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Floppy rear footrests.
« on: November 06, 2023, 02:34:03 PM »
Is there an easy fix for floppy footrest when in the upright position?
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2023, 03:05:05 PM »
New rubbers sometimes fix it but not always, they are the "springs" that push the big washer down

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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2023, 03:45:19 PM »
Check the pins Ted, sometimes due to lack of grease etc, especially as Honda seemed to have not lubricated any of the pins, like the seat pins for instance, they wear quite badly. Sometimes they elongate the hole, in which case drill out 1/4" and fit 1/4" stainless pins, readily available on Ebay. The rubbers also go rock hard and that means less spring as Bryan says. Check the riders footrests as well, those can slope down when flat, again maybe new pins but if not a blob of weld on the heel can make them sit flat again, nothing worse for me than my feet feeling like they are sliding off the pegs. I seem to recall I also drilled the riders footrest, fitted 3/8" stainless pins as the holes weren't exactly round anymore.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2023, 04:47:11 PM »
You could fit extra washers, I cut some out from a black plastic oil canister.
Tightens the footrest pegs up a bit and gives a nice smooth action, plus won't wear the paint off the footrest brackets.

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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2023, 04:59:47 PM »
Check the pins Ted, sometimes due to lack of grease etc, especially as Honda seemed to have not lubricated any of the pins, like the seat pins for instance, they wear quite badly. Sometimes they elongate the hole, in which case drill out 1/4" and fit 1/4" stainless pins, readily available on Ebay. The rubbers also go rock hard and that means less spring as Bryan says. Check the riders footrests as well, those can slope down when flat, again maybe new pins but if not a blob of weld on the heel can make them sit flat again, nothing worse for me than my feet feeling like they are sliding off the pegs. I seem to recall I also drilled the riders footrest, fitted 3/8" stainless pins as the holes weren't exactly round anymore.

The rear rubbers still slide on the newly painted footrests plus new SS Clevis Pins. The front riders footrests are OK.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2023, 05:01:34 PM »
You could fit extra washers, I cut some out from a black plastic oil canister.
Tightens the footrest pegs up a bit and gives a nice smooth action, plus won't wear the paint off the footrest brackets.

Good luck

Skoti

I did try a spring clip on one side - I will try a SS washer - oddly enough my 400 ones did not have this issue.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2023, 07:21:36 PM »
What I think he means is to cut some washers out of black plastic and fit them under the steel washer that sits at the bottom of the rubber.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2023, 06:55:20 AM »
Ah so not making the pivot part stiif but putting more pressure from the rubbers to push down.

Cause being old plastic going hard with age then.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2023, 02:15:53 PM »
As Skoti says, being plastic it should protect the new paintwork better as well. The metal washers tend to rub the paintwork off the corners of the bracket, especially if the paint is soft like spray paint, takes a bit longer with powder coat. Might try this myself, maybe make the metal washer out of plastic instead.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2023, 09:47:23 PM »
I had one of my 350 rear footrest that was 'floppy'. The floppy footrest had a shorter rubber by a few mm (no idea why - from another model?). I put a suitable o ring on the steel footrest between the square section rubber and the square section washer to make up the difference. It was hardly noticable visually as it just looks part of the footrest rubber. Stiffened up the action a treat
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2023, 07:11:37 AM »
Like the o ring idea! Good way to use some of that bigger thick o rings in that kits that’s unlikely to be used for anything else. I remember too once applying a very light smearing or silicon grease to help the rubber slide a bit too underneath the rubber.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2023, 07:15:21 AM »
The O ring idea sounds a neat solution.👍
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2023, 01:36:40 PM »
I prefer the plastic washer solution myself but can see the appeal of the oring.

The reason I prefer the plastic washer was it would also protect the new paintwork which the oring solution wouldn't do. Nothing worse for me than damaging new paintwork when you've gone to all that trouble to do it.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2023, 01:59:15 PM »
I prefer the plastic washer solution myself but an see the appeal of the oring.

The reason I prefer the plastic washer was it would also protect the new paintwork which the oring solution wouldn't do. Nothing worse for me than damaging new paintwork when you've gone to all that trouble to do it.
Yes indeed Ken! Inevitably the corners of the brackets lose their paint.
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Re: Floppy rear footrests.
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2023, 07:43:11 AM »
Would a plastic washer work for a floppy kick start too? It's a bit different I suppose as it doesn't have the rubber footrest, but might help squeeze it all together.
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