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Title: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: PatM on March 06, 2019, 02:26:52 PM
Hi- Has anyone had any problems with road tax and the 40-year Rule?
My 400/4 according to my log book was registered 1st in September 1978
However, I recived a V11 today to ask me to pay for road tax.
i called the DVLA and they said becuase their databse states my bike wasnt actually registered until December of 1978...? despite the log book suggesting differently, I have to go to a tax office and get a new log book?

Sound a load of beuracratic b**** to me, but has anyone else had simlar experience?
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Johnwebley on March 06, 2019, 02:31:54 PM
The phrase is "date of manufacture "
You may need a dating letter.But
You need to change taxation class to HISTORIC
you should be able to do this at P.O. counter

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Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: paul G on March 06, 2019, 03:00:28 PM
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.

I found it really simple at my local post office which does road tax she did it there and then and sent off my V5.
I read last night on the .gov web site that you don’t now have to apply for MOT exemption it automatically qualifies after 40 years.
Anyone else seen this.
My 400/4 is already registered tax exempt and the 550/4 becomes eligible in April
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 03:23:18 PM
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.

I found it really simple at my local post office which does road tax she did it there and then and sent off my V5.
I read last night on the .gov web site that you don’t now have to apply for MOT exemption it automatically qualifies after 40 years.
Anyone else seen this.
My 400/4 is already registered tax exempt and the 550/4 becomes eligible in April
It is very, very simple Paul. A lot of people are under the impression that the day their bike turns 40 years old from the date of reg or manufacture, it's entitled to be changed to historic with FOC tax. This is wrong. The bike actually has to be in its 41st year to qualify . The new date each year is April 1st each year. Only exception is if the bike was registered Jan 1st - 7th in its in it's 41st year, DVLA will change it the year before.
I  have another bike which still isn't entitled to Historic until April 1st this year and that's a 78 on an S reg. Letter from DVLA explaining all attached. This letter is dated May 18.

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Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Athame57 on March 06, 2019, 03:36:17 PM
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well.
Me too! At this rate they won't find the funds to fix Her Majesty's Potholes!
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: kevski on March 06, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.

I found it really simple at my local post office which does road tax she did it there and then and sent off my V5.
I read last night on the .gov web site that you don’t now have to apply for MOT exemption it automatically qualifies after 40 years.
Anyone else seen this.
My 400/4 is already registered tax exempt and the 550/4 becomes eligible in April
It is very, very simple Paul. A lot of people are under the impression that the day their bike turns 40 years old from the date of reg or manufacture, it's entitled to be changed to historic with FOC tax. This is wrong. The bike actually has to be in its 41st year to qualify . The new date each year is April 1st each year. Only exception is if the bike was registered Jan 1st - 7th in its in it's 41st year, DVLA will change it late the year before.
I  have another bike which still isn't entitled to Historic until April 1st this year and that's a 78 on an S reg. Letter from DVLA explaining all attached. This letter is dated May 18.

(Attachment Link)
Correct Julie, but a vehicle manufactured on the 31st of December 1978, starts its 41st year on the 1st of January 2019 not the first of April, the government needs to adopt the KISS method.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: paul G on March 06, 2019, 03:56:53 PM
Julie,
                  I understand the tax as I have already done the 400/4 last year.
It was the MOT thing I was reading where it stated that you did not have to apply for the MOT exemption it automatically qualified after the 40th year .
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 04:00:16 PM
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.

I found it really simple at my local post office which does road tax she did it there and then and sent off my V5.
I read last night on the .gov web site that you don’t now have to apply for MOT exemption it automatically qualifies after 40 years.
Anyone else seen this.
My 400/4 is already registered tax exempt and the 550/4 becomes eligible in April
It is very, very simple Paul. A lot of people are under the impression that the day their bike turns 40 years old from the date of reg or manufacture, it's entitled to be changed to historic with FOC tax. This is wrong. The bike actually has to be in its 41st year to qualify . The new date each year is April 1st each year. Only exception is if the bike was registered Jan 1st - 7th in its in it's 41st year, DVLA will change it late the year before.
I  have another bike which still isn't entitled to Historic until April 1st this year and that's a 78 on an S reg. Letter from DVLA explaining all attached. This letter is dated May 18.

(Attachment Link)
Correct Julie, but a vehicle manufactured on the 31st of December 1978, starts its 41st year on the 1st of January 2019 not the first of April, the government needs to adopt the KISS method.
HM Gov are there to confuse us and KISS will never come in to it. But, saying that, it sort of makes sense. On our 60th Birthday (for example) we are not fully 60 until day 365 when we have a 61st Birthday but we are in our 61st year throughout those previous 364 days. I think this is how DVLA worked it out.......there must have been a lot of women using women's logic in the decision making  ;D
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: paul G on March 06, 2019, 04:01:30 PM
Taken from the .gov website  :)

What you have to do

You must apply for a vehicle tax exemption to stop paying vehicle tax. This is sometimes called putting a vehicle into the ‘historic tax class’.

You do not have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle each year. However, you must still keep it in a roadworthy condition.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 04:03:52 PM
Julie,
                  I understand the tax as I have already done the 400/4 last year.
It was the MOT thing I was reading where it stated that you did not have to apply for the MOT exemption it automatically qualified after the 40th year .
I saw that too Paul. That makes sense now as before, the way the dates were set differently by two different gov depts, a vehicle could become MOT exempt on its 40th birthday but not Historic until many months later.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: paul G on March 06, 2019, 04:04:48 PM
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: blackeagles on March 06, 2019, 04:24:15 PM
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: blackeagles on March 06, 2019, 04:28:49 PM
my date of first reg is 13/09/1978 but the tax in only 'free' after 01/04/2019 as julie has already points out (i checked this with dvla).

if in any doubt just give them as call give them the reg no and they will check what date applies.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 04:36:16 PM
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)
You don't even have to fill in a V112 now as it is automatically knows that if the bike is old enough to be eligible to change the taxation class to historic, its old enough to be MOT exempt. Up until recently a V112 was needed to be completed but no any more.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: paul G on March 06, 2019, 04:39:26 PM
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)

Not any more automatic :D
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 04:49:41 PM
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)

Not any more automatic :D
They have made it all so simple for us now Paul.......what can I worry about now to keep me awake at night  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: PatM on March 06, 2019, 04:57:32 PM
Julie,
                  I understand the tax as I have already done the 400/4 last year.
It was the MOT thing I was reading where it stated that you did not have to apply for the MOT exemption it automatically qualified after the 40th year .

I agree with Paul on this- the MOT man said its probably the last MOT ill ned, but im not so sure..My bike is registered September '78

I went to PO, they were unsure, so wrote 'HISTORIC' tore of the bit, got me to sign the V5 and then couldnt input the request to change!! They told me to tax it for 6 months and come bacl, which will be in the 41st year and after April 1st. Fortunately its a rural PO and they are friendly- lord help anyone in a City where there are queues...(I was the only one in the Post-Office at the time)

We will see!

Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Davelu88 on March 06, 2019, 04:59:04 PM
What if your bike is Tax & Mot exempt but as we all being good citizens go to get an MOT for our piece of mind and it fails , is it still road legal as i dont need an MOT anyway or is is not road legal as its not road worthy , this is what keeps me awake at night Julie  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 04:59:46 PM
No more MOT's needed now Pat, unless you decide out of personal choice to have one done, as I do. Yes, these rural PO's are a little behind the times with their knowledge but, they do their best i suppose.
You will get a refund back for the Tax for the unused months after April 1st Pat.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 05:03:08 PM
What if your bike is Tax & Mot exempt but as we all being good citizens go to get an MOT for our piece of mind and it fails , is it still road legal as i dont need an MOT anyway or is is not road legal as its not road worthy , this is what keeps me awake at night Julie  ;D ;D
MOT was never an indication of 'road legal' other than on the day and time the MOT was done. It has always been the owner / riders responsibility to make sure it is safe and road worthy at all times Dave. If it fails an MOT and an MOT is not needed, it doesn't make any odds, it's still failed for whatever reason and you will have to sort out the defects as it is proof it is not safe and road worthy at that time.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Davelu88 on March 06, 2019, 05:07:33 PM
Thanks Julie i can sleep soundly now  ;D
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 05:11:32 PM
Thanks Julie i can sleep soundly now  ;D
From .Gov Dave
Quote
Some motorcycles of historical interest may be exempt from Statutory MOT testing. Such motorcycles must be over 40 years old and not substantially changed.

Owners of these motorcycles may still request a statutory test be conducted. In these circumstances, the test must be registered on the MOT testing service and carried out in the usual way, with the necessary documentation issued as appropriate.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: flatfour on March 06, 2019, 05:30:40 PM
I taxed the CB750 this morning (1972, registered in the historic vehicle class) and using the online service, there was a message displayed that said" "this vehicle may need an MOT". However, when I selected "continue" it said "checking MOT status" and the transaction immediately showed as successful.

Last year I did, as a precaution contact the insurance brokers to ask whether with the change in the law they would express any interest in whether a valid MOT existed in case of an accident and they said that they would follow legal guidelines and if an MOT was not required by law, they have no opinion either way as to whether a voluntary MOT should be undertaken.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Athame57 on March 06, 2019, 05:40:42 PM
Can I go to the post office and make my bike Historic registered right there on the computer or do i need to send forms off.  My bike would otherwise be dure for taxing on about 14th april....
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on March 06, 2019, 05:51:09 PM
Can I go to the post office and make my bike Historic registered right there on the computer or do i need to send forms off.  My bike would otherwise be dure for taxing on about 14th april....
Yes, post office change it to historic there and then and they will automatically tax it for 12 months free of charge, no forms to send off. But, if it's not insured, don't forget to SORN  it straight away, otherwise you will get a stroppy letter from the MIB.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: PatM on March 06, 2019, 06:02:09 PM
Can I go to the post office and make my bike Historic registered right there on the computer or do i need to send forms off.  My bike would otherwise be dure for taxing on about 14th april....
Yes, post office change it to historic there and then and they will automatically tax it for 12 months free of charge, no forms to send off. But, if it's not insured, don't forget to SORN  it straight away, otherwise you will get a stroppy letter from the MIB.

The PO will send off the form for you and leave you with the last part- They could do mine as it coupldnt be entered as Historic- they just wrote HISTORIC on section 7. I had called the DVLA this morning (as 2 tax reminders arrived) and after the obligatory 20 minute-wait, I was told to take the form to the PO...They also said my bike wasnt registered officially with them until December '78, which didnt accord with my Log book- which stated September '78. So, i can only assume that Dealers were up to the same tricks back then of pre-registering bikes before they were sold? i don't know, as theres no way I could have AFFORDED a BN bike in '78 as I was a young lift engineer and I had just got married!
The whole MOT thing is a separate issue that has gathered some steam above. My last MOT in Sept 18 was a failure- cracked front tyre, which I didn’t spot- it took some finding as the tread was a-plenty. I had the discussion with the Tester as I knew the 40-year-old thing was upon me in my favour.. He said that some come back every year, regardless. For me, still at work, MOTs and that malarkey always come around when I’m too busy to get one due to work and bad-planning. Ive 4 cars and 3 bikes that all need them, I’ve one that’s overdue, but I can’t be arsed to take my R1 out in this weather and on salty roads as its been mine since new. (Y-reg) So, I note others see the MOT as a 3rd set of eyes and Ill probably do the same. The Road-tax thing is just a principal- my RRS tax also arrived today which is £550. £68 is small-beans  for the 400/4 
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Athame57 on March 06, 2019, 07:46:47 PM
£68 is small-beans  for the 400/4 
LOL! Not if you've been nearly bankrupted this past year getting one up to her standard now.  ;D ...and I've got my expensive sister coming over from Germany visiting for a week!
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: blackeagles on March 07, 2019, 10:04:33 AM
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)

true, but there is always the niggle in the back of my mind "what if it didn't happen automatically" so i have always filled one out and keep it with the registration docs for any 'historic' vehicle i have had. 
You don't even have to fill in a V112 now as it is automatically knows that if the bike is old enough to be eligible to change the taxation class to historic, its old enough to be MOT exempt. Up until recently a V112 was needed to be completed but no any more.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: blackeagles on March 07, 2019, 10:10:29 AM
Julie,
                  I understand the tax as I have already done the 400/4 last year.
It was the MOT thing I was reading where it stated that you did not have to apply for the MOT exemption it automatically qualified after the 40th year .

I agree with Paul on this- the MOT man said its probably the last MOT ill ned, but im not so sure..My bike is registered September '78

I went to PO, they were unsure, so wrote 'HISTORIC' tore of the bit, got me to sign the V5 and then couldnt input the request to change!! They told me to tax it for 6 months and come bacl, which will be in the 41st year and after April 1st. Fortunately its a rural PO and they are friendly- lord help anyone in a City where there are queues...(I was the only one in the Post-Office at the time)

We will see!

'cos it not 'historic' until 1st april 2019 (like mine) - i can't say i followed the dvla explanation but i think it's something to do with the 'old' system of applicable dates that were used way back with the paper based system (rather like they can't/won't issue a tax by the day which with an electronic system would be easy to do but they rather stick with the old 'first of the month' system)
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Athame57 on March 07, 2019, 10:20:13 AM
......it's so they can screw one last year of road tax out of us. ;) Imagine if they tried to celebrate the new millenium on 1st January 2001?
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: blackeagles on March 07, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
 :o i couldn't possibly comment!
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: H2Eric on March 07, 2019, 10:34:22 AM
I believe the 1st April thing is to do with the Budget.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: davefirestorm on March 10, 2019, 12:52:21 PM
I had a run in with a jobsworth at DVLA,one of my bikes was 1registwred January 1st 1978 but it was on file that it was manufactured on December 1st 1978 obviously a mistake someone had entered wrong date.Jobsworth wouldn’t budge but I sorted it eventually and got it registered last year as a Historic Vehicle,as stated you HAVE to take V5 to post office to get Historic status and you’ll get it After 1st April year it qualifies
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: cooleronthecoast on January 01, 2020, 12:41:08 PM
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread, but rather than start a new one I thought I'd post my query here.  My CB550 was first registered in March 1979.  I encountered a similar jobsworth to Dave (mebbe the same one!) when I rang the DVLA at that time who said my bike wouldn't qualify for historic status until the beginning of 2020.   

So here we are on New Years day 2020 and I'm wondering what I have to do re the V5?  I looked on the DVLA website and tried to tax my bike for free this morning, but they still wanted £66 off me.  However it did say their records indicated my bike was now over 40 years old and if it hadn't been significantly modified since new I would no longer need to MOT it.

Back in March, jobsworth did tell me that come 2020 if I wrote the word HISTORIC in the Tax class of section 7 of the V5 and send it back to Swansea they would issue me with a new V5 confirming the Historic status, then presumably I could go tot eh Post Office and tax it for free

My question is,  do I just send the V5 to Swansea as jobsworth said or do I take it to a Post office and they will do it for me?   
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Bryanj on January 01, 2020, 01:03:10 PM
Photocopy it and do it at a post office DVLA loose too much
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: orcadian on January 01, 2020, 01:08:38 PM
Not wishing to put a damper on things when we have just celebrated New Year but having had the same problem with 4 or 5 other bikes which ‘came of age’ over recent years, I believe that ‘jobsworth’ neglected to say that your bike will not qualify for free VED until after April 2020.  Yes, it’s over 40 years old now and technically doesn’t need an MOT.  It’s probably not worth jumping through the dating cert hoops just to save a few quid on VED.  You can try a friendly Post Office but when they scan the V5c it will probably blow it out for Historic anyway.  I wouldn’t send it to DVLA - they have a habit of, er, misplacing stuff.  The Post office will send it for you for free when you eventually  tax it.

Ian
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Bob a on January 01, 2020, 01:34:34 PM
Hi- Has anyone had any problems with road tax and the 40-year Rule?
My 400/4 according to my log book was registered 1st in September 1978
However, I recived a V11 today to ask me to pay for road tax.
i called the DVLA and they said becuase their databse states my bike wasnt actually registered until December of 1978...? despite the log book suggesting differently, I have to go to a tax office and get a new log book?

Sound a load of beuracratic b**** to me, but has anyone else had simlar experience?
My cb550 is registered and manufactured  1st January 1978 according to the v5. In may 2018 I tried to get it registered historic and they told me their data base said December 1978 and cos of that it was not 40 year old. Even although the v5 from them said 1st January 1978.  This was an arguement I was not going to win. So I decided to wait until may 2019. Then the process went through smoothly.  I share your pain.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: cliff7 on January 01, 2020, 02:38:08 PM
My bike registered 2nd August 1978. I acquired it on 11th November 2019 and went t P.O. on12th. They taxed it (free) there and then and sent off for new V5 registered as historic. No insurance proof needed! Suggest a good Post Office can sort it.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 01, 2020, 03:04:59 PM
It has to be 40 years old on December 31st of the given year for it to qualify for historic status the following April 1st. For example, if it was registered Sept 79, it qualifies but because it can only be done on or from 1st April, it has to be done in April 2020. Even if it was registered in February 1979, you still have to wait until 1st April 2020 to change it to historic. The only allowance you get is if it was registered within the 1st 7 days of the year, DVLA will allow it to go historic in that April. I have changed about 11 bikes to historic now, done instantly at my little local post office. I cocked up on only 1, I tried to change it a year early 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Bryanj on January 01, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
Insurance is checked on the database automatically even at post office so no paper proof needed
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 01, 2020, 04:00:15 PM
Insurance is checked on the database automatically even at post office so no paper proof needed
Yes Bryan, they check for insurance or SORN but it's not checked for quite a few weeks. You can tax it (FOC) without it being insured on that day. One of ours that I changed to historic was not insured as off the road for  a few months and I forgot to SORN it when the insurance expired. 6 weeks after changing it to Historic and being taxed automatically in the process (FOC) I received a very nasty letter from the Motor Industry Bureau threatening me with a £1000 fine. I learnt my lesson then, if its not insured, it has to be SORN and if its not SORN it has to be insured.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: cooleronthecoast on January 01, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
So forgive me for being a bit slow on the uptake, but if I understand correctly in my bikes case, I could tax it today, but it would not be free until after 1st April but I don't need to worry about getting it MOT'd anymore?
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 01, 2020, 04:30:38 PM
So forgive me for being a bit slow on the uptake, but if I understand correctly in my bikes case, I could tax it today, but it would not be free until after 1st April but I don't need to worry about getting it MOT'd anymore?
If it's not registered as historic, some interpret the regs that that means it still needs an MOT. Other people interpret it that it doesn't need an MOT. I personally see it that the regs imply that as soon as it hits its 40th birthday, it is now MOT exempt. If DVLA and DVSA had communicated when all these changes were being discussed, it would have made life easier. If you do tax it today, you will get a refund of any unused tax when you register it as historic on 1st April.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: cooleronthecoast on January 01, 2020, 04:38:01 PM
Thanks Julie, Being a tight Yorkshire git,  I'll probably leave it until April before I bother taxing it. 

I doubt I'd have ridden it much between now and then anyway unless we have a heatwave in March.  Its insured and currently SORNed.  I still haven't got around to riding the Triumph Thruxton I bought last month due to the crap weather and shit on the roads.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 01, 2020, 04:50:40 PM
Thanks Julie, Being a tight Yorkshire git,  I'll probably leave it until April before I bother taxing it. 

I doubt I'd have ridden it much between now and then anyway unless we have a heatwave in March.  Its insured and currently SORNed.  I still haven't got around to riding the Triumph Thruxton I bought last month due to the crap weather and shit on the roads.
That makes sense. Just take the log book to the Post Office on or after April 1st, just fill in the box ' change of taxation class' to 'historic' , give it to the post mistress and bobs your uncle, done instantly on the spot. You don't even need to fill in a V112 'MOT exemption form now as it's all done automatically.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: cooleronthecoast on January 12, 2020, 12:09:14 PM
Just a thought. Being first registered for the road in 1979, I reckon my bike was a new old stock purchase.  Didn't Honda stop making all CB550 models in 1978?   

Is there any way of deciphering the build date from the engine/frame numbers?
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 12, 2020, 12:14:43 PM
Yes, yours could be old stock late registered. But it's not really late as if you think how long it took to come from Japan, it is probably correct. You can find out from Honda UK when the bike was manufactured but that costs about £35 and you being a tight Yorkshire git 🤗 even though if you could prove it was manufactured before Jan 79, by the time you find all that out, it will be April 1st and FOC tax. So unless you want to find out just for your own inquisitiveness, I wouldn't bother.
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: cooleronthecoast on January 12, 2020, 12:33:40 PM
Good point Julie.  :)
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Athame57 on January 13, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
Do we still have to go to the post office annually to maintain historic status like we were paying road tax,or is it goodbye PO?
Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Johnwebley on January 13, 2020, 08:15:37 PM
Good bye PO.

as long as it is insured.

Renew your free tax online

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Title: Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
Post by: Nurse Julie on January 13, 2020, 10:16:32 PM
I love it... Its the simplest process DVLA have ever introduced. Just renew it yearly on line... Simples 😁😁😁
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