Author Topic: CB550f2 carb return spring  (Read 1991 times)

Offline andy120t

  • SOHC Pro
  • Posts: 884
    • View Profile
CB550f2 carb return spring
« on: July 04, 2022, 04:41:24 PM »
Carbs are PD,a on a 550f2 engine. I'm missing the carb return spring which shuts the carbs when the throttle is released and wondering if anyone has a spare ( or anything vaguely similar..as all the old hardware sources I used to know have vanished). It's approx 80 mms long.

Picture below to show the type of spring it is.
It's part 5 on the parts diagram.
(I assume the taper makes it easier to hold open at lower revs).

Thanks for any help...I'm not sure my elastic band replacement will last much longer, but at least the postman keeps leaving me plenty on the drive.
Andy

andy120t

CB550f/k
Zephyr 550
ZX6R G1
GSXR 7/11 - I need to sell it
Triumph 5TA - and this..

Offline Nurse Julie

  • 1977 CB550/4 Mongrel Brat. 1974 UK 500/4 K1. Honda CD250u.
  • Grogu
  • *
  • Posts: 8465
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2022, 04:59:43 PM »
Are you sure they're PD's 🤔🤔🤔🤔PD's on an F2, wow someone was brave swapping to them from the standard F2 Keihin.
LINK TO MY EBAY PAGE. As many of you know already, I give 10% discount and do post at cost to forum members if you PM me direct.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/julies9731/m.html?item=165142672569&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562

LINK TO MY CB400/4 ENGINE STRIP / ASSESSMENT AND REBUILD...NOW COMPLETE
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,14049.msg112691/topicseen.html#new

Offline andy120t

  • SOHC Pro
  • Posts: 884
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2022, 06:43:17 PM »
These things...they say PD on the side. And they say keihin ..
andy120t

CB550f/k
Zephyr 550
ZX6R G1
GSXR 7/11 - I need to sell it
Triumph 5TA - and this..

Offline Nurse Julie

  • 1977 CB550/4 Mongrel Brat. 1974 UK 500/4 K1. Honda CD250u.
  • Grogu
  • *
  • Posts: 8465
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2022, 06:49:24 PM »
These things...they say PD on the side. And they say keihin ..
Yes, they are the notorious and dreaded PD's fitted to the 550 K3 as standard. They are not correct for the F2, they should be Keihin 069a's as standard. That also probably means that all the associated gubbins are incorrect.
Edit.... I know you know your bikes but is it definitely a 550F2 and not a K3? The VIN number will tell all.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2022, 06:53:27 PM by Nurse Julie »
LINK TO MY EBAY PAGE. As many of you know already, I give 10% discount and do post at cost to forum members if you PM me direct.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/julies9731/m.html?item=165142672569&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562

LINK TO MY CB400/4 ENGINE STRIP / ASSESSMENT AND REBUILD...NOW COMPLETE
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,14049.msg112691/topicseen.html#new

Offline Seabeowner

  • SOHC Master
  • Posts: 1037
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2022, 06:59:17 PM »
Yes unusual. The earlier carbs are much easier to get on with. The diagram you show is not the carbs you have.
Pds on the 550s had two different spring versions.
Spring 5 here:
https://images.cmsnl.com/img/partslists/honda-cb550k3-four-england-carburetor_bigma000085e17_0650.gif

And the spring on the shaft 19 here: (which may be only some US imports)
https://images.cmsnl.com/img/partslists/honda-cb550k-1978-usa-carburetor-78_bighu0056e4318_74a0.gif

Phil
1971  CB500K0  Candy Jade Green or Candy Gold
1973  CB500K1  Candy Ruby Red
1975  CB550F1   Shiny Orange
1978  CB550K     Excel Black

Offline andy120t

  • SOHC Pro
  • Posts: 884
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2022, 07:54:00 PM »
The carbs I have are then the ones in the first of those links, with the spring as item 5 - so what I would call a normal spring, and not wrapped  around the shaft. I would fit any spring to it for now, as I'm just getting the engine running, but I don't have anything lying around that even begins to fit.

andy120t

CB550f/k
Zephyr 550
ZX6R G1
GSXR 7/11 - I need to sell it
Triumph 5TA - and this..

Offline Bryanj

  • Grogu
  • *
  • Posts: 11355
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2022, 07:58:34 PM »
If im awake long enough tomorrow i will look in my gash carb box, just need to get counciling before i touch pd parts

Offline Oddjob

  • SOHC Jedi
  • Posts: 4296
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2022, 08:56:15 PM »
Has your swinging arm got removable blocks right on the end where the wheel spindle is? K3 has them, F2 does not.

I do have a NOS return spring as pictured but as it's been said it's for the 500/550F carbs not the PD version.
Kids in a the back seat cause accidents.
Accidents in the back seat cause kids.

Offline andy120t

  • SOHC Pro
  • Posts: 884
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2022, 10:19:13 AM »
Thanks all!  For a but more background, it's a bit of a bitsa, which makes it more challenging to identify what I need. Frame is a K3, but the swingarm doesn't have removable blocks so probably didn't come out of the factory connected to this frame. The 550 engine and carbs came together from a breaker - the frame they came out of had the RHS footpeg on the frame / above the footpeg so I think that is the F frame.

Inspired by posting this, as it helps give me a kick to find things, I sorted out another box of nuts bolts etc and found a spring that will do the job but the wire seems a little thinner than the original, so I'm not sure how long it will last. Bryan, if you do have anything that looks correct please let me know.

Interesting point on the carbs then is that when I bought new cables, I couldn't get the 'throttle close' cable to fit, so I currently only have the open cable fitted - but if PD carbs are incorrect for the bike then that may explain why the second cable is too short...  I hadn't considered that the carbs weren't correct for the engine but it's omething else to look into.
andy120t

CB550f/k
Zephyr 550
ZX6R G1
GSXR 7/11 - I need to sell it
Triumph 5TA - and this..

Offline Bryanj

  • Grogu
  • *
  • Posts: 11355
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2022, 09:34:44 PM »
I have found a spring in a bag of pd bits you can have for postage, if you want a pic send me your email.
Any other bits?

Offline andy120t

  • SOHC Pro
  • Posts: 884
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2022, 08:13:54 AM »
Thanks - I've sent a pm with email details!
andy120t

CB550f/k
Zephyr 550
ZX6R G1
GSXR 7/11 - I need to sell it
Triumph 5TA - and this..

Offline andy120t

  • SOHC Pro
  • Posts: 884
    • View Profile
Re: CB550f2 carb return spring
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2022, 07:56:43 AM »
I’m having problems with email, so I’ve pm’d again!
andy120t

CB550f/k
Zephyr 550
ZX6R G1
GSXR 7/11 - I need to sell it
Triumph 5TA - and this..

 

SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal