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AshimotoK0:

--- Quote from: MrDavo on September 06, 2017, 02:40:20 PM ---I was a bit puzzled as to how there could be a 'crease' in the filler, but on closer inspection I think its a bad edge to a repair patch. I still find it incredidble that someone would think this OK, given that paint quality is all in the preperation, and wonder what sort of blemish would have been showing through before the bubble came up.

Anyhoo, after reading recommendations on here and other forums, I'm toying with the idea of using a specialist bike painter who has done candy before, rather than finding out the hard way whether my local chap is any good at it. Everyone thinks Andy Parnaby's jobs are the dog's danglies, and I don't mind paying a bit more to have it right the first time, especially after the fun and games I had trying to get a side panel done in candy blue green to a reasonable standard locally (3 different painters, the first of which was me, even then it wasn't perfect with dust in the laquer that had to be polished out). He seems to have moved to Wetherby since Ash and others used him in Tockwith, but I found a 2017 number and email for him on a Triumph triple forum.
 
I still don't know how you would paint candy without a sample to match for shade, but hje should have a better idea than my local car body shop of what we are after.

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Andrew is still in Tockwith next to John Wyatt's place  at Marston Moor Ind. Estate...I messaged him only last week about painting my CD125 frame in candy red. His number is on my old phone. His home is in Tadcaster though. ..I will dig it out for you as I always talk on Facebook messenger now (just search Andrew Parnaby on FB and his icon picture is a wall clock). I split my paint between him and Menno but like Trigger says Menno's interior cleaning is superb. In all honesty I would recommend both for candy paint and price wise (even post #@%$), there is not a lot in it. Disagree that Andrew's prep isn't up to scratch ..it's just that Menno wins out on the interior prep ..so make sure that your tank in squeaky clean inside if you go to Andy.

MrDavo:
Menno would be a long drive for me, Tockwith is only an hour or so away by car. The tank has been lined inside as I said, so that isn't a worry for me. The kit I got from eBay has vinyl tank stripes, but if he could get better results painting them they don't have to be used, I can always sell them on.

I have a mobile number and an email for Andrew, but I'll wait till I've had time to take the headlamp and ears off the bike, which means front wheel off and drop the forks, as well as undoing all the spaghetti in the headlamp. I might take the opportunity to fit decent japanese connectors rather than the red Halfords rubbish thats in there now, I have a saved link from this forum for a US supplier.

Last night I got the badges and hardwear off the tank and sidepanels, no real problems. I may be more nervous refitting the tank cap and latch when there is soft new paint everywhere.

totty:
I wouldn't trust an old unknown liner, if it leaks or lifts then it risks damaging your nice new paintwork. A small leak can produce blisters like the one you started with.

I'd take the opportunity to remove it if possible and to braze any holes it may be sealing. I've had both petseal and POR15 liners fail, in my opinion they're a last resort to use only when necessary.

AshimotoK0:

--- Quote from: totty on September 07, 2017, 04:35:07 PM ---I wouldn't trust an old unknown liner, if it leaks or lifts then it risks damaging your nice new paintwork. A small leak can produce blisters like the one you started with.

I'd take the opportunity to remove it if possible and to braze any holes it may be sealing. I've had both petseal and POR15 liners fail, in my opinion they're a last resort to use only when necessary.

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I think Andrew used to use Flowliner www.flowliner.co.uk/ for bad tanks ..or cuts them open, blasts then re-welds. He probably uses Flowliner  as they are not far from him and he knows them. Personally I would agree and go back to bare metal wherever possible ....  Got to admit that if I have a tank with internal corrosion I would be swaying towards Menno and his cleaning process... Delivery of my 500 tank and panels with ample insurance to Germany, last year, was about 16 quid from memory. Andrew insists on painting the 750 stripes on and won't use transfers, I guess Menno may do the same. My 750K0 tank deffo had painted on stripes from new. I am not  sure what was used on K1's onwards though. Graham will know.

MrDavo:
All looks well, but....

Peering in with a torch, there is a small black patch on the nearside base, everything else is matt light grey, so yes, the lining is dodgy.  >:( Its only a small patch but any is enough to FUBAR the new paint.

So, if I use AP it definitely wants doing, Flowliner sounds good to me.

If I could send it to Germany, will Menno reline it after the acid process?, I assume that would strip the old liner OK, if somewhat messily. Photos of his work look excellent, however the thought of packing my tank, panels, ears and headlamp bowl in a box to a good enough standard fills me with dread, but it didn't put off Ash packing and posting me a CB750 crank, something I wouldn't have even known where to begin with.

On balance, delivery to and from Yorkshire in the back of my car still seems a better bet for me.

A question for Graham, when you saw the bike at Crich, you reckoned my tank stripes weren't quite in the right place, can you remember why not? I'd rather have them painted on, but can provide the painer with the vinyl ones and measurements supplied as a guide, I don't want him just replicating what's on there now in a different colour if it isn't right (ive always thought the silver lining a bit iffy anyway, though Hondaman's book says its OK for a 'new factory' late K1). Photos if it helps:

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