers of sulphur' and charcoal were readily available, so no worries there. Problem was that the Pot. Permanganate made an unholy purple mess everywhere so I was quickly banned from using that too ::)
I bet Julie had dealt with much worse banter than she gets on here. We all get a bit of banter chucked at us on here male or femail. Some bug*er on here even accused poor old Ashimoto of being a mad scientist type :( ..... Must dash there's thunder and lightening predicted and I have a tall fella in my gararge who needs a fix and I could do with the bolts back I used in his neck, cos I need em to hold on my HM300's ;D
That's another great point about the 400/4, it was ideally suited to girls as well as boys. There are quite a few females with 400/s who post on DS's FB site. why did Honda have to replace it with the ugly piece of crap the 400T?
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All I mentioned was a bit of rubber tube and a good potential source for it for Gawds sake! When I was a kid and the local chemists twigged that the Potassium Nitrate I used to buy from them was not 'For my dad's garden, miss', a friendly nurse stepped in and got me Potassium Permanganate instead, as the hospital used it for treating old bod's feet or something. The 'flowers of sulphur' and charcoal were readily available, so no worries there. Problem was that the Pot. Permanganate made an unholy purple mess everywhere so I was quickly banned from using that too ::)
I bet Julie had dealt with much worse banter than she gets on here. We all get a bit of banter chucked at us on here male or femail. Some bug*er on here even accused poor old Ashimoto of being a mad scientist type :( ..... Must dash there's thunder and lightening predicted and I have a tall fella in my gararge who needs a fix and I could do with the bolts back I used in his neck, cos I need em to hold on my HM300's
That's another great point about the 400/4, it was ideally suited to girls as well as boys. There are quite a few females with 400/s who post on DS's FB site. why did Honda have to replace it with the ugly piece of crap the 400T?
Yes Ash, the banter on here is lightweight up against what I have had to deal with face to face over the years as a Nurse. I also have very close connections with the Motor Trade and over the past 30 odd years have had to deal with Men on a very regular basis, take it from me absolutly nothing can shock or upset me and if anything I am usually the instigator !!!. :-* :-*
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Going on DS's Facebook to appeal for more 'gals to join us on here. One of his staff Jacqui .. nice lady just awarded me a free 400/4 teashirt ! ... is a biker and there are quite a few others, so fingers crossed.
Cheers ... Ash
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Going on DS's Facebook to appeal for more 'gals to join us on here. One of his staff Jacqui .. nice lady just awarded me a free 400/4 teashirt ! ... is a biker and there are quite a few others, so fingers crossed.
Cheers ... Ash
One instigator is enough ;D ;D ;D
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DONE!
"Appealing for more ladies (of course men too) to join us on SOHC.co.uk forum. Lots of friendly advice and good humoured banter. I am a member of a lot of those bike forums, owning fours and twins but there is something a bit special about this one. David has been kind enough to answer many part/supply related things via myself on there and you never know, a member may have that elusive part you are looking for, If you want to join, then introduce yourself here and don't forget to mention me AshimotoK0! http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/board,112.0.html"
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Going on DS's Facebook to appeal for more 'gals to join us on here. One of his staff Jacqui .. nice lady just awarded me a free 400/4 teashirt ! ... is a biker and there are quite a few others, so fingers crossed.
Cheers ... Ash
That sounds good Ash, hopefully enough ladies will join the forum that we can gang up on you gents and keep you on the straight and narrow. ;D ;D ;D
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There will be trouble.
I employed two woman engineers at one time. The boy that did the engine cleaning complained about sexual harassment and one day on the front counter a gent came in asking to speak to a engineer. One of the woman that was running the front counter that day replied," You are speaking to a engineer". The gent said, I want to speak to a male engineer. That gent got such a big mouthful from the female engineer that he quickly crawled back under his stone.
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Well done that girl, I would probably have given him a slap as well ::). Personally I can't understand why men make assumptions, makes them look really silly.
Back to bikes. Soaked swing arm bushes in oil overnight as suggested by Hairygit, just fitted them, lovely, all nice and shiney and new. There was a little bit of wear on the old ones but I don't know enough to say if it would be considered normal or not, anyway, I'm pleased I changed them :-* :-*
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just a picture of a girl,and a bike,
just to prove Julie is not alone
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Thats french and its for sale on ebay.fr now are you sure its not just a model promoting the bike?On the sister site look at bikes and babes or is it the other way round cant remember seen chicks like those every where ;)Yeah course I have loads
Cheers
Bitsa
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Thats french and its for sale on ebay.fr now are you sure its not just a model promoting the bike?On the sister site look at bikes and babes or is it the other way round cant remember seen chicks like those every where ;)Yeah course I have loads
Cheers
Bitsa
It's a promo shot from early on, she's a singer. Those bleedin Froggies got Sandcasts and we didn't ! Grrr.