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SOHC.co.uk Forums => Recommended Sources for Parts and Services => Topic started by: ST1100 on December 28, 2015, 06:20:26 PM
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Hi,
all the sets offered I can find are stainless Allen head bolts...
Anyone aware of a source for a standard galvanized, OEM like set, with the Philips, 8 & 10mm heads for top and bottom end?
TIA
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Don't know of a specific set of JIS BZP screws but the correct finish and close head form to original OEM Honda. Yamiya only do packs for CB750
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BZP-Philips-Screws-M3-M4-M5-M6-multi-listing-Honda-CG125-/321498496314
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LOL! ;D
Damn', that shop is like a candy-store! 8)
Flange bolts, flange nuts, countersunk Philips... yumm...
Even a pre-sorted CB500 kit offered
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB500-Nut-Bolt-Screw-Stainless-MegaPack-/321414138066
In stainless and no details on the content though, but with Philips and hex bolts/heads pictured... tempting... another € 100,- though...
So what's the deal among hard-corers? A2 or BZP?
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Well I prefer to stick to standard BZP JIS crossheads but I am an old fuddy duddy ;D ;D
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Well, I concur... ;)
In my experience is the OEM Honda zinc (as well as their black anodizing) highly durable and obviously superior over common hardware store items...
Any comments on the BZP quality from above shop?
(which I'm still wading in BTW... those M6 chrome flange bolts would look really nice on the clutch and alternator covers of a café...)
Seems I'll have to dig into the parts catalogue, list all engine/cover bolts and place a huge order of BZP bolts 'n nuts there...)
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LOL! ;D
Damn', that shop is like a candy-store! 8)
Flange bolts, flange nuts, countersunk Philips... yumm...
Even a pre-sorted CB500 kit offered
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB500-Nut-Bolt-Screw-Stainless-MegaPack-/321414138066 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB500-Nut-Bolt-Screw-Stainless-MegaPack-/321414138066)
In stainless and no details on the content though, but with Philips and hex bolts/heads pictured... tempting... another € 100,- though...
So what's the deal among hard-corers? A2 or BZP?
Has anybody used these Megapacks, they've been in my watch list for some time. This listing for the CB750 pack is a bit short on detail, is it for the entire bike or just the engine? The CB500 pack appears to be much more sorted, individual bags etc, where the 750 is just one big mixed bag.
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Not sure Roy, I got mine from Yamiya as full sets. Plus the No 8 bolt set for K0 (not strictly 'true' to the original large 8 head but the best you are going to get other than NOS or replated.
http://www.yamiya750.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=158_283
The true Honda screws were not fully threaded and had a little dot imprint next to the cross on the head.
They are JIS crosshead not true Phillips or Pozidrive.
Back 'in the day' all of the 5-Star Honda dealers used and sold 'T' handle JIS drivers made by Vessel in Japan. Used to have a set , sadly long gone.
http://ruggedroads.co.uk/JIS-Screwdriver-Set-Vessel-Megadora-P1-P2-and-P3
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vessel-B33-4-Screwdriver-Bit-Set-Phillips-1-4-JIS-ISO-4-Piece-/151913980078?hash=item235ec760ae:g:n2gAAOSwLzdWRH1a
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/philips-screwdriver-t-bar-vessel-no-3-phillips-japanese-made-/321950795893?hash=item4af5c34875:g:I1YAAOSwmrlUvOf2
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Not sure how accurate they are but I bought a load of stuff from Custom Fasteners when I was rebuilding the F1 especially the Phillips stuff.
http://www.custom-fasteners.co.uk/PBSearch.asp
Cheers
Dennis
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The true Honda screws were not fully threaded and had a little dot imprint next to the cross on the head.
Its that punch-mark which IDs them as a JIS bolt, well known "secret" among those who care ;)
In our ISO dominated world unfortunately most workshops (and tool traders) don't...
When in distress one could compromise by grinding the tip off an ISO PH02 driver, place it on the screw-head and give the handle a firm punch with a mallet or plastic hammer, but by this you're already forging the former JIS screw-head into other shape...
Found a shop where one can order the Vessel JIS(+)02 and (+)03 (practically all you need) individually and reasonable priced:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181952169346?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D181952169346%26_rdc%3D1
Their well hidden in the depts of my w/shop drawer for obvious reasons... ;)
Also my ISO PH01 driver is taking cover there, protected from further abuse by my buddy, notoriously working PH02 bolts on his z750 with it... ::)
But I'm still not any further with zinc plated CB500K2 engine bolts...
I can get a JIS(+) engine cover bolt set (33 pieces) for a horrific price from Andy (will probably have to bite the sour apple there), but I'm still nowhere with the flange bolts for clutch and alternator cover or engine case...
Seems I'll have to create an Excel sheet from the parts catalogue and then either hunt each dimension/type/form down individually, or even order OEM at my nearby Honda stealer...
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Hi Ash......try this chap......FAB Fastenings. He lives behind my house and when I was working on my CB750 a few weeks ago at the back of my garage he came over and introduced himself.......check out his Website - FAB Fastenings. He doesn't 'advertise' his Honda stuff as they threatened to take him to court for using their name on his Graphics, so a phone call or e mail my be useful.
I think he may be an sohc member but I don't know his moniker. Good luck.
http://www.sunrisegraphics.co.uk/page4.html
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That's the chap that had a stall at our Cardiff VJMC show. I bought quite a few fasteners from him.
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OK, I've yet listed all visible/outside engine bolts incl P/N, description, dimensions and location into a spreadsheet, which I'll combine with photos of the engine from various angles.
Still due are engine mounts, suspension/frame, upper/lower clamps and fenders.
From this I can work on what to obtain as pattern part in original look and what I'll have to actually order OEM.
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Got this cheap yesterday made by Vessel so JIS
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Impact-Driver-with-4-bits-Vessel-no-2800-/321956028068?_trksid=p2141725.m3662.l6403
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Carfull Ash, I had one of those years ago and it had standard phillips bits
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Carfull Ash, I had one of those years ago and it had standard phillips bits
It's made by Vessel in Japan though... anyway cheap enough .
Arrived today. JIS crosshead bits & look new ( the owner must have only used the flat blade one).. Bloomin bargain ...spotted 'cos someone on here asked about JIS
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Ash. Just checking before I buy the wrong thing again. Is this t-bar the correct head for the Genuine Honda casing screws.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/philips-screwdriver-t-bar-vessel-no-3-phillips-japanese-made-/321950795893?hash=item4af5c34875:g:I1YAAOSwmrlUvOf2 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/philips-screwdriver-t-bar-vessel-no-3-phillips-japanese-made-/321950795893?hash=item4af5c34875:g:I1YAAOSwmrlUvOf2)
Cheers.
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Ash. Just checking before I buy the wrong thing again. Is this t-bar the correct head for the Genuine Honda casing screws.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/philips-screwdriver-t-bar-vessel-no-3-phillips-japanese-made-/321950795893?hash=item4af5c34875:g:I1YAAOSwmrlUvOf2 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/philips-screwdriver-t-bar-vessel-no-3-phillips-japanese-made-/321950795893?hash=item4af5c34875:g:I1YAAOSwmrlUvOf2)
Cheers.
I think it will be Roy because it's made in Japan. But I would ask the question just be sure. When I looked at the impact driver I got it's available with both JIS or Philips type bits, so as Bryan says you have to be careful.
http://www.vesseltools.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/jis-japanese-industrial-standard/view-all-products.html
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Excellent link to JIS information Ash - thanks for that. But where do you get them?
My impact driver takes 8mm hex bits so I would want Vessel set 431801.
I have contacted them to ask about delivery to the UK but another forum suggested their charges were a bit on the steep side.
I found a set of Vessel JIS/ISO bits on eBay but they are 1/4" hex fitting.
So, any suggestions for alternative suppliers of Vessel stuff.
Alternatively any suggestions for an impact driver ('hit with hammer' type) that takes 1/4" bits.
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Got one ordered Ash should be here tomorrow. Will let you know how it fits. Cheers.
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T-bar screwdriver has arrived and it fits the standard case screws perfectly. Thanks for the nod on that one Ash, it will be very useful.
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Have also ordered one, so only three left according to eBay listing.
Still no joy with impact driver bits. Any suggestions?