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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB500/550 => Topic started by: florence on April 14, 2015, 12:59:23 PM
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Very pleased to discover that my bike now qualifies. I need to renew the MOT then I can apply for a refund.
Just getting a puncture repaired and thinking about starting up after a winter rest. Nervous.
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No need to be nervous about it starting as long as you have fresh fuel in it:))
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Very pleased to discover that my bike now qualifies. I need to renew the MOT then I can apply for a refund.
Just getting a puncture repaired and thinking about starting up after a winter rest. Nervous.
I sent my details to DVLA just before easter,,not heard from them yet ,
mine is registered march '74,manufactured late '73.,age verified by Honda,certificate enclosed
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This is the link to the document describing the rolling 40 year exemption for anyone interested:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/293910/TIIN_2507_8011_40_year_rolling_exemption_for_classic_vehicles_.pdf
I went through the process with my 400/4 earlier this year. For reasons unknown it wasn't registered until 1981, year of manufacture
(not on the V5C but shown on a GOV.UK Vehicle Enquiry, https://www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/) was also shown as 1981. I got a
Dating Letter from VJMC showing year of manufacture as 1977, DVLA took about 5 weeks to send me a new V5C with a new age-related
registration number.
Not sure how you can get a refund, only way I can see would be to SORN the bike (which I think would qualify you for a refund) then re-tax.
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Just checked with DVLA website, mine is now taxed for £00.00 although I don't have my V5 back yet (from 1st April)
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Does anyone know if the dvla will sort this out automatically or do we need to apply to them when the bike comes of age
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You apply, change your tax class to historic on your v5, fill in tax renewal form (v50)? Send with a print of insurance cert and your mot.
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..... and frustratingly you'll still have to apply for 'tax' annually... despite the MOT, insurance being current.
Ya would have thought... if no SORN, tax & MOT / insurance current that'd imply the bike was on the road, and with £0 to pay tax-wise no further action would be be necessary.
Am I missing something here folks?
Simon
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You apply, change your tax class to historic on your v5, fill in tax renewal form (v50)? Send with a print of insurance cert and your mot.
My bike has come into the 'tax exempt' bracket this year, but the Post Office wanted £38 on two occassions, even though I explained the situation to them.
I eventually had to phone the DVLA who told me - if the PO refused to tax for free again, I was to tell them to ring the Post Office help line at the DVLA.
The next time, the PO made the call and taxed my bike (for free).
They keep one half of the V5 (to be updated as historic and returned to you later).
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My bike has wrong date on registration document. If the DVLA issue a new number should one then have to get a another MOT done?
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Nope, you send in the old MOT cert with the registration document and DVLA officialy "amend" it, I.E write the new number in biro and put a stamp on it
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Nice to know, mine comes up next year.
Cheers
Dennis
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If you reg stays the same, which it will if the V5 has the correct year the only thing that changes is the Taxation Class on the V5 and the cost
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Mine is 40 years old in August but, unless I'm mistaken, I've got to wait until August before I get free road tax. Typical shabby government trick !
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Not sure how that's a trick? Your bike has to be 40 years old and it reaches that in August. If you want your tax free at that point, in August you will have to SORN it until they send your tax back then re-tax it for free. I would just live with it and then get it free at renewal. Got another 5 years to wait on my 750F2 as its a 1980 reg. Must have sat unloved in the showroom for 3 years.
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Not sure how that's a trick? Your bike has to be 40 years old and it reaches that in August. If you want your tax free at that point, in August you will have to SORN it until they send your tax back then re-tax it for free. I would just live with it and then get it free at renewal. Got another 5 years to wait on my 750F2 as its a 1980 reg. Must have sat unloved in the showroom for 3 years.
Could be worth sending the money to Honda to get a date of manufacture certificate and send it to dvla, the date of registration is not what matters to them, it's when it was built that counts, and it was probably built in late 76/77, worth the dating cert fee to get tax exenption a few years earlier. :))
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Stangely enough Hairygit, Ive just taken some photo's for VJMC to do me a dating certificate. Just waiting for them to come back then I shall fill in the forms and get them off. That should save 3 years of road tax. Great minds think alike!! 8)
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Thanks Bryan, that is good to know because my MOT is due and I do not want to wait for the DVLA to spend a few weeks doing the paperwork. This means I can get the bike on the road straight away.
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Roy, I seem to remember a thread on here that said dvla will ONLY accept dating evidence from Honda thenselves, someone will hopefully be able to post a link to the thread.
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Roy, I seem to remember a thread on here that said dvla will ONLY accept dating evidence from Honda thenselves, someone will hopefully be able to post a link to the thread.
see the link to INF34,the info that you need for historic vehicles,now for pre 1975 vehicles
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/419830/INF34_090315.pdf
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Thanks for that guys. Saves me wasting time and money. Think I will leave the registration just as it is.
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Roy, I seem to remember a thread on here that said dvla will ONLY accept dating evidence from Honda thenselves, someone will hopefully be able to post a link to the thread.
As per my earlier post DVLA accepted a dating letter from VJMC for my bike. Honda UK were unable to (or wouldn't) help, this was also stated in the VJMC letter.
Should save me 4 years of road tax so I think worth the effort.
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Maybe I will did deeper on this. Got another 2 years to do it whatever as the F2 is a 1977 bike.
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You've missed the point. I have to pay an extra 7 months tax (Sept - March inclusive) for a bike that's more than 40 years old
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Mike. Beg to differ, but I've not missed the point at all. The rules say "at time of taxation". I hate paying tax as much as anyone, but it has to be 40 years old on the day you tax it and yours was 5 months away. I think it's brilliant that we get historical vehicle status at all, and right or wrong that's the way they chose to administer it. Cant think of many other countries that give historical status. But that said, if its tax its theft. ;D ;D
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it changes each year in April. This year it is machines made before 1st Jan 1975. Next year it will be machines made before 1st Jan 1976 but you will have to wait until April before you can apply...........
The date you tax your vehicle does not come into it.
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Only in that if you tax it 15th march when its only 39 years and 11 months old you have to pay the full amount. If you wait two weeks until 1st April its free if you see what I mean. You dont get it free if your vehicle becomes 40 years old during the tax year, it must be 40 years old at the time you tax it. Crikey, I'm confusing myself now. ;D
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I always SORN it for the winter anyway. I should have my Katana 650 on the road by then to use.
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I bought my bike in April 1976 so if it goes on date first registered I will have to wait until the following year, so who do you contact at Honda to get a certificate stating when it was manufactured ?
Cheers
Dennis
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Just Honda UK motorcycle division, dating letter costs about £30 from memory
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This is the page on the Honda web site with the information:
http://bikes.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/my-bike/year-of-manufacture.html
Even though as far as I can tell my 400/4 is a UK bike I just got a letter saying they were unable to identify my motorcycle
from their archives or computer systems, and return of cheque (£30 is correct). Took about 3 weeks from me sending the letter
to receiving their response.
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Thank you very much for that, I'll get on it
Cheers
Dennis
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I always SORN it for the winter anyway. I should have my Katana 650 on the road by then to use.
Mike
Why do you SORN through the winter?
If a bike is tax exempt, it should make no difference should it?
Or am I missing something.
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'Exempt' is something of a misnomer.
You still have to have road tax, it just costs zero.
Of course at zero rate you may as well tax the bike for 12 months of the year rather than maybe
tax for 6 months then SORN it for the other six.
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I think "Historic" only comes in 12 month types
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It's not exempt yet, its only 39 and a half.
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Thanks for the comment Oddjob. If I'd realised that I would maybe have tried again, you live and learn ....
I think I have seen other comments elsewhere about poor service from Honda regarding this sort of enquiry.
In the end I figured that if 400/4s were made from 1975 - 77 then as mine is late in the production run (from
engine and frame numbers) it must be a 77 bike. Put all the information in a letter to the VJMC Dating Service and
got a Dating Letter back which DVLA accepted. Year of manufacture is now recorded by DVLA as 1977, much better
than 1981 as it was shown when I got the bike and hopefully will save me four years of road tax.
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Don't accept that response Chris. Do what I did and make a stink over it, even if they can't identify your exact bike they should be able to get a really good idea of which month it was built by using frame numbers near yours. That's the point I made to them and they eventually just said a month but no exact date in that month. Best yet, I didn't pay as they'd already returned my cheque.
Honda Motors returned my £30 cheque too - but they neeedn't have insulted my intelligence by telling me that they were unable to identify the year of manufacture from the frame and engine number.
I would rather them just told me that they couldn't be arsed.
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I am surprised at that,
when I asked HM for a date,they were great,then I realised I had transposed an digit on the engine number,I e-mailed
the lady that signed the letter,she e-mailed me back,and re-did the cert FOC and quickly,
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Sent mine here:
Honda UK
Customer Operations
Cain Road
Bracknell
Berkshire
RG12 1HL
Maybe I should have sent it somewhere else.
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Sent mine here:
Honda UK
Customer Operations
Cain Road
Bracknell
Berkshire
RG12 1HL
Maybe I should have sent it somewhere else.
same place !!
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Sent mine there too, that's the address they give on their Year of Manufacture web page.
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hi,
is this 40 years an automatic thing? or do i have to apply? i have a 1974 Kawasaki triple date of reg 01/01/74.
do i need to apply or will this happen seamlessly :-)
Thanks
Billy
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You need to do it. See 2nd post from csd4t earlier in this topic.
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V5 returned now, insurance and mot separately
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I will add an update to this old thread.
I had previously tried Honda for a Dating Letter and failed, as noted earlier in the thread.
But with comments from other members in the back of my mind I thought I would have another go.
As Oddjob suggested maybe they could come up with something close even if they couldn't identify the exact bike.
So I sent off another letter and a cheque, and lo and behold nearly 4 weeks later I have today received an answer.
My bike was apparently built on 16th March 1977, which is what I wanted to know.
Don't know why they couldn't have told me that the first time I asked! I suppose at least they returned the cheque.
Also don't know why the bike wasn't registered until March 1981, but that will probably remain a mystery.
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... date of manufacture and date of registration on those bikes must have been quite a few years apart I'd imagine.
That was the starting point for my quest to find the information. Date of manufacture and date of registration were both shown as 1981.
Date of manufacture is now recorded with DVLA as 1977 so should qualify for tax exemption at the 'right' time.
Interestingly it is quite common to see 400/4's shown as 1978 or even 1979, I didn't think they were manufactured after 1977 so maybe
the registration date is being assumed as the year of manufacture. It would be interesting to see what a DVLA Vehicle Enquiry shows as the
year of manufacture in such cases (it's not on the V5), I think it is that date which determines when road tax becomes free.
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Probably sat at Honda UK in a crate for years.
I remember when the CX500 came out, a year or so later the CX500A came out and that got a little flyscreen and metallic paint, the the CX500B came out with the reversed comstars and then you couldn't really sell the earlier version as everyone wanted the A or B model.
Queens Park Motors where I was working at the time paired up with Bill Smiths of Chester and bought hundreds of the earlier CX500 which had been sat in a warehouse at Honda for ages, when they turned up the crates were in pretty poor condition, full of dust and general crap and starting to come apart, the bikes inside were fine however.
Queenies sold them at hundreds of pounds less than the CX500A/B and they went like hot cakes, date of manufacture and date of registration on those bikes must have been quite a few years apart I'd imagine.
Cracking bit of history there Oddjob and it all makes sense, the way you explained it.
Don't want hijack thread but when will my August 1975 (1st date of registration) become tax exempt?
Cheers ... Ash
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Ash,
the wording is "year of manufacture"
so,is there a possibility its made in '74 ??
ask Honda.
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the wording is "year of manufacture"
Start by looking to see what DVLA have recorded for it: https://www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/.
(The DVLA service is free, the Honda route will cost you £30).
They hold the information and hopefully will use it when you submit a request to change the taxation class.
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Very pleased to discover that my bike now qualifies. I need to renew the MOT then I can apply for a refund.
Just getting a puncture repaired and thinking about starting up after a winter rest. Nervous.
I sent my details to DVLA just before easter,,not heard from them yet ,
mine is registered march '74,manufactured late '73.,age verified by Honda,certificate enclosed
give'em a ring to gee'em up i did, it worked for me.
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I was told that it had to be 40 years from first reg date. also i sent in to Swansea my MOT insurance only to get it sent back a month later with a letter to say i should change the taxation class at the counter of a crown PO. i did this and the lady was great. no need for docs, she did it on screen and took my log book and said i would receive a new one in two weeks. and to keep the counter receipt in-case it was lost. i have since received the new log book with Classic in the taxation class. ;D
Billy
PS i will be doing the same for my 250 on the 2nd of Aug this year.