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Title: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on February 25, 2015, 10:18:27 PM
Hi all,

I'd appreciate your thoughts on the two photos.

1. What's the bracket that sticks up from the side of the rear frame arm for? My parts catalogue shows one on each side, but my bike's only got one on the offside (poor thing).
2. There are two holes on each side of the rear frame arms. My parts book suggests that I should only have one on each side to fit the indicator stalks. I guess someone drilled the extra ones for a rack or some such, unless you peeps know better.

Thank you,

D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Trigger on February 25, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
The hook is a helmet holder and not sure why you have two holes.

Looks like someone had fitted this type of stem before > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB-CM-CT-SL-CX-CD-CG-400-250-550-Indicator-STEM-/300661761209?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4600d664b9
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on February 26, 2015, 08:31:31 AM
Nice one Trigger,

Helmet holder, eh? I've probably got a sticker in my pack of new stickers to put near there (when I open said packet and apply as the final embellishment to the completed renovation... a bit like applying transfers to a completed Airfix model!).

Not sure where those indicator brackets went. The indicators were fastened to a rack that I'm keeping, for now at least.

Much appreciated,

D.

Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Bryanj on February 26, 2015, 08:55:49 AM
If you can't find the helmet holder sticker i got some with japanese writing should you wish to confuddle peeps
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on February 26, 2015, 10:14:32 AM
Ha ha, cool, ta.

I'll have a look and let you know if not.

Cheers, D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Lynx on February 26, 2015, 11:14:08 AM
Hi Drew,

Aren't there 2 hols for the indicator brackets? One for the mounting bolt and one for an alignment stub.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on February 26, 2015, 12:01:35 PM
Hi Lynx,

There are no alignment stubs on my brackets. However, they fit fine and don't slide around thanks to their [ profile design that loops over/under the frame.

Is my bike odd in that respect?

Ta,

D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Lynx on February 26, 2015, 12:04:16 PM
I'll check mine this evening.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Chris400F on February 26, 2015, 12:18:29 PM
Definitely only one hole each side on my frame. Can't check the indicator mounts as the rear indicators on my bike were on straight stalks.

The holes look a bit big for the mounts trigger suggested, as I recall the mounting screw size for those was only something like M5.

Could have been holes for a rack support. If you still have it were there corresponding holes in the rear mudguard, otherwise the holes would be 'blind'.

Oh, and did you win that fuse box lid?

Chris
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on February 26, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
Hi Chris,

The parts book suggests rubber washers with metal inserts. Found some in my parts bin and hey presto, they look and work fine (to my non-expert eyes and for my rather mongrel bike).

Both of the holes are threaded so that adds to the rack theory. However, I removed some rubbish looking generic brackets so I guess my rack was made for a range of bikes rather than dedicated to 400/4s.... although that still doesn't explain the holes.

Maybe they were a weight saving technique, ha ha... although why thread them?

The fuse box cover went for £13.75 so I missed out. Seemed a bit steep to me for something hidden by the side panel (on a mongrel bike). I may fashion something myself or may not bother.... in the meantime it's another weight saving device!

Cheers,

D.

Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Chris400F on February 26, 2015, 01:55:12 PM
Here's a pic showing the location of the label for the helmet holder:

My bike has a thin bracket on the nearside, probably what you can see in the parts book. It is a guide for the wiring to the rear lamp.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on February 26, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
Thanks Chris, I might stick that on tonight to give me an even greater sense of making progress!

Cheers. D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: ka-ja on February 26, 2015, 07:35:12 PM
Here's another fuse cover

 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLASSIC-HONDA-CB400-4-CB-400-FOUR-CB400F-FUSE-BOX-COVER-/331488690126?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4d2e43ffce
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on February 27, 2015, 08:29:55 AM
Thanks Chris,

I'm not much of an ebay follower so your prompt is much appreciated.

Cheers, D.

p.s. Couldn't find my supply of stickers last night. I must learn a new way of storing all my parts!
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 01, 2015, 07:50:09 PM
Chris, failed again.

I'm rubbish at this eBay stuff. It went for £12.25 this time. One day, I'll be able to afford one! In the meantime, I'm getting out my woodworking kit.

Cheers, D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Chris400F on March 03, 2015, 10:25:33 AM
Drew,
Just been browsing around (as you do) and came across this post on the US forums:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=135175.0
Seems the fuse box is not unique to the 400/4 - I didn't know that but you may have.
Might mean you can widen your search for the part though.
C
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 03, 2015, 10:32:04 AM
Hi Chris,

Thanks again for your support. As it happens, the wiring from my fuse box is rather dodgy and the unit has signs of melting (not uncommon, apparently). It looks like I'm going to have a new one instead. I'm thinking that this is an important enough part to justify the investment!

In the meantime, I'm sure your post is, or will be, helping others and probably reducing the price of '400-4' versions on eBay... good work!

Cheers,

D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: mike the bike on March 03, 2015, 03:25:01 PM
Make sure you clean up the contacts that the fuse holder fits into.  A lot of power going through a high resistance connection = Chernobyl and you'll be back where you started.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 03, 2015, 03:58:07 PM
Thanks Mike,

Good thinking. Mine will be connecting into the new wiring loom so hopefully we'll be OK.

Part of the problem is the rubbish/damaged connectors in the fuse box end of that wring connector block. It would probably have worked fine for a few more years if I hadn't interfered by stripping the bike and attempting this renovation/rebuild project!

Cheers,

D.


Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 06, 2015, 11:16:43 AM
Are there two helmet holders as I have another, smaller upward-facing frame tab a little further forward than the one pictured by Chris?

As you can tell, I've never used them... probably because there were no stickers there previously and I'm too stupid to work this out for myself (and have clearly forgotten something that I took for granted in the 70's)!

I do have two stickers, so that's a big clue.

Ta,

D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: tom400f on March 06, 2015, 11:45:25 AM
Yes there are two. The sticker for the forward one is on top of the side panel.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 06, 2015, 11:47:45 AM
Ah ha, thank you!

D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Chris400F on March 06, 2015, 01:23:06 PM
Tom is absolutely right. Side panels weren't on the bike when I did the other photos so didn't notice that one!
Here is a shot of it.
Chris
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 06, 2015, 01:56:58 PM
You're a star Chris!

Cheers, D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: tom400f on March 06, 2015, 03:08:19 PM
Brace of parakeets

http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,4353.msg28249.html#msg28249

Sorry always like that one
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 06, 2015, 03:14:54 PM
They look lovely together and only a grab handle to tell them apart (and maybe a number plate). D.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Lobo on March 08, 2015, 02:13:43 AM
...funnily enough I 'always liked that one' too...

Simon
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 08, 2015, 12:44:21 PM
Apart from my little electrical problem that stops me trying to fire up the engine for the first time in 18 months (http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,7852.15.html), I have completed everything else in the rebuild... yee haa!

Happy day, even if it is just a lovely sculpture at the moment!

D.

Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Lynx on March 08, 2015, 12:55:43 PM
Great. Well done Drew looks great.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Bitsa (Ralph Wright - RIP) on March 08, 2015, 01:29:08 PM
Looks great Drew nice work mate
Cheers
Bitsa
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Trigger on March 08, 2015, 01:33:30 PM
Looks great Drew.Those pipes are a very nice finish.
Title: Re: 400 Frame Enquiries
Post by: Drew400 on March 08, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Thank you all.

Warm feeing inside!

Cheers,

D.
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